Mooney Update

[Towntalk]

Apparently you haven't seen NSH lately ... there has been so much added that you can hardely see the original building and don't forget that NSH is tied in with Rootstown which SE isn't.

I too am Catholic, but would never use SE ... as I said, my family has always used NSH and always will based on the quality of care they have given my family.

Actually I wasn't all that upset about Mooney, so if they go that's fine with me.

[kenneyjoe330]

Today's paper has Northside coming up with $20 Million in improvements and when St.E's leaves Youngstown it will pick up the slack for people in that geo area. I choose St.E's because I am Catholic - both hospitals are good but because St.E's is larger I feel it 'might' be a step ahead of Northside.
I could not agree with you MORE about Boardman ! ! !  Some really nice people but I stay away as much as possible from 224 and try to buy local here in Youngstown.  If I need something I try to buy it coming home from work in North Jackson and shopping in Austintown.  Speaking of Austintown - how about Mayor Sam trying to 'cash' in at the casino  Ain't dat a HOOT 
I could go on but that is not part of the thread of this post 

[Towntalk]

HMHC does not stay stagnet technologically speaking ... as  medicine advances hospitals must advance or die.

Lets establish one very important thing ... I have no use for Boardman ... I never shop there ... I never will ... IF HMHC were to close it's main campus, it would be no loss to me since my family uses North Side Hospital ... always have and always will. I do all my shopping on the Belmont Avenue corrodore and always will.

I have nothing against the people of Boardman ... just the township.

If I need to go to a Mall ... it would be the Eastwood Mall ... never the Southern Park Mall. If there was an event in Boardman that everyone was raving about, I choose to stay home.

By the way, have you seen North Side Hospital lately ... it's huge and growing even larger.

[kenneyjoe330]

Your theory is very convincing and you may well be correct in my life time (15-20 years? There is a guess for you  )  The 'New Cancer Center' is how old now - a year? - In 10 years that equipment will be obsolete.  In 10 years I don't think anyone will be wandering over from YSU for much more than direct medical attention because our communication system will be MUCH more advanced in 10 years.  I an usually a 'crape' hanger but try very hard not to hang crape all over.  I just see it coming that is all.  A Prophet    It is right next to I680 which makes it geographically an excellent location    I don't think there is much to understand about everyone getting a pay raise - money has a lot to do with everything even 2 and 3/4 percent.
Mooney will leave because people with money want it outside of Youngstown and they will win.  The Youngstown area is now small enough to have ONE Catholic High School.  Ursuline's building and campus is much older than Mooney.  I feel they should combine.  Just my thoughts and feelings.

[Towntalk]

If, and I say if HMHC were to ever close their main campus, there would be so much anger that you wouldn't believe on the part of the people and foundations that have poured money into it specifically such as the Breast Cancer unit, that they would never again give HMHC the support that they need. Also they would come into conflict with YSU regarding joint projects.

People thought that once the NSH opened their Boardman campus and closed Tod that they would close the whole campus, yet today they are investing multi millions into expansion of that campus.

As to the Osteopathic Hospital, finances were what led to its demise. It didn't have the financial support that it needed from foundations and wealthy folks, nor did it have unique services that would draw the attention of national foundations such as MDA, and other health related groups.

Mooney on the other hand is quite different ... schools come and go ... just look at the public school system in Youngstown.

As to one day in the future Youngstown annexing Boardman, that will never happen at least in our lifetime.

[kenneyjoe330]

THAT is the problem with the world today - People fear everything BUT THE LOARD ! ! !
I know a wealthy man (by my standards of 'having money') that has children that he wants to go to Mooney in a few years.  He lives in Canfield and is fearful of coming into Youngstown and resents it to boot.  If God wants you to get a bullet in your head you could live in "The White House" and it will happen    WHEN Mooney leaves they should give it 'on the cheep' to Youngstown Christian and let YC remodel it - It would be THE CHRISTIAN thing to do 

Very sorry about my speculation about HMHC - I can see it happening.  ALL their employees would get a 2 and 3/4 pay RAISE for starters.  Do you know how FAST medical equipment gets OLD   Have you been by the BOARDMAN Campus latley    I think they got a new wing that is almost as large as the old part - get that - the old part of the Boardman Campus  .  I would like to think I am wrong but one thing is for certain and that is CHANGE and it can happen very fast.  Oh by the way I live a few blocks from the old Woodside Hospital and of course you remember Cafarro Oh yea and Youngstown Sheet and Tube also - although that was not a hospital.  Who knows by then Youngstown will annex the Slob Burb of Boardom (as a friend of my calls Boardman) 

[iwasthere]

Do you get the feeling the Bishop was approached by big money Mooney Alumni after his decision?

never ever mess with people with deep pockets because they can make your life miserable

[jay]

If anything, the space inside Mooney and Ursuline is under utilized.  Both schools once had hundreds of students in each graduating class.  Now they are lucky to have a hundred graduating each year.

Look at Chaney High School.  It once had over 1,000 students.  The Board of Education more than doubled the size of the school building.  The total enrollment for Chaney today is around 300.

[Towntalk]

Kenny:

Who the who ever even suggested that HMHC would shut down their Belmont Ave. campus given the huge investment they have been putting into new technology etc.
Lets just deal with established proven facts and leave the speculations out of the discussion.

As to Mooney merging with Ursuline, that's not a bad idea, but that would mean that the Ursuline building would have to be enlarged.

[Billy Mumphrey]

Do you get the feeling the Bishop was approached by big money Mooney Alumni after his decision?

[kenneyjoe330]

I think the bishop should combine Ursline and Mooney and have ONE Souly Wholly Holy CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL.   

Oh Catholic or not people with money get what they want  one way or another  or another 

$80,000 is NOTHING just wait until Humility of Mary Health Care leaves  sooner or later - one way or another 

[Towntalk]

Youngstown Catholic Diocese Bishop George Murry backtracked Wednesday on his earlier decision to keep Cardinal Mooney High School in the city, saying the diocese will review that ruling.
Murry, in a news release, said the diocese will review his June 4 decision that said the school would remain on the city's South Side and not move to the suburbs.
The diocese said they received "new and substantial information about the costs of asbestos remediation to the existing building at Cardinal Mooney High School," according to the release.
The costs were presented to the bishop by the school's board of directors after Murry issued his decision.
"When you start to delve into and tearing things a part, to take a look at what needs to be done (for) renovations, that's when you start to see new things and that's where the new information came from," said Youngstown Catholic Schools Superintendent Nick Wolsonovich said. "The extent at what we needed to do and asbestos, when you renovate is a lot different than abating it."
Murry appointed an independent committee with expertise in Catholic school mission, along with a parent and pastor, to review all information regarding the school's renovation.
Murry asked the committee to complete its review by July 31, the release said.
The release said if the recommendation from the committee is not to move, and the bishop reaffirms his earlier decision, school officials will be asked to begin a capital campaign to raise money for the necessary renovations.
If the committee recommends the school relocate the to the suburbs, and the bishop approves that recommendation, he will then ask the school to conduct a financial feasibility study to determine whether or not there are sufficient resources to build a new school, the diocese said
The process will take two months, the release said. Mooney is preparing to open the school year at the present location, which some consider rundown and crime-ridden.
Murry on June 4 decided to keep Cardinal Mooney in the city, overruling the school's board voting in favor of moving to the suburbs and despite an independent study that concluded the school would sustain better enrollment for a longer period if they moved.
"According to its mission statement, Cardinal Mooney High School is committed to provide a quality Catholic education through sanctity, scholarship, and discipline, developing leaders dedicated to social justice and service in the world. Bishop Murry is convinced that the school can more effectively live out its mission by being a leaven to the community and by providing meaningful service and educational opportunities to its students at its present location.  The decision to remain at its present site emphasizes that the Church is willing to put its resources behind those values," a statement from the diocese said at the time.
The June 4 statement also said that it will cost less to renovate the current building than to build a new school in the suburbs. Early estimates were $18 million to renovate the present school and $25 million to build a new one in Boardman.
Cardinal Mooney has been located at Erie Street and Indianola Avenue on Youngstown's South Side since 1956. Its employees pay roughly $80,000 a year in city income tax to Youngstown