The Green Party on Labor and Employment

[Youngstownshrimp]

No, just trying to prove people need to back up what they claim knowledge about.

[Elmo-Ytown]

What's that tooting sound? Oh ya, it's Shrimp and Dennis on their own horns....

[Youngstownshrimp]

Very good Bobby!  Yes, the unloading of the Manor building onto the county freed up some liability from Struthers and the building was recycled in a way.

However, being green, is to conserve cost and energy.  passing the buck from one public entity(Struthers) to another public entity (county) still is sucking up taxpayer funds no matter who is writing the check.  Let's concentrate on making green things without being subsidized by the public trough at all. 

Here's an old example, in 1990, a group of investors and I moved and recycled all the houses that were in the way of route 60 in PA.  One of the houses was historic and the others were affordable, they are all occupied today and we used no handout from any government.  Housemoving, the largest recycling project practiced today.

[irishbobcat]

I got the Struthers Board to rent the old Manor Ave School to the County ESC ...who now uses the space for classrooms for early childrhood intervention classes. They also now pay for all the utlities that come with the buidling, saving the district over 30,000 dollars a year in utility costs when we had to heat and upkeep an unused building for years.

[Youngstownshrimp]

Both, as far as accomplishments, how about something close to your base.  You are having your green meeting at the Pig Iron Press (Frankle Brother Cigar bldg.).  I restored 50% of the Frankle home on the northside back when it was bank owned and boarded up, probably when you still lived in your parents house.  Okay, your turn.

[irishbobcat]

shrimp. does your business operate in  rich conservative neighborhood or in the inner city?
and, anytime, any place.....

[Youngstownshrimp]

I gather in this post that Irishbobcat is an educator, if so, I am not impressed at all.  I wonder where he teaches?  I also wonder if he teaches the youth of today his warped ideology.  His deducing that I live in a rich conservative neighborhood, is insight into his mental state, wherein any opposition to his dogma is automatically identified by being extreme right and a capitalist.  Dennis, I live on the Northside.

Unlike Towntalk, I do not believe that freedom of speech allows anyone to voice an uneducated opinion.  This is the problem today with our country, everyone is an expert on everything and qualified at nothing.  Notice Dennis, he  pretends to be an advocate for the green revolution, I've done more green endeavors accidentally than he has intentionally.  If you dissagree Dennis, let's meet and show each other accomplishments, Okay? 

[irishbobcat]

THE SENILITY PRAYER :

Grant me the senility to forget the people
I never liked anyway,
The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and
The eyesight to tell the difference.

[Towntalk]

To equate conservites to Nazi's is the very hight of ignorence.

Conservatives do not kill those on a list of enemies (Jews, homosexuals, Slovaks, Polish etc.).

Conservitives do not use slave labor.

The inegma of Nazism is unmatched in human history and has no place in this or any other debate.

Even the crimes committed by the North Koreans do not match the crimes of Nazi Germany. Only the Soviet Union of all the worlds dictatorships match the crimes of Hitler and his crowd.

If you were to speak of genocide, the Democratic Party has blood pouring off its hands in torrents over the abortion issue, and that is a fact proven every day as Democrats fight to keep abortion legal.

Does this make Democrats Nazi like? Certainly not. Not all Democrats support abortion just as not all Germans supported Hitler, or not all Russians supported Stalin.

As an educator, and as an American you should recognize that the strength of this country is that all of us, regardless of our political affiliation have the right granted to us under the Constitution to our own views, and can not be forced to adhere to one view dictated to us by any man or political ideology.

As I've said before, I respect you as an individual and a fellow citizen, and while I may not agree with you on issues I would defend your right to them, but when you go off the reserve, I will call you on it.

[irishbobcat]

Then ask shrimp to testify to the fact that all poor people are lazy.....that's a broad general
statement as well.....

Oh...conservatives are closer to Nazi's then Greens......philosophy speaking......get those facts right as
well........

[Towntalk]

Sweeping generalizations that have no basis in fact. Ask Dennis to prove it in a court of law and he would not be able to, and in point of fact his statement would be stricken from the record.

A Nazi propaganda statement said that tell the people a lie long enough and they'll come to believe it.

Now I'm not suggesting that Dennis is a Nazi, but I am suggesting that he knows that his statement about all Republicans are rich is dead wrong, as dead wrong as suggesting that all Democrats are poor.

Now if Dennis is suggesting that Shrimp is living in a wealthy gated community surrounded by wealthy Republicans, that would be another matter.

Does Dennis know what the political affiliations Shrimps neighbors are, I seriously doubt it, so even here, his statement is wrong.

[sfc_oliver]

Why is it that so many of the supposedly educated people in this world believe that all conservatives are rich?

[irishbobcat]

shrimp, we already have people who are living in the streets, and use their pants for a toliet.....


what part of America are you living in? Oh, I Know,,,, rich conservative America.....DUH!!!!!!!

[Youngstownshrimp]

[quote

Forcing welfare recipients to accept jobs that pay wages below a livable income ("a living wage") drives wages down and exploits workers for private profit at public expense. We reject "workfare" as a form of slave labor for the private or public enterprise.
[/quote]  Slave labor?  who is the slave,  the welfare recipient who is entitled to free housing, heat, electric, food, clothing and medical?  Or the working stiff who punches the clock and has taxes taken from him to keep the so called "poor" housed?  We have no poor here, we have nothing but lazy, spoiled and intentionally uneducated people , whose ranks are growing.  No, I'll show you the "poor" in third world countries who have cardboard for shelter and a ditch to defacate in.

[Rick Rowlands]

Ron, I was thinking the exact same thing the other day.  Socialism is such a destructive force, as it provides disincentives to people like you and I to strive for something greater, and provides a crutch for people such as irishbobcat, who feel that some of his needs should be provided by others.  Humans are hardwired with a desire to improve his or her lives. Socialism short circuits that wiring. 

We have seen over and over again what idle people do.  Just look at this very city at the people who are committing the majority of the crimes.  Do these people have good jobs? No.  Are these people attempting to improve their lot in life? No.  These criminals most likely obtain some form of government subsidy whether in the form of payments or housing, and use their idle time to destroy.   Contrast that to us greedy capitalists.  You have, in the pursuit of profit, provided a bulk food store in service to your fellow man, and next year will provide thousands of pounds of shrimp to feed your fellow man.  You will make a profit, people such as me who provide services or goods to you will make a profit, restaurants will make a profit, and the end users will enjoy good meals.  This is basic Capitalism 101 and everyone is a winner.  Irishbobcat, rusty river and iwasthere just can't seem to grasp how this seems to work.  They believe that for you to make a profit somewhere along the line someone has to get screwed.  (Well OK, the shrimp don't make out very well, but without you they wouldn't have lived in the first place!)

Everyone needs to understand that a job is not a right, it is a contractual relationship between a business owner who is trying to sell a product, but doesn't have the ability to do all the work himself, and another person who is interested in performing those tasks in exchange for money.  This is employment broken down to its basic form. The employee-employer relationship has become so convoluted over the years that employees now feel that employment is a right.