Tax Day - April 15

[Rick Rowlands]

We don't know the full story, so its difficult to make a judgment about what happened.  But the man could have been charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace etc. if that is what he was doing.

[iwasthere]

iwasthere wasn't there so you cannot blame me. could the hackler be tim ryan?

[Why?Town]

I read this in the Business Journal this morning and thought it to be quite interesting considering that I don't consider myself particularly up to speed with any particular political agenda and most of what I do hear is extremists from both sides.

Rick I understand the point you want to make is in the first sentence of the last paragraph, "Behavior at the rally was orderly and polite."


The rest of the paragraph though, has me asking more questions than it answers. "One exception was a man at the back of the audience who shouted a vulgar insult at Traficant.  Traficant supporters led him to a Canfield police car where he was temporarily detained."

Is shouting a vulgar insult against the law? How could Trafficant supporters lead the man to the police car? Did he go willingly or did they use force? Did these supporters actually put the man in the squad car or did they just ask the police to do it for them? Would the police detain my neighbor for yelling obcenities at me if I asked? How about if I asked nicely? Were the Traficant supporters actually the Canfield Police themselves? On duty or off? Were they maybe hired security? Hired thugs?

And finally, Does the man post on this messageboard? If so can we take bets on who it was?

[Rick Rowlands]

Pay particular attention to the last paragraph.  Peaceful, orderly protest is a hallmark of the TEA Party!


Tea Partiers Fear for Future of U.S.
Jim Traficant calls for the abolishment of the IRS at Tax Day event.
April 16, 2010 6:48 a.m.
By Dennis LaRue
CANFIELD, Ohio -- So much is wrong in America, so many Americans have been wronged by their government, that speakers at the Tri-County Tea Party rally Thursday weren't sure where to begin on how to get the ship of state back on course.

The rally, attended by some 600 including many Republican officeholders, Republicans running for Congress, and Republican Party officials, especially from Columbiana County, assailed President Obama and U.S. Reps. Tim Ryan, D-17 Ohio, and Charlie Wilson, D-6 Ohio. Obama, Ryan and Wilson were attacked by name and the Democratic Party and its congressional leadership in general.

Among their offenses were passing health care insurance reform, raising taxes, imposing higher taxes on small businesses, allowing the national debt to grow, the imbalance of foreign trade and allowing free trade pacts to continue, tolerating illegal immigrants in this country, prosecuting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, allowing the surpluses in the Social Security trust fund to disappear, cap and trade, and a failure to rein in spending on pork.

Some, such as the chairman of the Columbiana County Republican Party, David Johnson, allowed that his party had some complicity in making the mess the country finds itself in. Johnson emphasized he was speaking as a private citizen and as president of Summitville Tile, not as party chairman.

In the audience was the vice chairman of the Mahoning County Republican Party, Mark Munroe, recognized by the president of the Tri-County Tea Party, Anita Fraser, for his support.

Speaking as a "private citizen," Johnson launched the strongest attacks on Obama, Ryan and Wilson for acquiescing in the runaway federal spending and their votes for health care reform, which he said adds yet another burden on the owners of small businesses.

To help reduce the growing deficits, Johnson warned that the Democrats in Congress will work to adopt a value-added tax, or VAT, which much of Western Europe has in place. Such a "national sales tax will make us less competitive" in world markets, he fears. "Obama tax legislation will tax us to death," he asserted.

Johnson is also opposed to cap-and-trade as a solution to global warming where companies that emit pollutants buy the privilege of emitting more than their share of carbon dioxide and other air pollutants from companies that don't use theirs. "It's part of the global warming hoax," Johnson declared, "and that's what it is, a hoax."

The master of ceremonies was Dan Rivers, a talk-show host on WKBN-AM Radio, which carried much of the 1½-hour rally live. (Also on hand with their remote-location trucks were WFMJ-TV and WKBN-TV.)

Rivers made no pretense of being neutral or disinterested. "Maybe some of those sanctimonious talk-show hosts" critical of the Tea Party should become more familiar with those in the movement, Rivers suggested, and opined The New York Times erred in describing most in the movement as "40 and over and angry."

His counter: "I think most of us are happy" and went on to praise the United States for its generosity to other nations and willingness to shoulder the defense burden of the Free World.

Rivers' chief concern is the "currency crisis" he sees coming, that is, that rampant inflation is not that far off. "I'm an unlikely person to be in politics," he told the audience on the green in the center of the downtown, "but God bless those who do political work."

Dan Moadus of Girard, a Democrat challenging U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan in the May primary and a small-business owner, was upset at the level of government spending. Moadus, owner of American Auto Painting in Warren, suggested "why runaway spending can't be stopped. Most of it makes sense," he elaborated, citing stimulus spending to help V&M Star build its new pipe mill where "$25 million will create 400 jobs. That's $50,000 a job."

His counter: "Give me $300,000 and I'll create six jobs." But, he noted, "We're local. We're not from France."

Moadus claims to not have benefited from the stimulus spending, the $787 billion appropriated in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act passed in February 2009. He's felt "no ripple effects," he said, and criticized Tim Ryan for directing funding that helps only a few small businesses.

"Our politicians are bribing us with our money and charging it to our children and grandchildren. And that's got to stop," he concluded.

An Air Force veteran, Bill Johnson, and a Republican seeking the seat in Congress Ryan holds, sounded a theme on the placards some in the audience held, variations of "Throw all the incumbents out and start over," such as, "We will remember in November" beneath photos of Ryan and Wilson.

"You can do that by voting them out in November and stop their spending spree," Johnson announced.

"Don't you think it's evident we need new leadership in Washington," he began.

"Irresponsible government has consequences," Johnson continued, and emphasized there's difference between government "handouts" and "hand ups."

"Most government programs are handouts," Johnson stated, "not hand ups," implying any government spending he votes for will be for hand ups.

"We need a Ronald Reagan type of leadership back in Washington," he said to cheers.

"Today business is being strangled by unfair mandates," Johnson asserted. "President Obama is taking us perilously far from the Constitution." He did not explain how.

Donald Allen, a veterinarian seeking the Republican nomination in the 6th Congressional district of Ohio, sounded similar themes. With passage of health insurance reform, Obama "has driven our country to socialism," Allen charged.

From that point, he asked, "When has government ever run anything efficiently and saved money?"

He lamented, "Our entitlement attitude is bankrupting our country."

As Allen sees it, America's fall from economic supremacy "essentially began when Congress began tariff removals and [entered] free-trade agreements."

His solution: America must return to the wisdom of its founding fathers and the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

The owner of a tanning salon, Larry Eberle, did a riff on the injustice of the 10% tax imposed on such salons as part of the Obama Administration's tax restructuring in the health care reform act. The tax, Eberle fears, will put him and thousands of other salons across the nation out of business within a year.

The $200 million he says the tax is projected to generate annually is unlikely to be realized because people will stop using them because they're too expensive

Offering no basis in fact, Eberle claimed, "Using a tanning salon is no different than going outside in the sun."

His advice to the audience, "Health care reform [means you'd] better grab your wallet."

The featured speaker was former U.S. Rep. James Traficant whose concern is that the astronomical sums the United States is spending could well result in this country's implosion just as the former Soviet Union collapsed from within.

As he has many times before, Traficant called for repeal of the 16th Amendment and abolition of the IRS. Giving Karl Marx undeserved credit, Traficant claimed Marx gave birth to the concept of a progressive income tax, which the former congressman said "is a stone-cold Communist program."

Traficant's solution to the unfair tax system: Replace the income tax with 25% retail sales tax and do away with all income taxes including those on interest earned on bank accounts, on dividends and capital gains.

Denying he is a protectionist -- as do most in the Tea Party movement -- Traficant called for "reciprocal trade barriers," that is, a tit-for-tat trade policy. If country X imposes a 10% tariff on widgets made in the United States, this country should impose a 10% tariff on the widgets that country makes and exports here.

Behavior at the rally was orderly and polite. One exception was a man at the back of the audience who shouted a vulgar insult at Traficant. Traficant supporters led him to a Canfield police car where he was temporarily detained.

Copyright 2010 The Business Journal, Youngstown, Ohio.

[jay]

There is a Candidates' Night on Monday, April 19 at New Bethel Baptist Church.  I hope that all citizens interested in better government would take the time to attend and learn more about the candidates running for office in the May 4 primary.

[ytowner]

41% of Tea Party members are either Democrats or Independents, according to a new national survey and The Hill. The findings provide one of the most detailed portraits to date of the grassroots movement that started last year. The Winston Group conducted three national telephone surveys of 1,000 registered voters between December and February. Of those polled, 17 percent – more than 500 people — said they were "part of the Tea Party movement." The national breakdown of the Tea Party composition is 57 percent Republican, 28 percent Independent and 13 percent Democratic, according to three national polls by the Winston Group. Two-thirds of the group call themselves conservative, 26 are moderate and 8 percent say they are liberal.

[irishbobcat]

TEA PARTY FOLKS ARE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!

[Rick Rowlands]

Poll: Tea Partyers Wealthier, More Educated Than Most
Thursday, 15 Apr 2010 11:25 AM
By: Dan Weil

Those who think of tea party members as a bunch of country bumpkins will have to think again.
Tea partyers are better educated and wealthier than their brethren citizens, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll.
Of the 18 percent of poll respondents who identified themselves as tea partyers, 20 percent said their household income totals $100,000 or more per year. That compares to 14 percent for respondents overall.
Tea party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45. Their opinions are more conservative on a host of issues than Republicans as a whole.
A majority 54 percent of tea partyers have a favorable view of Republicans compared to 43 percent unfavorable. A whopping 92 percent have an unfavorable view of Democrats.
Tea party members call themselves "angry" with Washington, while Republicans label themselves "dissatisfied."
Tea partyers give President Obama only a 7 percent approval rating. A mere 6 percent see the country moving in the right direction. The economy is the major problem facing the country, they say.

Read the rest of the story at The New York Times


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[irishbobcat]

Tea Partiers Are Republicans
The latest New York Times/CBS News Poll has taken a national poll of the Tea Partiers.
These Tea Partiers appear to be angry, white, Republican men.

NYTimes:

(p. 35)

94. Think about past elections in which you have voted, includingnational and statewide elections. Would you say you always voteRepublican, usually vote Republican, vote about equally for bothparties, usually vote Democratic, or always vote Democratic?Tea PartiersAlways Republican......18%....Usually Republican.....48%....(Note: 66% always or usually vote Republican)

95. Which one of the following television networks do youwatch most for information about politics and current events— ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX News Channel, MSNBC, or don'tyou watch television news?Tea Partiers...Fox News Channel....63%...Clearly, these Tea Partiers are the sheeple of Fox News. How embarrassing!

[irishbobcat]

Home of Ultra-Right Wing Conservative Republicans!!!!!!

Dan Moadus was scheduled to speak there.....that SAYS IT ALL!!!!!!

[Rick Rowlands]

Yes I am thinking of attending the rally.  I hope nobody on this forum has bought into the propaganda that the TEA party is a right wing extremist group.  I hope you all know what it is really about.

[iwasthere]

to all concern:

there is going to be a TEA PARTY tomorrow on the greens in canfield from 6pm - 8pm. see ya all there.

[jay]

April 15 is tax day.

Don't forget to file your income taxes by midnight.