Sidewalk Obstruction Or Not

kenneyjoe330 · September 13, 2008, 10:19:13 PM

SORRY I at my age I can not move on

However being FORCED TO I can and suppose I will have to MOVE AROUND

Rick Rowlands · August 29, 2008, 01:26:11 PM

I walked down this sidewalk yesterday. After seeing it in person I have now realized that some of you will complain about anything. Get over it and lets MOVE ON!

northside lurker · August 19, 2008, 06:56:10 AM

I don't think the planter is a problem. It only looks close because of the angle of the picture. Jay is right that the narrowest part is between the fence and trees. But, there seems to be enough space to be ADA accessible.

Elmo-Ytown · August 18, 2008, 10:17:45 PM

It's hard to tell how close the planter is to the space between the tree and the fence corner. If it's within 4-5 feet I would recommend moving it closer to where Jay took his picture.

Also, I note from the picture that the sidewalk looks a little sunk under the planter, hard to tell without looking in person. If it is, then would the sidewalk need repaired if the planter was moved?

jay · August 18, 2008, 10:12:45 PM

The planter could easily be moved if one had a forklift or some other construction vehicle.

The narrow part of the sidewalk is the space between the fence and the trees.

People walking together usually walk side by side. I guess that when a couple walking east meets a couple walking west one or both parties will have to go single file.

kenneyjoe330 · August 18, 2008, 10:02:22 PM

Well to little ol me it would seem obvious "the controlling" party in this situation is the owner of the restaurant - seeing that it wouldn't have to be moved if he didn't put the fence up. The "City Officials" gave him permission and certainly they knew the planter was "where it is" and if it were against the any rules or regulations it would have been moved. Isn't THAT correct?

Elmo-Ytown · August 18, 2008, 08:50:54 PM

Ok then.... So, who needs to be contacted about having the planter moved a few feet?

kenneyjoe330 · August 18, 2008, 08:44:09 PM

PEOPLE - PEOPLE - GET A GRIP
My Lady Mary K. - yes I have been "around"! Barcelona Spain in particular is one of the most beautiful cities I have even had the pleasure of being in and enjoying it's WIDE streets and even WIDER walkways lined with aged Sycamores and a cafe here and there. One of my most pleasurable memories is drinking Cognac with friends after dinner at an outdoor cafe in Corfu Greece. I enjoy outdoor dining as much as the next person - maybe even more so since I truly love being outdoors and am not keen on air conditioning. I hate to say this BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM TALING ABOUT ! ! ! I have enjoyed dinning at the Cedars also and having Eggplant that I know was pick from one of the many Eggplants right in the garden. The Cedars CHOSE to do this to THEIR OWN PROPERTY - they could have put in "customer parking" but they DIDN'T! ! !
I can see BW3 doing this in front of the Stambaugh Building because they have a much larger space between the building and the street. The restaurant in the parking deck on East Boardman also has an outdoor dinning area. I AM TALKING ABOUT ENCROACHMENT. I AM TALKING ABOUT R-E-S-P-E-C-T FOR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND COMMON GOOD. Sorry I am not talking about aesthetes nor you desire for European outdoor dining here in Youngstown Ohio. I am talking about someone who HAS "TAKEN OVER HALF THE SIDEWALK" . Let me put this another way - he is relatively a short distance from the corner. Why doesn't he just knock down the building next to him and be like the Cedars and he can have a nice place there?

Ohhhhh someone OWNS THAT BUILDING! ! ! NO ONE OWNS THE SIDEWALK and I am sure NO ONE minds that he "takes permanent possesion of IT after all this is DOWNTOWN YOUNGSTOWN and NO ONE doesn't even USE the sidewalk - well ya know what Marie A would say "Let'em walk in the street.
The reason I was told that the permanent fence was put up was so that alcohol could be served with it the fenced boundary - someting to do with "Conceal Carry" Gun Law.
Thank you for reading my ranting ! ! !

Elmo-Ytown · August 18, 2008, 01:55:31 PM

Proper accordance with state law? What?

Defend Youngstown · August 18, 2008, 11:11:28 AM

Rosetta Stone Cafe wanted to build an outdoor patio so that they could serve food and drinks in proper accordance with State of Ohio law. They passed through the proper channels in City Hall (i.e. Design Review, Zoning, etc) which approved the expansion. They are current working with the Ohio Dept of Liquor Control for expansion of their liquor permit.

PK

Towntalk · August 17, 2008, 09:50:26 AM

Didn't Lums Steak House have outdoor seating when they were downtown? I know that they whipped up some of the best meals in town bar none, and their service was great even at rush hours. Those were the good old days.

northside lurker · August 17, 2008, 09:50:14 AM

Cedars' dining area is very nice. But the owners of Rosetta Stone obviously don't have that kind of vacant land available to them.

jay · August 17, 2008, 08:23:30 AM

I like the outdoor dining area at the Cedars. All of the seating is located on their own property.

ForumManager · August 16, 2008, 10:37:23 PM

It doesn't look like an obstruction but it might feel friendlier to passers by without the fence.
I tried a sandwich when they were at the Pig Iron Street fest. Thought it was ok. I am impressed with the fact that have free meeting rooms if you buy food.

Elmo-Ytown · August 16, 2008, 11:48:35 AM

It definitely makes the place more noticeable. The first time I went looking for it, I went right past it twice.

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