Demolition Quote

[ytowner]

I agree, I had NO problem finding a job in the financial sector once I got out of YSU a few years ago. NONE AT ALL.

People are too lazy too look hard enough; whether it be in the Trib/Vindy; or online where there are hundreds of local jobs available.

I don't think people can't find jobs----people aren't trying hard enough to find jobs and they get the idea they will never get any and that makes them wanna leave..

be my guest then.

[Micky]

With all of the talk about YSU becoming the anchor for the city of Youngstown, what opportunities could be created using the great programs and graduates from YSU? 

[Mary]

You know this is what is wrong with this damn valley in the first place!! We have people with COLLEGE educations! Do you really think they want to go work in a MACHINE SHOP! Is that 12.oo an hour going to pay for the 20,000-40,000 in student loans they racked up getting an education?  We need industries that are growing not dying. This valley has relied on manual labor long enough. It's time to look for new industries that will bring more educated jobs into the valley. Other areas are BOOMING. Why? They DO NOT have the majority of their jobs in blue collar labor.
It has nothing to do with whining for me. This is the reality for the younger people of the valley. As for the trade schools, i will not comment because i did not attend one, and do not know the situations there.

And as for living on two incomes. I make 10.00 an hour, my bf makes less WORKING FOR THE COUNTY! So you want to explain how we are supposed to pay a mortgage, car payment, and the rest of the bills on 35,000 per year? And no my math is not off. This is what our taxes were last year together.
Most of us are not looking for "cushy" jobs. I have NO issue working my butt off. However I could have made 10-12 an hour without going to college (and 2 years ago i was making the same amount of money i am now). I think after getting a education that only 20% of the rest of the residents of the valley have, we do deserve a little bit more. Do i think we should make $25 an hour. NO but i have run the figures and to pay for my education and still live i need about 13.50 per hour. This is not all that high.  

[Towntalk]

Mickey I suggest that rather than blaming political leaders, you look closer to home.

Did you ever hear of the New Castle School of Trades? More than one of my friends went there and have good paying jobs.

[Towntalk]

Rick, I agree with both of your points. I'm also sick and tired of all the whining that is going on. It doesn't take a Masters degree to look around the area and see what's available even if it's not a nice cushy white collar job.

Machinists ... good machinists are in demand ... the pay and benefits are good, so what's wrong? There are local trade schools that will not only train us, but will locate jobs for us, but apparently that's not good enough for some people around here.

In all my working years, the longest I was ever on the unemployment line was three months and I started working in 1960 and finally retired in 2002.

The work was not always to my liking, but it was putting bread on the table, and money into my bank account and that's all any of us have a right to expect.

[Rick Rowlands]

Bullshit!!! Two weeks ago the owner of City Machine Technologies was in the Vindicator lamenting that he cannot find 14 people to fill openings at his company.  Those are high skilled well paying jobs, paying between $12 and $18 an hour.  The machine shop that I work for can't find qualified employees either.  Another shop in Masury can't find good people so hires whatever is available.  The owner of the place tells us stories of how these idiots continue to destroy everything and anything in sight out of stupidity.  Should I go on?  I can give examples all day long!

So I say to all of you.  You are all full of it!  There ARE jobs here, but we don't have anyone left with enough intelligence to do them.  So go ahead Mary, leave town. But don't BS us into believeing that you have no choice.   And if your two incomes can't afford to live in the Mahoning Valley you two are doing something dreadfully wrong.

Micky, I don't understand your reasoning.  Yes level the neighborhoods if that is what it takes.  Thats better than neighborhoods full of run down, abandoned buildings.  If only we could level much of the south and east sides.  Youngstown is a smaller city and we don't need street after street of old inefficient houses that nobody wants anymore.

[Micky]

As long as our city leaders (?), ordinances, and high tax rates remain the same, Ytown will eventually turn into a grassland.  City leaders have had no progressive plans for our community.  There are way too many low-wage jobs.  As stated in another post on this forum, there is so much red tape for potential businesses that they decide against coming to Youngstown. 

Our politicians have so many "great" ideas for our town when they're running for an elected office only to forget about what they've said or promised once they've been elected. 

[Mary]

Townstalk this time i totally agree with you.

I just graduated from YSU with my BA and can not find a job that making any more then i could before. My boyfriend graduates next year and we are already deciding where we are going to move. I love my city but if i can't pay my bills then there is no other choice.

YSU graduated 2000 people. My guess would be that 60% will leave in the next 6-9 months. 

[Towntalk]

Without jobs that are better than fry cooks and hamburger flippers, we are driving our brightest and best not only out of town, but out of state as well.

We can start up all sorts of deadend jobs that require very little skill or intelligence, but that will not ever solve the problem. What person flipping hamburgers can afford to buy a home even in Youngstown? They can't. Or what person scrubbing out johns for a living can move into an apartment charging $400 a month, they can't.

We can spend the whole summer sprucing up downtown Youngstown, but that will not in and of itself bring in good paying skilled jobs.

We can create all sorts of arts venues, but so long as people are living hand to mouth and robbing from Peter to pay Paul, nothing is gained.

YSU is turning out very great grads, but in their senior year, they are looking to move out of the area the moment they get their sheepskin.

We can love Youngstown all we want, but so long as our best and brightest have to leave the area, we are not going to progress, and that is a simple fact, not wishful thinking.

[Micky]

So what are Youngstown's options?  Should the city be leveled?  When all of the structures are demolished, the residents of Youngstown will be moving into the suburbs next.  It would be a continuous pattern. 

Sounds like our city leaders, police chief, and judicial system must be overhauled and quickly if honest efforts at combating crime are to make a difference.

[Towntalk]

With Youngstown's population on the decline, with a couple of exceptions in downtown Youngstown, I hardly think that serious developers are going to throw their money away in the city, and what person would want to leave the safety of the suburbs to come into a crime infested city with no business district. They would be a fool unto themselves, when they have everything they need in their own back yard.

Let's get real here folks, a few fluff pieces in out of town papers are not going to convince people or businesses to relocate here as long as the city looks like the armpit of a leper.

[Rick Rowlands]

Knock down the vacant houses!  Nobody is going to magically appear and do something with them.  Get rid of them to make way for green space and new houses.

[Micky]

Unfortunately, demolition is needed in cities.  If progressive plans are not in place, cities would be barren.

In many cities, real estate developers have been converting warehouses, historical structures, office buildings, and department stores to residential use. 

[ytowner]

We need demolitions; or this city would look like a big wasteland. The damn Salvation Army makes this area look like we just went through a damn war or bombing.

I bet 10% of the houses in this city are abandoned. Tear them down and hope that it deters future crimes via arson or drug trade.

[Maggy]

Jay,

Boy, are you right!

Our city is being used as the depreciation capitol of Ohio. Outside investors have grabbed both commercial and housing properties for the sole purpose of using such for write-offs.

But, we not only allow it, we actually then pay to demolish these properties.