MILLIONS OF $$$ COMING TO CITY

[Rick Rowlands]

http://businessjournaldaily.com/economic-development/city-reviews-tax-abatement-compliance-2012-12-7


Do city officials really think that there will be more hiring of city residents?  Do they not know the demographics of their own city?  Youngstown is where a huge portion of the uncivilized unskilled parasites live, and most neighborhoods have successfully purged themselves of working people who now hail from the suburbs.    The only way to get contributing members of society to move back into Youngstown is by removing the parasites.  Who wants to live in a city where the streets go unpaved and unplowed, where stray bullets fly through the air, where children are forced to mingle with hoodlums in public schools, and where no matter how much investment is put into a house it still will be worth NOTHING?


What Youngstown needs more than anything else is gentrification.  Fortunately its happening downtown and is moving northward. 

[iwasthere]

tt i like those ideas. those ideas made usa a country foriegn people desired to be pt of this grt country.

[Towntalk]

Fine, and while we're at it, abolish social security ... end all forms of welfare ... make it a law that if a family seeks any form of aid that they must surrender everything of any value and place their children in an orphanage ... shut down any private sector agency that helps the poor like the Salvation Army and the Rescue Mission because they encourage depencency ... end agencies like Easter Seals, the American Cancer Society, MDA etc. because they help people making them dependent on the handouts that these agencies offer and outlaw all religions since they are tax exempt. Institute police inspections of the homes of those folks on any form of assistance that comes from tax dollars.

There was a time in America when if a person own a refrigerator or washing machine, or car, or radio, or telephone, or more than two pairs of shoes they had to sell them before they could get welfare. If a father owned two coats, he had to sell one of them. They could not own a home, and their home had to be open to inspection by welfare workers at any time, day or night.

Is that the kind of society you want?

Oh, by the way, lets close down all public schools since families that have no children of school age are forced to pay taxes so that the dependent class can get an education. It's totally unfare that families with no school age children are taxed.

If a child's family can't afford to send them to private schools, then they don't deserve to be educated at the expense of society as a whole.

[iwasthere]

tt poorhouses and workhouses its a start to make people think about jfk adage, "ask what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you".

[Towntalk]

What should the MS person do?

What job would you give a 80 year old lady?

What task would you assign to a blind man?

What job would you give to the vet who comes back absent limbs?

At what age would you exempt people from taxes?

Next lets establish an undeniable fact ... people of all ages pay taxes  ... just because a person is in their 80's does not exempt them from property taxes ... sales taxes.

Just because a father is suffering from Lou Gerick Desease doesn't exempt him from paying taxes.

But I suppose that you would rob the widdowed grandmother of her last penny in the name of "fair share". Make the 85 year old man get a job so that you could pick his pocket in the name of "fair share".

Would you also rob the last piece of bread from an orphened child because that child isn't paying his or her "fair share"?

Should we just move into a world where ... if a person, regardless of their life's circumstance ... doesn't pay their fair share that they would be denied any relief at all ... and be left to starve?

Perhaps you would support "poor houses" and "work houses" where the poor must go to if they can't pay their fair share.

[iwasthere]

tt those inds that you mentioned should do any tasks that the government deemed reasonable accordingly to their status. 

[Towntalk]

Some facts to think about:

  Stay at home mothers pay no city income tax.

• Retirees 70 years of age and older pay no city income tax.
• Physically disabled folks unable to hold down a job do not pay city income tax.
• The clergy and nuns pay no city income tax.

What percentage of Youngstown's total population fall in one of these categories?

They all receive all the same services that the working man and women get.

In effect they do not pay their "fair share" so would you have laws enacted that would force them to pay a percentage of their income in city income tax?

[irishbobcat]

Thanks, Ricky.....I guess you don't have to be a rocket scientist to be a conservative...

[Rick Rowlands]

Tax abatements are caused by Big Bird...

[irishbobcat]

Tax abatements are the fault of the unemployed? Hell, Ricky, why don't you just blame Big Bird as well?

[Rick Rowlands]

A tax abatement is the result of a decision made by government in which they determine that the jobs created by a new business are more important to the govt. and community than the amount of tax money that otherwise would have been generated.  If citizens were not so concerned about jobs, and simply would just resign themselves to living off of government handouts and stop looking for work, governments would not have the pressure to bring new jobs to their communities and tax abatements would cease.

Tax abatements are the fault of the unemployed.

[Towntalk]

iwasthere etc. your complaint is then with the government of the United States of America ... the Congress that writes the tax laws ... and the Constitution of the United States of America that gives Congress the authority to write tax laws.

As to Youngstown granting tax abatements to companies that bring jobs to our city ... prove to me beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt that any of those tax abatements are perminant by citing actual cases where the city has told any company that they would never have to pay taxes of any sort, or the county that did likewise, or the State of Ohio that also did likewise. Site actual cases by naming names of the companies and the dates the abatements were granted, and what the statis is today.

City income tax ... county property tax ... state income tax ... federal income tax ... sales tax ... state unemployment tax ... social security tax ... inventory tax ... license fees

[iwasthere]

fair share is when no one or business is exempt from paying property taxes in which funds our daily safety services. tt ytown has given away the city with tax abatements.

[Towntalk]

That's not what Rick was saying at all. Congress makes the tax code that we all have to live with, not a gaggle of Three Stooges in the Mahoning Valley. You can yammer away till the ducks come home and that won't change so much as a single period on any of the millions of pages of the tax code. Fair share was, is and always will be what Congress on the federal level, and the General Assembly on the state level says it is, and everything else is purely and simply an exercise in futility that gets us nowhere.

[irishbobcat]

Fine, Ricky...you are right....nobody....corporations, companies, and individuals should pay taxes....let's see how this proposal would work....good day.