Dump The Pump Day - Thursday, June 16

[northside lurker]

BTW, thanks for the information and adds, Towntalk.

[northside lurker]

Yes, barely because nothing is left in the cookie jar..

ODOT doesn't seem to have too much trouble finding hundreds of millions of dollars to add extra lanes, build bridges, etc. every year.

Mass transit was always subsidized because the private sector was allowed to produce and generate hugh tax revenue.

How was mass transit always subsidized?

[Youngstownshrimp]

  That's why mass-transit is subsidized, (barely) today.

Yes, barely because nothing is left in the cookie jar.  Mass transit was always subsidized because the private sector was allowed to produce and generate hugh tax revenue.  Who now and what industry is producing the tax revenue the entitled are addicted too?  Right! , the private sector moved away to countries that have a smaller or no entitled class.

[northside lurker]

What exactly does this mean?

There is no type of transit, mass or otherwise that competes with roads and highways. Transit either uses roads and highways (cars, buses, etc.) or it doesn't (boats, planes, etc.).

If roads were not subsidized, the cost of driving would be much higher. (mostly because of higher gas prices--assuming the gas tax is increased to fully cover the cost of building/maintaining roads)  This would make mass-transit (even if it was also unsubsidized) more likely to be profitable, as more people would choose mass-transit to save money.  I think that's why mass-transit does well in Europe; it costs a lot to fill up over there.

Please note that I'm not suggesting we should eliminate all government subsidies.  We've been car-dependent for too long, our built environment is designed around the car, so the adjustment away from that would be nearly catastrophic.

[Why?Town]

Yes, and unsubsidized mass-transit couldn't compete with subsidized roads and highways.  That's why mass-transit is subsidized, (barely) today.

What exactly does this mean?

There is no type of transit, mass or otherwise that competes with roads and highways. Transit either uses roads and highways (cars, buses, etc.) or it doesn't (boats, planes, etc.).

[Towntalk]

Ads for four of the lines.

[Towntalk]

Prior to the establishment of the Youngstown Municipal Railway, there were three different streetcar lines serving the city and three interurban lines that came through Youngstown

Youngstown and Southern
Youngstown & Suburban
Park & Falls

Mahoning Valley Railway
Youngstown & Sharon
Mahoning and Shenango Railway and Light Company

[northside lurker]

History reveals that prior to GM busting up the trolley car business in Youngstown and all the other Cities in the country, this electric form of mass transit was entirely private and received no subsidy.  I would wager, that WRTA cost more money to operate than $5 a gallon, TAX YOURSELVES!

Yes, and unsubsidized mass-transit couldn't compete with subsidized roads and highways.  That's why mass-transit is subsidized, (barely) today.

[Youngstownshrimp]

History reveals that prior to GM busting up the trolley car business in Youngstown and all the other Cities in the country, this electric form of mass transit was entirely private and received no subsidy.  I would wager, that WRTA cost more money to operate than $5 a gallon, TAX YOURSELVES!

[jay]

Mahoning Valley
Dump The Pump Day

Thursday, June 16, 2011

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