Arsons And Wick Park - Monday, November 23

[Youngstownshrimp]

So what should the owner of the building do?   Their options, 2K for demo, 5K for deconstruction, $20K for rehab.?   Or abandon the building and stop investing in Youngstown.  Bingo!  this is what everyone is doing not investing in Youngstown so the value of a house is now lower than a third world nation.  I'm not being sarcastic here, this is the reality of our town, we have made it so that no astute investor will invest in housing.   I am not even mentioning the security aspect of owning property, I believe it was Ciciro or Plato who wrote if a city cannot protect it's assets, it is the demise of the city.

You can use the analogy for anything  else, manufaturing clothes, TV's, cars, etc.   Whether right or wrong, redtape and politics have reduced us to unable to compete, socialism is the only answer.

[northside lurker]

The $2000 demolition doesn't really do anything with the asbestos.  It's still there when the demolition is done.  That might be OK, (not really) until someone wants to use the land again. (not to mention all the other material - hazardous or not - that will still be there, too)

[Youngstownshrimp]

Steve Novotney, just informed me that the two houses deconstructed had to go thru an EPA inspection, one had asbestos and needed to be abated.  If abatement let's say cost $5000 , why would one deconstruct when demolition only cost $2000?

[iwasthere]

ytownshrimp deconstruction has been a success in other parts of the country why not ytown?

[Youngstownshrimp]

Well, here is an update or obstruction, whatever you want to call it.

I just returned from a meeting with the city demolition department.  No deconstruction can proceed without an Ohio EPA asbestos inspection and removal.  This will make deconstruction not cost effective and landfills can fill up with more waste.  So now the good people of the northside can continue to bulldoze our way to progress.

I tried, but the walls seem too tall for us shrimps to climb.  I'll just go back to digging more ponds.  I already acquiesced with the OEPA on shrimp farming.

[woozle]

I will give you the golf clap "BrineShrimp".... Don't break your arm.. Shouldn't you save the siding for when scrap goes Up?? and will you be selecting any trees to recycle as well??

I personally think Deconstruction is a wonderful Idea..

The Woozle

[Elmo-Ytown]

Why are you always trying to argue with people? Half of the posts on this board have turned into negative arguments since you joined. If you're doing good things, great, if other people aren't, ok. Feel free to tell us what you're up to and leave everyone else and their effort or lack of effort alone. Thanks.

[Youngstownshrimp]

1000 Bryson

Talked to D'Avignon this morning about what permits are needed for deconstruction, he says the Nevel's Temple needs to see Jeannie at Bldg.  He also stated that since the buildings are to be deconstructed privately without Federal money, an historic commitee review is not required.  I will ask Rev. Nevels to secure the permits tomorrow.

The first part of the decon process will be to remove the alluminum siding on 139 Park before crack heads steal it and the landlord gets hauled into court.  A nonprofit in Poland is interested in two of the greek revival porch pediments (Bryson) to be rebuilt as a concession building.

So "Weasel" , I guess I'm patting myself on the back again and a made some PERSONAL gain today, dah...Oh, and the good congregation of Nevels Temple bought the buildings just to let them rot.  What a bunch of backwards people who aren't even proud of their real insignificant names.

[AllanY2525]

Atek,

Which apartment building are you referring to?  Behind which one of the churches?

[woozle]

atech101, Your 100% right we do need to work together to revive our neighborhoods, but here is the catch. Youngstown has alot of people like Shrimp that have bought up property and let them Rot away to nothing.. I feel they too are part of the problem not the solution.. He is so busy trying to pat himself on the back, it just makes me sick.. and I had to voice my opinion.

                                                                                      The Woozle

[atek101]

Hold on here folks! There's no reason to make things personal here. We need to work together if we want to see results in our neighborhood.

I think the churches need to be involved in this discussion. They are stakeholders in this neighborhood and they have an invested interest in seeing the neighborhood improve.

The neighborhood association has made it a priority to see the big historic homes around the park that Van Sickle owns get secured and re-used, rather than demolished. However, the apartment building behind the church is in deplorable condition and should probably be demolished. If we bring the churches together as part of this ongoing neighborhood planning discussion, we can collaborate to find a solution that works best for everyone with an invested interest in seeing the revival of the neighborhood.

[woozle]

"Chill Out Dirty Water" , the congregation is trying to do something.  That's why Lincoln labelled the naysayers "The Do Nothing Party", like you they did nothing but vomit excrement.  It's funny that you would never reveal your biography and are not proud of your name.  Is it because your life is a wasted mediocre life span of a flea?  Come on, grace us with your accomplishments, prove to us and show us you are truly concerned about your community.  Take off the mask and back your words up, otherwise we are tired of your words without action.

Shrimp you grew a pair Eh?? I don't post too much here, but I did read somewhere that you were outed on the board about a week or so ago right?? So now you seem to be mad about this?? As far as I'm concerned Shrimp... You have no room to talk about anything here.. You talk about the do nothing party... Let's talk about the Do anything for personal gain Party... that would be you sir..

[Youngstownshrimp]

"Chill Out Dirty Water" , the congregation is trying to do something.  That's why Lincoln labelled the naysayers "The Do Nothing Party", like you they did nothing but vomit excrement.  It's funny that you would never reveal your biography and are not proud of your name.  Is it because your life is a wasted mediocre life span of a flea?  Come on, grace us with your accomplishments, prove to us and show us you are truly concerned about your community.  Take off the mask and back your words up, otherwise we are tired of your words without action.

[Youngstownshrimp]

I just spoke with Rev. Nevel of Nevel's Temple on Elm street.  His congregation is proceeding to request the tax certs' from the private holders, their interest is to secure the Illinois (Van Sickle) property for parking. Although the the other properties will be included, Nevel's Temple will offer 264 Broadway if successful, to any investor capable of restoring the mansion for the legal fees incurred.

Although this strategy was outlined in this post, there has been no feedback from the parties concerned, therefore, Nevel's Temple does not expect any conflict to their approach.

[iwasthere]

ytownshrimp when i come home from vacation and off location in a few weeks i will give you a list of my talents and skills for the northside's renaissance.