"Youngstown's New Wealth"

[irishbobcat]

But not by bringing in money that will eventually lower property values as well as harm our drinking waters for future generations....

The health of our children and grandchildren should come first before fracking the environment....

fracking is bad business in the long run for any area where there are problems with the process....
this scene has played out across the country out west and in nearby PA. and New York.....

Taxing the rich would balance our state budget and provide aid to education faster than tax cuts to the

rich and famous.....

[Towntalk]

While I appreciate your sincere concern for the environment and yes even respect your commitment, the fact remains that you have no more power to bring an environmental industry to the valley than anyone else on this forum.

Any industry that would bring jobs here both in Youngstown and Struthers would we welcomed with open arms ... especially by Boards of Education whether it's in the manufacture of wind turbans or what have you.

This area needs a major shot in the arm job wise, and soon, and it's not coming, and with each passing year the problems our schools and communities are facing trying to provide a quality education is getting worse ... not better.

The notion of taxing the rich in order to make up the shortfall won't even begin to stop the bleeding for there simply are not enough wealthy families left to tax, so trying to drive away whatever opportunities do come our way is like cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

Given the state of Ohio's economy, how can we expect it to come to our rescue?

If the state makes further cuts in education, where will the money come from. The well is going dry.

The only solution we have is to either cut back on education by closing schools and laying off staff ... laying off city workers ... or cutting services.

[irishbobcat]

New revenue that will devalue our property even more and posion our water tables?

I think not towntalk......

why don't you just ask for a nuke plant to be built in the county as well......

[Towntalk]

Is Mahoning County's tax base so sound that we can afford to turn our backs on new sources of revenue?

Think about it for a moment, whether you are liberal or conservative. Just how many companies are looking to locate here?

We can dream all night about our vision for our future, but none of us in this forum have it within our power to bring a single new industry into the county, and in the meantime our situation continues to deteriorate at an alarming rate.

We've nearly reached the bottom, and if it weren't for companies like V&M and Lordstown, we'd be there now.

As it stands, we have no future to hand down to our children locally, and as a consequence they are forced to move out of the district and out of the state.

For my part, I haven't any answers to our problem, nor do I have it within my power to bring about a turn-around, but then I'm not alone.

[irishbobcat]

Not in my backyard......put a fracking well next to your shrimp ponds...then see if people will eat your sea monkey shrimp.....

[Youngstownshrimp]

I spoke with Danny Yemma about using oil royalties for taxes and demo., he says he is going to consult with the prosecutor's office.  I was dumbfounded that he was not aware of all the oil companies activities in Mahoning county.

[AllanY2525]

FRacking is bad for our environment and our property taxes

So are vacant homes with no [tax-paying] owners, declining property values, etc.

[irishbobcat]

FRacking is bad for our environment and our property taxes

[Youngstownshrimp]

If the MVOC and Phil Kidd can rally the people towards managing this God send, I will support them.  Sadly I think they are just organizing to elect socialist to power ala ACORN.  We do need some concerted effort here to win here and I think this Forum is the vehicle to do it, we are the only active internet site in the Valley that has some cohesion in our concern for Youngstown, lead on and I will follow.  How about our own little protest downtown, I have associates who will pay for the signage.

[Towntalk]

For what it's worth Shrimp, I agree with you for the very simple reason that I trust the city and county governments as far as I could pick up and throw the Mahoning County Courthouse. As far as I'm concerned, they're all a pack of bald faced liers that would think nothing of robbing us blind.

A major letter writting campaign (real letters, not e-mail) should be started to the Vindicator expressing our views in order to set a fire going under them, because that's the only thing that the politicians seem to understand around here.

Make things so hot for city and county government that they wouldn't dare do anything sneeky.

[Youngstownshrimp]

Allan,

I am not laughing , you and many others in this community organizing forum are beginning to get it.  Yes, the revenue from the royalties must be used intelligently and cleaning up the Mahoning river into what many of us posted about (recreation) can and should be done with this new found wealth.  You may have read on the Vindy that a neighbor of the 340 acre Ponderosa Park, in bankruptcy blew the whistle that someone stole hugh timber and raped the land.  What was not reported is that the neighbors are afraid that the bankrupt owner may sell the mineral rights as well without applying the funds to the creditors.  This is what I am afraid of, the City squandering or comingling the mineral rights of Landbank lands to pay for Pork.

The simple truth here is that if we here truly care about Youngstown, we spread the word, we bring it to the attention of the City leaders and govern ourselves accordingly.  I know for a fact that the City has been giving some of the mineral rights away several years ago.  We need to demand that the City form an Energy committee to manage this new found wealth.

[AllanY2525]

Maybe the city could use some of the money from the oil wells (tax revenues?)
to start cleaning UP the Mahoning river, when the time comes ?!?!


lol

[kenneyjoe330]

I don't know much at all about ANYTHING and very little about fracking - I did go to the Liberty "thing" on fracking and the professor from YSU seems to think it is OK to frack (if that is a correct term ?) the only thing I can say about it - to give you my "most stupid" thought and conclusion is this - WHY don't YOU PEOPLE that think fracking is OK go down to the Mahoning River and use it as drinking water in your home for you and your family ?  I KNOW that may not make sense (may be cents to you) but I am asking for your most intellectual reply and stupid me will try to make sense (or cents ) of it.  THANK YOU in advance for humouring little ole me 
PS - Hay Rick how much are your eggs ?

[Rick Rowlands]

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!  The earth is fracking! The earth is fracking!

[Youngstownshrimp]

Talked to BoCor yesterday about two lots on Salt Springs next to their well, interesting, they told me that the Utica shale under Mahoning county and eastern Ohio has more oil than the country needs.  I know it is in the best interest for the oil companies to keep all info. to themselves, but what bothers me is with all the self aggrandizement the City has thrown upon themselves with V&M Star investing $650 Million making gas and oil pipe, why are they not leading us and taking charge in coordinating this new found wealth in the Valley?