"Mill Creek Park needs Lodges"

[Youngstownshrimp]

So here we are again, turmoil at Mill Creek park.  We deserve it, we deserve the crap overflow, we deserve all the restrictions, we deserve all the firings, we deserve Mill creek park spiraling into a ghetto park.  Folks, money doesn't grow on trees, someone has to pay for your free park and majority of us larger taxpayers are fed up with ineptness......by all.

[Youngstownshrimp]

Some of the top ten largest land and mineral owners in the Utica oil and gas formation:

1. Oglebay, recieved $millions for their minerals, they are more advanced than Millcreek, they have lodges, events, light shows, etc.


2.  Muskingum watershead, $millions for their recreation activities and land acquisition.


3.  Pittsburg Airport:  $26 million which saved the insolvent airport.


4.  Mill Creek part:  Asleep and now being drowned in their own crap, led by the 8 local anti frackers.

[Youngstownshrimp]

Three years ago we brainstormed this subject.   It now appears that Mill Creek Park maybe led correctly due to a new Judge (Russu) appointing qualified leadership.  The best location for a lodge is using eminet domain to acquire parcels next door to the Fellows Riverside complex.  The historic view will be the same for a lodge.


Read Mill Creek's PDF mission plan online.  Notice their wish for a destination point ad also the most visited parts of MillCreek are the facilities rather than just the Land.  Fellows is right up their, a lodge will be even greater.  Land  acquisition is a focus and must be enlarged for future generations and buffer.

[Youngstownshrimp]

The innovative ideas just keep coming, seems like the old Idora park land just keeps popping up with no solutions.  These lodges can be built on the 26 acres and probably tie into the history and nostalgia of Idora park.  Name the the lodges, "The Lodges at Idora Park" , use the energy money from Mill creek and build the damn things already.  Throw out all the bureacrat board members and make Mill Creek and Idora a destination point. 
I'm glad all this brain drain is returning to Youngstown via the energy industry, maybe we can see progress again in our lifetimes.

[Youngstownshrimp]

So Mill Creek Park pops up again with the Fractivist on one side and the Board on the other, brainstorming its past position on harvesting energy and the large amount of revenue that has been generated sitting in the bank.  This topic is not a debate on whether fracking is evil science or not, it is simply a subject on how the Park can move forward and progress, evolve.

My position today is that a large amount of energy and revenue lay beneath the park lands and can be used to enhance and jettison the Park from a mediocre amount of visitors to a destination revenue generating powerhouse.  With the assets on the surface of the park, I believe that with a lodge for visitors, the gem that is Mill Creek will shine.  The wealth beneath the park can and should be put to good use and a lodge should be built.   Today is our chance to see a dream realized, "a people without Vision will die."

[irishbobcat]

Don't let the neo-con Fascist shrimp breeder sell you a pig in the poke....

The public does not want gas frackng drilling on our Mill Creek Park lands.....

[Youngstownshrimp]

Sorry folks about the distraction, the communist need to be beaten back a lot here.

Okay back to free enterprise,  Judge Belingky I understand appoints the Park board and I know Macejco is on the board;  if we really think this is a good idea, we need to bring it to their attention.  Like always they will balk at "where is the money coming from?",  I suggest inform them that they can increase their energy royalties by tapping into their oil.  Oglebay rec'd over $3800 per acre several months ago multiplied by 1600 acres is a lot of money initially.  Of course this does not include their revenue from royalties they soon will receive once the oil starts to flow.  Again, Mill Creek has 2600 acres.

People on this forum need to step up and demand accountability from our employees, the leaders in this county.  Do not think that your voice is irrelevant.  It is us that own the park, it is us that pay the entitled ruling class, rise!

[Youngstownshrimp]

Dennis, shut up already, who asked for your opinion, you do not have the rationale for this type of free enterprise thought, go play with your boyfriend Stewie Poohie.  We all know your whacked hypocrisy, go build a windmill somewhere and only call us when you produce something and quit taking.

Everyone knows Mill Creek sold their mineral rights years ago geeeezzzzz...

[irishbobcat]

Only Shrimp would support gas fracking in Mill Creek Park.....

[Youngstownshrimp]

When you go into Lowellville, take Quarry road and when it comes to a "T" take the right onto Kennedy which they still call Quarry, on your left across the ravine you will see a house that cantilevers over the hillside.  This is a highend kit manufactured in Youngstown across from B.J. Allan for thirty years.  The company is now defunct and this is the first of its kind in the Valley, my company put it there.

Use this to envision a lodge cantilevering over Glacier Lake, this lodge should tie into Youngstown and 680.  With all the oil revenue from Mill Creek's acreage they can build this and more, I do not know, maybe they might be socialist.

[Towntalk]

Due to the high crime rate on the South Side, what about the Canfield area, or the western boundry of the park? Doesn't Mill Creek Park have a farm? If so, how about linking a lodge between the two?

[Why?Town]

I think Allan's suggestion should be the only option.

Unless of course our taxes will be going up to pay for this instead of down because of this, in which case I say leave well enough alone.

[AllanY2525]

What if the proprietors picked some land near the existing boundary of the park,
and landscaped the grounds so that it would look like an addition to the
park instead of tearing up land already inside the park to build it?


I've always thought that some of the really run down neighborhoods near
the park with lots of delapidated buldings could be cleared, planted with
new trees etc. an then added to the acreage of the park.

[penguinnick]

That's a great idea.  You would have to designate an area for such a venture, but the park could probably make money if done correctly (without ruining the nature of the park).  Where would you like this to be? 

[Youngstownshrimp]

Right after Christmas, my wife and I had reservations at the new wing to the lodges at Oglebay, truly a refreshing getaway.  The new wing was first class and the ability to walk indoors to a quality restaurant and pub made the wintry stay superb.

Oglebay, which has 1600 acres has always been run by innovative concerned citizens, they have built the park into a powerhouse of success and generate a significant or most of the growth and operating revenue.  I must however admit that Mill Creek Park is more blessed naturally and has 2600 acres I understand.  However, Mill Creek Park can be much more and become a destination point in our community, something to show off to guest so to speak.  Similar to the innovation of the Fellows Garden, if the Park builds first class lodges, they will come.