Like a thief in the night, the MVOC silently organizes the community they want local control of. Since their conception and morphing from ACORN and a leader from their ranks in Washington, more power is sought.
What is behind this FrackFree occupy Youngstown mission? Local control. Of course they decry the municipal government, any government not of their own. Their state is nirvana, a citizens tribunal again with local control. Listen to their language, inclusive, fair hiring, by the people, socialism.
They know they cannot survive without energy, this is not really what they fight, it is power they seek. Lately, their nirvana Youngstown was turned upside down for them, just when they had control of the occupying youth, downtown Youngstown, defend Youngstown....... oil and gas was discovered.
Oh nooooo!!!! the capitalist pigs and free enterprise will send their armies and reclaim this once great industrial town. Where will we go? What will happen to us community organizers?
Frackfree Youngstown is a dying last ditch battle cry of the community organizing socialist. It is their last great chance to stop the global energy companies from taking back the great Youngstown. Their drive is futile. The new generation seeking real jobs see the blessings that is energy. They undersatnd the science and advance technology that is now in their grasp. The youth will no longer join the occupiers, they no longer will defend Youngstown, they are what they always were, what Youngstown is, industrialist!
Mayoral candidates tell MVOC forum they DO NOT support the Anti-Fracking charter amendment ... Jamael Tito Brown and John A. McNally IV ... said NO to it, and those in attendance cheered.
TV interviews
Stan Boney interview with Jamael Tito Brown
http://www.wkbn.com/2013/04/29/youngstown-mayoral-race-jamael-tito-brown/ (http://www.wkbn.com/2013/04/29/youngstown-mayoral-race-jamael-tito-brown/)
Stan Boney interview with John McNally
http://www.wkbn.com/2013/04/29/youngstown-mayoral-race-john-mcnally/ (http://www.wkbn.com/2013/04/29/youngstown-mayoral-race-john-mcnally/)
To those of you who oppose the charter amendment, you should be happy it is on the ballot because it helped bring in money for political ads.
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/586818/Frack-issue-attracts-spending.html?nav=5021 (http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/586818/Frack-issue-attracts-spending.html?nav=5021)
For the most part, the wealthier people have left the City of Youngstown and are not coming back. This is probably why the Youngstown Club closed and the republican party can't even find a single candidate to run for any office in the upcoming primary election. As expected, Youngstown will be governed by those who remain.
I was informed the large cheers against the charter Amendment came from members of the pipefitters union (many who don't LIVE in Youngstown) who are pouring big campaign bucks into the election. Seems the newspaper forgot to mention this fact that the anti-charter people packed the meeting.
What is your source that the pipefitters do not live in Youngstown?
From a source who knows some of the pipefitters personally and that they do not reside in the city of Youngstown.
V&M Star pipefitters pay large income taxes in Youngstown, they are pissed that the Fractivist are screwing with their jobs, so are the plumbers in Youngstown. Be prepared for some head knocking over this communist tail trying to wag the "BIG" dog.
Head knocking? So are you saying the pipefitters will resort to violence to influence this election process? Do we not live in a democracy? Is this America or the former Soviet Union? China? North Korea? Iran?
Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on April 30, 2013, 07:30:33 AM
What is your source that the pipefitters do not live in Youngstown?
The fact that they are Pipefitters (employed) should be enough. ;)
Regardless of who cheered or not it is besides the question. There were ONLY 200 that found time to attend the forum at all and this doesn't say much for Youngstown voters and even LESS for those that support the amendment. These forums should be packed with the supporters, BUT THEY AREN'T which says very little about them and their leadership. No doubt they will come up with all sorts of excuses, BUT excuses don't cut it. IF THEY COULD FIND TIME TO PROTEST ON THE SQUARE, THEY COULD FIND TIME TO ATTEND THESE FORUMS AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.
It's not just in Youngstown. Voter apathy is rampant. Check out this Tribune Chronicle story:
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/585556/Voters-can-make-a-difference.html (http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/585556/Voters-can-make-a-difference.html)
Billy, what that tells me is that the pro charter amendments group doesn't have the support that it would have us believe it has.
Voter apathy is not anything new Billy whether it's here in Youngstown, or Warren or Tinbucktu. The only time we generate good turnouts is in Presidential elections, and in the others, we're luckey to have a 40% turnout especially in the Primaries. This has been true in all the elections that I've voted in since 1960.
You may be right. We'll see on electon day. Apaprently the pro-frackers thought they did otherwise Bertas and Humphries would not have united nor would the pipefitters union throw in $58,000 to have the measure defeated.
You go to Beiersdorfers FB and it is so dead, my cat has more action.
The charter will fail by a landslide.
The MVOC, GREENPEACE and the OCCUPIERS seem know Youngstown maybe a lost cause for their socialist nirvana because free enterprise is back with Major Product......OIL.
Got one of those Voice papers in the mail today, just like I said, the MVOC is supporting the charter.
Funny I noticed Phil Kidd writes for the MVOC, so Youngstown Nation is an extension of the ACORN group MVOC?
ytown shrimp what is your pt about mvoc supporting the ban, no big deal.
The MVOC is a nonprofit, are not nonprofits required to be non political?
Are not churches non-profit? Should not the pastor I saw on TV a few weeks ago who came out against the charter amendment be non-political as well?
What about the Chamber of Commerce ? Are they nonprofit and are they not against this amendment and voiced this opposition ?
non profits can endorse an issue but they cannot endorse a person for an elected position.
Good point gentlemen.
So when the MVOC was busing people to the polls to vote and I'm sure influencing took place, is this crossing the line?
ytown shrimp be a bus monitor.
There are numerous types of non profit organizations. A 501 (c) 3 is prohibited from endorsing candidates or parties but may support or oppose issues, within limits. A 501 (c) 4 organization does not have the same limitations.
If these political action committees would make it their goal to directly help those in need instead of raising money to lobby for laws or candidates, they would actually start making a difference. Why is it that every solution now has to involve government? Can we not get together to tackle a problem ourselves anymore?
Quote from: Rick Rowlands on May 05, 2013, 09:46:35 AM
There are numerous types of non profit organizations. A 501 (c) 3 is prohibited from endorsing candidates or parties but may support or oppose issues, within limits. A 501 (c) 4 organization does not have the same limitations.
If these political action committees would make it their goal to directly help those in need instead of raising money to lobby for laws or candidates, they would actually start making a difference. Why is it that every solution now has to involve government? Can we not get together to tackle a problem ourselves anymore?
Thank you for the very short non profit organizations information.
I am very sorry to say I can not understand you last statement and two questions. The more I read those last few lines the more confused I get and the funnier they appear. Perhaps our definition of words and phrases are different. It seems to me you want people to give their money to charity rather than to politicians who may legislate money to those who need it. I would bet that this would exclude people who already have money and wish to give it to politicians who may legislate in favor of them making more money ;D Perhaps you can enlighten me with your good definition of a "political action committee". I sure that would clear things up nicely. :laugh: Every solution now has to involve goverment --- I can not speak for you but as for myself --- for some reason I consider my little ol self part of da goverment :o I alway think of myself as one of the wee people in We The People ! ! ! 8) As far as I am conserned Civilized People - which I think we ourselves are civilized people - get together and form a goverment to tackle problems. Which brings us full circle to nonprofits - of course governed by goverment ;)
Seems people in Boston didn't have a problem when the government (police, FBI, etc.) found the bombing suspects within a week.
What is your point?