New To Central Square

[Towntalk]

Not everyone who is "Pro-Life" is a conservative, nor do all "Pro-Lifer" folks condone murder or bombing any more that all "Green" folks condone destroying the private property of those they disagree with. Thank God most on both sides while disagreeing on issues are not extremists.

[irishbobcat]

Sarge, You will never change my mind on this position.....

And I will never change yours....

So let it be.....

[Towntalk]

Turning on th hydrents serves a duel purpose one of which is to flush the hydrents out. YFD comes around every so often to turn them on for a short time for that very purpose.

[sfc_oliver]

So why would the city fathers go out of their way to deny some "comfort" items to people?

Funny how the mayor will take a barrel and a tent away from some protestors but during the summer

he has no problem opening up fire hydrants so some kids can get comfort during a heat wave....

What is the difference there?

Why don't you attend the next city council meeting and ask your questions. I'm sure they will be happy to answer you. We've tried to explain that the law is the law but for some reason you don't think it should count  for the left.......

[irishbobcat]

So why would the city fathers go out of their way to deny some "comfort" items to people?

Funny how the mayor will take a barrel and a tent away from some protestors but during the summer

he has no problem opening up fire hydrants so some kids can get comfort during a heat wave....

What is the difference there?

[sfc_oliver]

Funny, It seems to me that the neo-cons on the right never have a problem
changing the rules so it benefits them.....

Like Kasich wanting SB 5.....

SB5 was overturned in a legal vote. The people spoke and were listened to, all within the law. I don't know about you Dennis, but I took an oath of service to the constitution of the United States. I still believe in that oath, no matter how much you want me not to.

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

[Towntalk]

I'm still confused, how is taking away a burn barrel a denial of free speech.

Did the cops make any arrests? No!

Did the Mayor order them off city property? No!

Are they allowed to carry their signs? Yes!

Are they allowed to speak to passers by about why they're there? Yes!

Are they allowed unhampered access to the press? Yes!

The items were removed Friday — Veterans Day — and in the early morning, when only four members were present.
"Why did he pick Veterans Day to take away our free speech?" O'Toole said.
Again, how is taking away a barrel denial of free speech?
They said that Councilwoman Annie Gillam actually had the first burn barrel delivered to the site, but do we know for an absolute certenty that this was true?

It seems to me that the only thing that the city is denying them is creature comfort.

As to unions using burn barrels and lawn chairs without city permission, I can agree with Dennis to a point. The one thing that unions also have that the OY's don't is a strike headquarters where strikers can go for food, rest and shelter, usually a storefront that the union rents for that purpose.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/nov/13/burn-barrels-will-return-occupy-youngsto/

How can you equate a steel barrel with free speech?

[irishbobcat]

Funny, It seems to me that the neo-cons on the right never have a problem
changing the rules so it benefits them.....

Like Kasich wanting SB 5.....

[sfc_oliver]

Now why would you want to lie about me like that?

If anyone breaks the law I expect them to be treated the same way as the next person.

Erecting a tent on the city square is obviously against the city ordinances. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I will defend their right to free speech to the death. But they have to play by the rules the same as everyone else....

It's not my fault the left thinks the rules should change for them. Thankfully there is a mayor in Youngstown who doesn't enforce the law the way the left would want him to.

[irishbobcat]

Sarge, Again, if the Tea Party set up a tent you would be supporting them 100 percent......

You would oppose the police from taking their items......

You only support "government action" if it is against liberal ideas and values.....

[sfc_oliver]

And I am sure Sarge would pull out a firearm to defend the Tea Party
downtown if the police came to take their tent.....

No Dennis, the only violence reported has been at OWs protests, not Tea Parties....... In fact 2 people were killed and one committed suicide at Ows protests in the last day or so. Not to mention the drug busts and the muggings, robberies, and rapes..........

I will defend any Americans right to free speech. But you don't understand that.......

[sfc_oliver]

I don't think the 5 people could have blocked that sidewalk on Central Square even if they were arm to arm.  It is obvious from the photo that the people walking north had no problem navigating the sidewalk.

Don't take my post wrong now, they were respectful of the people celebrating Veterans Day. My point was that I didn't see any type of meeting going on....

I really have no problem with them protesting. I think they are rather hilarious actually. Like the 20K that they deposited into a bank they were protesting against. But they still have to play by the rules..........

[irishbobcat]

And I am sure Sarge would pull out a firearm to defend the Tea Party
downtown if the police came to take their tent.....

[jay]

This was taken just about noon when they said they were having a meeting. All 5 of them?

I don't think the 5 people could have blocked that sidewalk on Central Square even if they were arm to arm.  It is obvious from the photo that the people walking north had no problem navigating the sidewalk.

[sfc_oliver]

I can only wonder if Dennis would feel the same way if it had been the Tea party.

My bet is he would have been leading the police to them.......