The Occupy Youngstown group now has a shelter erected on Central Square.
Is it legal it camp on Youngstown Central Square?
:) Did they get a building permit, and does their cottage meet building code? Are they going to be held to the same standards that home owner are required to meet so far as trash etc.? ;D
Today the Youngstown Police Chief ordered that all materials be removed from the Occupy Youngstown site on Central Square.
Good for him. Though it really doesn't matter, as far as I know they were not really bothering anyone. I do wonder if they will still be there during the Veterans Day Ceremony tomorrow though....
Again, free speech and the right to assemble is thrown under the bus......
Thank you chief.....thank you for suppressing the rights of the poor.....
Some people believe that free speech gives them the right to interfere with the rights of others. I don't know the local laws and ordinances in Youngstown about having permits for protests and all that. But I do know that Youngstown has some. And if these people have overstepped their bounds then it is time for them to pack up..... Of course since the Veterans do have to walk right through that area tomorrow the chief may be simply stopping a confrontation..... Who knows?
At least in the photo posted with this thread, no one was blocking the sidewalk on Central Square. Also, the sidewalk continues around the back of the flower bed. No one from OY was on the sidewalk between the flower bed and the bank building.
I didn't hear of any confrontation between those veterans at the Laying of the Roses event and the Occupy Youngstown group. Both were on Central Square at the same time last Sunday.
Oh get off it Dennis. These are not poor people. These are useful idiots egged on by the likes of John Russo and union thugs. They don't know what they are protesting, and how much damage it would do to themselves if they got what they want. These people are incapable of independent thought, it is all groupthink going on at the occupy protests.
Rick, please stick it up your A@#.....
Do you have the income tax forms of everyone down there who protests?
Do you know everything? Seems like you know very little......
Again, the poors right to protest and assemble is being trampled......
I'm sure if the Tea Party folks were doing this you would see nothing wrong with it......
Again, you are such as A#$.....
Dennis, I'm confused, the protesters are not being stopped from protesting ... they're free to protest till the cows come home, all that the city wants is for them to get rid of the tent and barrel and clean up their stuff. How's that interfering with their free speech rights. If you had a neighbor who was violating Struthers building codes, you'd be the first to complain if it did harm to your property values. If I were to litter the street or city property I'd be held responsible, and honestly I'd expect to be before a judge, and ordered to pay a fine.
I'd have more respect for them if they demonstrated as much respect for others as they demand for themselves, and that includes respect for tax payer property.
A question: Aside from instigating the protest in the first place, just what are the folks at the Lemon Grove doing to support the protesters? Who is supplying the protesters with food for example? Are the folks at the Lemon Grove supplying the protesters with food?
During the "Laying of the Roses" Ceremony the protesters were well behaved and stayed on the south west corner, While the ceremony was on the Northwest corner. I really have no complaints over their behavior. But I do think they are unsightly, and full of bull......
As I said I'm sure the city has laws which they must confirm to. And Dennis, I will still stand up and defend their right to free speech. No matter how dumb it makes them sound........
I agree with all those here who defend and support the right to freedom of speech,
even though it may be unpopular to many of us.
I also think they should clean up their sh*t from Central Square.... this interferes
with the use and enjoyment of others and they did not get permission from the
city to use public lands as a camping spot for their protests.
I'm glad to see reports that their overall behavior has been good, and that they
respected the laying of the roses event and were not a disruption to it - this tells
me that these folks, however misguided they may be, are showing some character
that contains a modicum of common decency.
:/
I returned from the Veterans Day Ceremony about 90 minutes ago. And first let me tell you it was a wonderful ceremony. Veterans from every group you can think of showed up. The Marine League Honor guard was on the mark as usual, and the ROTC Color Guard from YSU was Sharp as a tack.
The 5 member of OWs that I saw stayed on the side of the street, and only after the Marines stepped out into the street to Fire the 21 gun salute did they step forward.
I don't know if it's appropriate or inappropriate that one of them had a sign about ending the war during a Veterans Day Ceremony............ Just not something I really want to think too much about..........
But the tent, table, and canopies are gone...................
Cops Confiscate Occupy Youngstown Tent, Barrels
http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/local/story/Cops-Confiscate-Occupy-Youngstown-Tent-Barrels/914jY-71Lk-fLecdmFSGGA.cspx
"I think we're just going to try and put the stuff back up like right now, like again, and just let them come in again because we don't feel like we're in the wrong," Badgett said.
Bill Youngman, Organizer of "Occupy Youngstown".
Jacob Harver, co-organizer for "Occupy Youngstown"
State Rep. Bob Hagan, who said he's been involved with planning the event from the very beginning.
Members of Occupy Youngstown met Sunday night behind closed doors at The Lemon Grove Café to finalize their plans for the event.
Towntalk and Allen:
Have you been down to the site? I have.....it is neat and clean.....there is no crap or
$hit they have thrown about......
How are they interfering with the quality of enjoyment of downtown?
How is their tent and barrel harming the property values of downtown?
There site is clean.....a lot cleaner than some of the outside sidewalks in front of some
businesses downtown......Heck,we have volunteers, people who live downtown and
across the city, who come downtown on a daily basis and sweep up the litter, papers, bottles,
and cans in front of some of these "established" businesses. Heck, I even found a bullet on the sidewalk
in front of one business during the summer.....
And why can't the protesters use taxpayer property? Are they not taxpayers? Are they not citizens?
I guess during the Great Depression folks like towntalk and allen would have destroyed and killed all the folks
who created "Hooverville" shacks in Washington DC during the depression....because it was something that you folks considered
an eyesore.....
Yes, again, the rights of the poor to protest are met with ridicule....they are told to pack up......
yet you folks have no problem when big business and corporations use lobbyists to protest Congress
so big business and corporations can "be heard" and have actions taken to allow them to make more profit
and put more money into the overly-rich CEO's that run the show.....
Protesters in other cities may have caused damage and problems in there cities......and they should be dealt with.....
The protesters in downtown Youngstown have not.....they are peaceful......they are people who live in this city......
they are your neighbors... they have not been bussed in from California or New York......
The police chief of Youngstown should spend more time and action trying to stop the city-wide killings that are
harming the city's image more than trying to stop a small number of individuals standing around a fire barrel and
tent.....
The mayor says he was wrong in allowing the protesters to be on the corner because like children, "when you give them an inch, they take a mile"...
Hey Mayor....stop worrying about these "kids"....spend your time and energy cleaning up the crime, drug deals, and violence in the city FIRST!!!!!!
ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION: YES TWICE.
As for your remarks about "Hoovervilles" you have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about, and that is an ABSOLUTE FACT. In point of FACT members of my family were involved in that historic protest. So without even personally knowing me your assumptions fall flat on their face.
Given that FACT you owe me an APPOLOGY since, while disagreeing with you, I have always shown you respect, and will in the future since we are all in possession of the God given right to express our opinions that goes above and beyond any and all government dictates, and I EXPECT the same from YOU.
By the way Dennis, members of my family were also involved in the Bonus March in 1932.
Someone asked these questions today
Why didn't the city of Youngstown send the YPD to take down the scaffolding around the PNC Building? This was an eyesore that existed for many many months.
What about the building on West Federal Street on which vinyl siding was installed in violation of some design standard? Maybe the vinyl siding should have been removed by the city too?
Towntalk......
Were members of your family removed from Hoovervilles in the 1930'S?
Or were they allowed to assembly on the grounds of Washington D.C. at the time?
Again, why should these folks be removed from downtown?
How much garbage and litter problems were there?
The site looked clean to me when I visited....a barrel of wood to keep warm,
wood for burning neatly out of the way and undercover.....
Some tarp to stay out of the rain...... What is the problem?
I am sure families leave more trash on the lawn after the summer movie series
at the Covelli Centre than the folks left at the Occupy Youngstown site.....
You only care to only address my point on Hoovervilles........what about all the other questions I asked
or raised?
What disrespect have these protesters shown? What problems have they caused?
Are they blocking traffic? Are they using the city streets and sidewalks as their bathrooms?
How are they an eyesore to the community and downtown? Seems the city fathers don't have a problem
with all the litter left over from the weekly Friday concerts in front of BW3's during the summer...nor do the city fathers have a problem
when drunks stroll downtown from bar to bar during the many pub crawls held throughout the year....
But I guess the city is ok with those events because they bring in money....and the occupy Youngstown Protest doesn't....
Aside from the organizers, I can not confirm that the rank- in- file protesters are tax payers in and of themselves with the tax dollars coming out of their own pockets. For all I know, they could be on welfare, not that that disqualifies them.
Having been a union shop stewart at one of my jobs, and having participated in a protest strike, far be it from me to condemn any legitimate protest provided it is conducted in such a manner that it doesn't cause problems.
The family members in both demonstrations were in Washington.
Again I didn't say that they should be chased out of downtown. They can be there till the cows come home .. ie indefinitely, but within the guidelines set out in city ordinances.
Unlike others, I'm just as angry as you as to what corporations have done, especially the banking industry, so there is no real arguments there.
As to corporations chasing jobs out of the country, we're also in agreement there.
There is though a massive difference between the Hooverville and Bonus March protests. The great depression was on, people all over the country were hurting big time, and the President sent in the Army to break up the protests under the direction of Douglas McArthur, and in both cases people were killed. Our family lost all respect for McArthur for that.
As to the other questions I already said that my own beef is not with their conduct as a whole, but simply with the tent and burn barrel, lawn chairs etc.
As to the BW3 and the pub crawls, the festivals and the like, they are supervised events that bring folks downtown and I have no objection to them.
Funny, I can remember strikes all around this valley where strikers stood by barrels, sat in lawn chairs,
and set up tents for shelter so folks could stay overnight or from out of the elements when it
rained or snowed....
Why is this protest different?
So, if they stayed downtown overnight without a barrel or without a tent...you would have no problem
with them....but if they are using a few items like a fire or tent for a little comfort they are not allowed????
Seems like man throughout time has sought to find and use items to make their lives more comfortable.....
but at this time and at this protest these folks are not allowed to do so?
Just because the city has "ordinances" doesn't make it right......
What problems are they really causing?
You proved my point about the pub crawls and festivals...as long as they bring money to downtown and the city
you have no problem with those events.....Funny, I have seen times when there have been problems at these
supervised events...and no problems have been reported at the protest site.....
Civilized society is based on the rule of law, and absent law we have anarchy. We can't pick which laws we will obey and which laws that we will refuse to obey.
I happen to think that I have the right to place a baseball bat up side the head of anyone who looks different than me in such a manner that they will not soon forget it, but if I do, I know for a certainty that I'll be punished by John Law.
The day that we can pick and choose which laws we will obey, and which we will refuse to obey with no subsequent penalty is the day we devolve into the law of the jungle.
The right to protest injustice is as old as America, and we need only to look back to the Boston Tea Party, but in the instent case the protesters are not in the same situation as the folks back in the 1770's by any stretch of the imagination, and they would garner more respect from the public at large if they didn't act like a collection of 1960's era hippies.
While the Constitution guarintees their right to protest, it doesn't guarintee their right to be comfortable.
The same by the way holds just as true for strikers. I don't make distinctions between protesters and strikers.
And again I ask, Since The Lemon Grove instigated the protest in the first place, just what are they doing for the protesters?
When a union goes on strike, the union sees to it that the strikers on the picket line are fed at union expense. Is the Lemon Grove supplying those on the protest line with food, or do the protesters have to buy their own meals?
Update
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/nov/12/occupiers-plan-to-hold-their-ground/
This was taken just about noon when they said they were having a meeting. All 5 of them?
Umm... Did Irish Bobcat say something ?
I have put him on ignore, and long since learned to just say no to "Show me the post"
LMAO
:D
Towntalk.......
I think there is a vast difference between taking a baseball bat to somebody's head
and pitching a tent downtown......
Again, You think these protestors are more like the hippies of the 1960's than those
at the Boston Tea Party.....
Funny, it seems to me that today's protestors are like the folks from the Boston Tea Party....
fighting the constant attacks of big business on taking more money from common citizens...
Wasn't that what the Boston Tea Party was all about? The huge corporate East India Tea Company
imposing more taxes on the middle class colonists so that these taxes went back to the rich King
and legislators in England...one needs only to know that these legislators were major stockholders
in the East India Tea Company...so they basically used a corporation to take more money from the colonists....
What real harm are the protestors doing to downtown? What real problems are they causing?
Is their presence downtown really causing an image problem for the mayor and the police chief?
I would think the weekly murders in the city and rampant crime and drugs on the street would be more of a concern
for the mayor......
My God....the fact that the mayor had to call out a number of police and firefighters to remove a barrel and tent
is funny. I think the police would be more useful on patrol in the major crime areas of the city....
Quote from: AllanY2525 on November 12, 2011, 09:44:07 AM
Umm... Did Irish Bobcat say something ?
I have put him on ignore, and long since learned to just say no to "Show me the post"
LMAO
:D
Yep I did that for several months too. I just this week took him off ignore status. I don't know why.....
Dennis, the law is still the law. If the police ordered the tent etc to be removed it was because it was breaking a city ordinance. That's it, end of story. They can stand there and show their signs until the cows come home. Just doesn't matter. But they cannot have a burn barrel and a tent without proper authority which they may or may not be able to get.....
I am thankful that they stayed out of the way and were respectful during the 2 Veteran Ceremonies this past week. I have no doubt that the same situation in other places they would have made their presence known...........
I am sure there are hundreds of people who live in Youngstown who violate
several city ordinances every day......
don't see the police or mayor cracking down on them......
If this ordinance was such a big deal....why was it not enforced when the barrel
and tent first went up?
Once again we see a mayor and police chief get ticky tacky over what rules they will
and will not enforce.....
Hey mayor, I think your time and energy is better spent fighting crime and murder in the
city than tearing down a tent.....
That's why the city of Youngstown continues to be in bad shape....leadership at the top
who can't figure out the real priorities of running the city......
I can only wonder if Dennis would feel the same way if it had been the Tea party.
My bet is he would have been leading the police to them.......
QuoteThis was taken just about noon when they said they were having a meeting. All 5 of them?
I don't think the 5 people could have blocked that sidewalk on Central Square even if they were arm to arm. It is obvious from the photo that the people walking north had no problem navigating the sidewalk.
And I am sure Sarge would pull out a firearm to defend the Tea Party
downtown if the police came to take their tent.....
Quote from: jay on November 12, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
I don't think the 5 people could have blocked that sidewalk on Central Square even if they were arm to arm. It is obvious from the photo that the people walking north had no problem navigating the sidewalk.
Don't take my post wrong now, they were respectful of the people celebrating Veterans Day. My point was that I didn't see any type of meeting going on....
I really have no problem with them protesting. I think they are rather hilarious actually. Like the 20K that they deposited into a bank they were protesting against. But they still have to play by the rules..........
Quote from: irishbobcat on November 12, 2011, 06:41:28 PM
And I am sure Sarge would pull out a firearm to defend the Tea Party
downtown if the police came to take their tent.....
No Dennis, the only violence reported has been at OWs protests, not Tea Parties....... In fact 2 people were killed and one committed suicide at Ows protests in the last day or so. Not to mention the drug busts and the muggings, robberies, and rapes..........
I will defend any Americans right to free speech. But you don't understand that.......
Sarge, Again, if the Tea Party set up a tent you would be supporting them 100 percent......
You would oppose the police from taking their items......
You only support "government action" if it is against liberal ideas and values.....
Now why would you want to lie about me like that?
If anyone breaks the law I expect them to be treated the same way as the next person.
Erecting a tent on the city square is obviously against the city ordinances. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
I will defend their right to free speech to the death. But they have to play by the rules the same as everyone else....
It's not my fault the left thinks the rules should change for them. Thankfully there is a mayor in Youngstown who doesn't enforce the law the way the left would want him to.
Funny, It seems to me that the neo-cons on the right never have a problem
changing the rules so it benefits them.....
Like Kasich wanting SB 5.....
I'm still confused, how is taking away a burn barrel a denial of free speech.
Did the cops make any arrests? No!
Did the Mayor order them off city property? No!
Are they allowed to carry their signs? Yes!
Are they allowed to speak to passers by about why they're there? Yes!
Are they allowed unhampered access to the press? Yes!
The items were removed Friday — Veterans Day — and in the early morning, when only four members were present.
"Why did he pick Veterans Day to take away our free speech?" O'Toole said.
Again, how is taking away a barrel denial of free speech?
They said that Councilwoman Annie Gillam actually had the first burn barrel delivered to the site, but do we know for an absolute certenty that this was true?
It seems to me that the only thing that the city is denying them is creature comfort.
As to unions using burn barrels and lawn chairs without city permission, I can agree with Dennis to a point. The one thing that unions also have that the OY's don't is a strike headquarters where strikers can go for food, rest and shelter, usually a storefront that the union rents for that purpose.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/nov/13/burn-barrels-will-return-occupy-youngsto/
How can you equate a steel barrel with free speech?
Quote from: irishbobcat on November 13, 2011, 08:47:03 AM
Funny, It seems to me that the neo-cons on the right never have a problem
changing the rules so it benefits them.....
Like Kasich wanting SB 5.....
SB5 was overturned in a legal vote. The people spoke and were listened to, all within the law. I don't know about you Dennis, but I took an oath of service to the constitution of the United States. I still believe in that oath, no matter how much you want me not to.
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
So why would the city fathers go out of their way to deny some "comfort" items to people?
Funny how the mayor will take a barrel and a tent away from some protestors but during the summer
he has no problem opening up fire hydrants so some kids can get comfort during a heat wave....
What is the difference there?
Quote from: irishbobcat on November 13, 2011, 09:44:58 AM
So why would the city fathers go out of their way to deny some "comfort" items to people?
Funny how the mayor will take a barrel and a tent away from some protestors but during the summer
he has no problem opening up fire hydrants so some kids can get comfort during a heat wave....
What is the difference there?
Why don't you attend the next city council meeting and ask your questions. I'm sure they will be happy to answer you. We've tried to explain that the law is the law but for some reason you don't think it should count for the left.......
Turning on th hydrents serves a duel purpose one of which is to flush the hydrents out. YFD comes around every so often to turn them on for a short time for that very purpose.
Sarge, You will never change my mind on this position.....
And I will never change yours....
So let it be.....
Not everyone who is "Pro-Life" is a conservative, nor do all "Pro-Lifer" folks condone murder or bombing any more that all "Green" folks condone destroying the private property of those they disagree with. Thank God most on both sides while disagreeing on issues are not extremists.
From a story on page A9 of the Sunday, November 13 newspaper
"Councilwoman Annie Gillam actually had the first burn barrel delivered to the site"
There appears to be some difference of opinion between Council and the mayor.
Just how long do these folks plan to stay there? Surely they must know that they aren't going to bring about the changes they demand. As to council, we only have the word of the protesters that the Councilwoman provided them with the barrel, and until she confirms it, we must not make too much of it since the statement didn't come out of her mouth, nor have we heard from and other Councilman so we must not assume that they are in support of the protesers.
When you speak of true stifling of free speech two cases come to mind:
Case 1: The McCarthy Era when all forms of mass communion were censored and anyone falling afoul of the government could find themselves in prison.
Case 2: During World War II the Office of War Information was created to censor any and all news about the war, and while the print media could provide more information, the electronic press ie. radio, was strictly and heavily censored. Strangely, the head of OWI was one of the country's most respected radio news commentators, Elmer Davis who had worked for CBS.
In the case of the protesters, they are not being denied "free speech" as such. The police have made no attempt to arrest them, take away their signs, both representative of free speech.
Too often people use "free speech" far beyond what is contained in the First Amendment of the Constitution to embrace things that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Now granted, the protesters have behaved themselves, and we might even make that a given, but the fact remains that by having items on site that the city objects to, and which under any other circumstance would be barred to anyone else, can not and should not be ignored, regardless of who gave it to them.
By the way, I'm just as opposed to unions dragging out burn barrels, lawn chairs, and sleeping bags, so I'm not picking and choosing my arguments. The unions a I have said before rent store fronts as strike headquarters where strikers can go for food and shelter, and these locations are close enough to the strike sight that strikers are not inconvenienced.
Why didn't the Lemon Grove establish the protest headquarters at their establishment since they were the organizers of the protest? Could it be that they were afraid that the presence of the protesters would drive away paying customers?
They can plan to stay there as long as they want to.....
or do you have a problem with that as well, Towntalk?
I do hope when Youngstown holds the Christmas Parade later this year....
nobody places a chair on the sidewalk to watch the parade.....
If they do....they need to have their chair taken away from them as well......
A chair at a parade has always been acceptable for the very simple reason that after the parade the chairs are remove by their owners. I doubt seriously that the parade watchers plan to stay there for an unspecified time. We're not talkin a Macy's parade here in Youngstown now are we? How long do our parades last, an hour at best?
In case you've forgotten my previous posts I made it quite clear that I do not and I repeat, I do not object to protest demonstrations in principal. THAT IS GUARINTEED under the Constitution. The only thing I object to is the way it's being carried out. These protesters are defying the police and trying to egg them into making arrests so that thy can become martyrs to the cause.
In my youth I was involved in a protest demonstration against City Hall and the Water Department, but we didn't drag out lawn chairs, set up tents or a burn Barrel, or chanted protest slogans. We simply marched around City Hall with our union made signs and yes, we got the results we were after.
I've actually been involved in 2 protests myself. One was when I was still in school during a teachers strike. We walked back and forth in front of South HS for about an hour then went home.
The other was just before I enlisted, Yes I took part in an anti-war protest. We had a permit which permitted us to walk up to 4 abreast from YSU Campus to the central Square where we held about a 2 hour rally then walked back to the campus. All the while obeying all traffic signals and signs....
These People are out there to grab headlines, remember they are not protestors they are Occupiers..... And our own locals are also after a headline. They wanted the police and the TV stations to show up at midnight. And I'm sure they were disappointed when they linked arms and no one came.............
They are welcome to walk and stand around the square until they wear a path in the sidewalk. Just follow the rules...
Funny that the mayor gets more upset over a barrel and tent being on the sidewalk then
he does about broken sidewalks, manhole covers, and grates in downtown that takes weeks and even
months to fix......
Where are your real priorities Mayor?
What evidence do you have that the mayor is "more upset"? Maybe the mayor realizes that Youngstown is more than just the downtown and he is spreading the thin city resources to do the most good in the most areas.
So sending police and firefighters to downtown to remove one barrel and one tent
is a good use of the city's resources? Please....
Maybe the mayor should send the police to the high crime areas of the city instead of going downtown
for a barrel and a tent.....
Dennis, just because you and your friends got butt hurt, doesn't mean that your rights were stepped on. Now go pick up your sign and make another pass around the bench.....
It was in violation of the city code, and maintaining the public square is a good use of the city's resources.
Funny how neo-con Ricky at other times on this forum attacks government as
being overbearing and gets in the way of people's personal lives....
but now Ricky praises government action because it tramples a liberal cause....
and gets in the way of people on the left....
Ricky only supports government when it agrees with his far right wing agenda...
Yes I do, but I comply with the law. I advocate changing laws at the voting booth, apparently your side advocates civil disobedience and law breaking.
Sorry Ricky, but there have been times in American History when Civil Disobedience was
needed to help bring about change in America.......
Ask your founding fathers whom you like to quote so much.....
Please tell us what change that the Occupiers in Youngstown are wanting to bring about...
And so far they really haven't really been disobedient. Not sure if they even have the guts.....
But if they did they would lose even more support.
BREAKING NEWS
Judge Upholds City's Move to Block Camping at Protest Site
A state Supreme Court judge upheld the city's right to enforce rules that bar the Occupy Wall Street protesters from camping at Zuccotti Park.
The judge, Michael D. Stallman, wrote in his ruling Tuesday afternoon, "The court is mindful of the movements' First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and peaceable assembly." But he added, quoting from another case, "Even protected speech is not equally permissible in all places and at all times." He said that the protesters "had not demonstrated that the rules adopted by the owners of the property, concededly after the demonstrations began, are not reasonable time place and manner restrictions permitted under the First Amendment."
The full story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/nyregion/police-begin-clearing-zuccotti-park-of-protesters.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
Dallas, Texas
DALLAS, TEXAS (CNN) -- A federal judge in Dallas dealt yet another blow to the Occupy movement Tuesday, denying the group's request for a temporary restraining order to prevent eviction from City Hall property.
U.S. District Judge Jane Boyle's decision meant City Hall was effectively free to forcibly evict the encampment members as of 4 p.m. CT (5 p.m. ET), when the current agreement between the protesters and City Hall expired.
There is a big difference Dennis between a monarchy which is not changable by the population and a republic which is. There was no right for redress of grievances in Britain. Learn some history.
Hey Rick....what about the civil rights movements of the 1950's and 60's?
Should folks like Rosa Parks and others have staged civil disobedience at the time?
Or would you have sicked the dogs on them and blasted them with water hoses?
This isn't 1776, nor is it the 50's or 60's.
All over the country these protesters are being told by our courts that they cannot camp out in these places.
Accept the facts Dennis. They can protest until the cows come home but they are not going to live on city property.
A group of Occupy Youngstown protestors has filed a lawsuit against the city in Mahoning County Common Pleas Court alleging their civil rights have been violated and their property was illegally seized.
the suit was filed Wednesday and seeks a temporary restraining order, a preliminary injunction and permanent injunction regarding their encampment in downtown Youngstown. Named in the suit are the city, Mayor Charles Sammarone and police chief Rod Foley.
The group has been protesting around the clock on Federal Plaza since Oct. 15 in a demonstration similar to to those taking place around the country. Last week, the protesters were informed that they could remain on Federal Plaza, but they had to remove their burn barrels and tents because they violated city codes. They were given a deadline of midnight on Friday to remove the barrels and tents.
At 7:30 a.m. Friday, members of the police department and fire department confiscated the tent, a burn barrel, a chair, signs and other items, according to the lawsuit. The plaintiffs state in the lawsuit that they plan to continue their demonstration, but need the tent and burn barrel in order to do so and seek the return of the items.
The lawsuit states that by confiscating the items, the city violated the protesters' 1st and 14th Amendment rights of free speech and equal rights, and also violated the group's 4th Amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.
SOURCE: WKBN News
THE MOUTHPIECES
"We're looking forward to fighting the city for the right to stay here, and protest the inequality that exists in this country," Attorney Kim Akins said.
"That was taken without a warrant, without an opportunity to be heard, without any legal authorization that we can perceive," said Staughton Lynd, a spokesman for Occupy Youngstown.
FLASH
BREAKING NEWS
Magistrate has rejected Occupy Youngstown's request for a temporary restraining order
Now that a magistrate has rejected Occupy Youngstown's request for a temporary restraining order to permit the group to use a tent and burn barrel in Central Square, its members are focusing on a Dec. 1 court hearing.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/nov/17/protesters-press-on-after-loss-in-court/
SEE ALSO: http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/nov/14/there-is-a-right-to-hold-a-sign-pitching/?print
Sarge, because you have such a narrow mind.....you can not truly see the big picture.....
I guess that is why you are a conservative....you just don't understand.....
A photo of Occupy Youngstown's Attorney Akins being interviewed by the local media
Quote from: irishbobcat on November 17, 2011, 05:50:43 AM
Sarge, because you have such a narrow mind.....you can not truly see the big picture.....
I guess that is why you are a conservative....you just don't understand.....
Really? Then please explain to me exactly what it is I don't understand.
What I understand is that you have made many accusations about what I think and believe when you haven't a clue.
What I understand is that the right of free speech does not include the right to camp on city streets.
What I understand is that in nearly every major OWS camp around the country there have been legal, moral, and sanitary problems.
So you go ahead and explain what I don't understand.
I'll wait...........
I am going to protest Dennis's stupid comments by setting up a tent and burn barrel in the front of his house and play reruns of the Rush Limbaugh program 24 hours a day. Dennis, you SHOULDN"T have any problem with that right? After all that is my first amendment right. I won't trample too much of your front yard, just about a 10' x 10' area.
See you tonight my new neighbor!
Rick, while I would have no problem with that, my wife is a conservative Republican
who would probably throw you and your tent in the barrel and then light it.....
Good luck with that....LOL
Since all conservative republicans have traditionally been grouped together as NeoCons in so many posts on this site, I would figure that Mrs. Bobcat would run out and join Rick.
I might think about a counter demonstration downtown, but i swear I don't think they know what they are demonstrating against.
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