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YSU Professor Paul Sracic wrong? Obama needs Clinton to avoid McCain landslide

Started by Frank Bellamy, MAP Masters of Applied Politics, June 04, 2008, 12:14:42 AM

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Ohio went to Hillary, so there is a posability that enough of them could flip out of protest to give McCain the state by a narrow margin. Remember that half the state is Republican.

I read an interesting article in the U.S. News and World Report this morning:

"Here is what she really wants:
1. Sen. Barack Obama to plead with her to accept the second place on the ticket.
2. A return to power in Washington to be close to the job she lost and feels cheated about (though as the heavy favorite who blew it).
3. A place at the table for her husband, the former president, who hurt her effort in the primaries with some over-the-top comments."

I really don't think that Obama's team wants him team up with Clinton knowing that she and Bill will not be team players, and will undermine him every step of the way.

Her overriding purpose in life is power. Power for her and power for Bill, and she would use the next four years to establish a record for a second run in 2012, and she couldn't do it by walking in the shaddow of Obama.

As for Obama, if he does chose her as his VP, he will be seen as weak in the eyes of other world leaders.

When they need to deal with us, they will go through Hillary because of Bill, and this would be a disaster for Obama.

Can you immagine what it would be for us if the other countries treated Hillary as if she were the President, even though she wasn't?

ytowner

Obama does not stand a chance without Hillary. Hillary has helped to divide a party that is not going to unite. When 32% of Hillary supporters in KY say they will vote for McCain when they know Obama is the nominee, that is very disturbing for Obama.

Watch these states: Ohio-Michigan-New Mexico-New Hampshire-Wisconsin-Missouri.
I think McCain will take Mich-NH-MO... but Ohio and NM and CO are wide open...

McCain wins 272-266..

Towntalk

I agree with you on next to nothing, yet on this one, I may have to eat crow and agree without making it a habit.

Would an Obama/Clinton ticket spur Republicans to come out in record numbers? Possably.

Would Clinton's defeat spur her supporters to flip over to McCain? Possably.

Before we come to any carved in stone conclusion, we have to wait to see what happens at the DNC convention in August.

If the meeting in Washington of the DNC Rules and Bylaws committee is any indicator, the national convention is shaping up to be stormy, and coupled with that, several radical groups will be demonstrating outside the convention under the banner "Re-create '68".

If we see a repeat of past raucous Democratic conventions like the 1968 and the convention that tapped George McGovern, we may very well see McCain swept in, but don't count on it just yet. The DNC leadership will do everything it can possibly do to put its best face on the event to avoid a disaster when they are so close to victory. They certainly don't want a repeat of the Rules and Bylaw's meeting when they are on the verge of making history.

Frank Bellamy, MAP Masters of Applied Politics

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Frank Bellamy, MAP Political Guru

YSU Professor Paul Sracic maybe wrong on this one! Obama needs Clinton to avoid a John McCain landslide victory in Nov.

To think that Sen. Obama would have a remote chance at winning in the General Election is fool hearty at best. Our nation's demographics are very vulnerable to TV, Radio and Internet negative messaging and the Republican Party is the best at political messaging. 

An Obama/Clinton presidential ticket is the most competitive duo that the Democratic Party could hope for in this election cycle. If they couple anyone else with Obama the 527 Interest Groups will have a clear shot at targeting the flaws of Obama alone.  Whereas, with Clinton on the ticket she could easily deflect many of the political attacks, but their ticket could be easily defeated by McCain and just about any Republican running mate.