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Recovery Plan Making Huge Difference for Economy and Working Families

Started by irishbobcat, July 16, 2009, 12:12:40 PM

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sfc_oliver

I swear some people have drank more of the Kool-aide than others. or they are simply blind.

         No Way, Shape, or Form can you spend your way out of debt.

Ask Japan; they tried it for 10 years before they wised up. Or try looking at Spain, they tried it to. Didn't work there either.

Who was it who said "if we don't learn from history, we are destined to repeat it."?

Well here we go.......
<<<)) Sergeant First Class,  US Army, Retired((>>>

irishbobcat


Rick Rowlands

World War II got us out of the depression.  The new deal only extended the misery until WWI began.

Every time there is an economic downturn the government tries bandaid approaches that treats the symptoms instead of curing the illness. This stimulus is just another bandaid.

BTW during the previous administration we had 6 years of economic growth which occurred after a serious terrorist attack on the country.  Thats a pretty good record.


Why?Town

Forgive me for not seeing the "Huge Difference".

Being laid off since January, I can state with absolute certainty that there are fewer potential jobs in this area today than there were 6 months ago.

Dan Moadus

Quote from: sfc_oliver on July 16, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
When your Credit cards are maxed out it is never a good idea to get another credit card.

We cannot spend our way out of this Dennis, And I don't care how many economists say we can.

Deficit has reached over a trillion dollars and projected to hit 2 trillion this fall. That's only a few months from now.

Dennis your great grand children are in debt. And you are still advocating spending even more money that we don't have.

I'm so glad you aren't my accountant. BTW did you know that if you started counting to one trillion you would be dead before getting half way there?
Actually Sarge, you would have to live 96 years just to count to a billion. You would have to live 96,000 years to count to a trillion.

rusty river


sfc_oliver

When your Credit cards are maxed out it is never a good idea to get another credit card.

We cannot spend our way out of this Dennis, And I don't care how many economists say we can.

Deficit has reached over a trillion dollars and projected to hit 2 trillion this fall. That's only a few months from now.

Dennis your great grand children are in debt. And you are still advocating spending even more money that we don't have.

I'm so glad you aren't my accountant. BTW did you know that if you started counting to one trillion you would be dead before getting half way there?
<<<)) Sergeant First Class,  US Army, Retired((>>>

irishbobcat

Recovery Plan Making Huge Difference for Economy and Working Families

Opponents of the federal recovery bill are now already rushing to declare the plan a failure, despite most economists believing that any stimulus was always expected to take time to reverse an economic crisis driven by years of unregulated financial excess and of misguided D.C. fiscal policies.  As a Wall Street Journal report detailed, a survey of 51 economists found that that "53% of respondents said [the recovery plan] has provided somewhat of a boost but that the larger effect is still to come."

Debunking Attacks on Stimulus:  But what is clear is that the recovery plan has already helped the economy avoid an even larger catastrophic tailspin by helping states avoid mass layoffs and allowing them to plan for job creation programs that will bear fruit over the next year.  The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) outlines in Correcting Five Myths About the Stimulus Bill why the critics of the stimulus are ignoring reality and just trying to score political points:

Economist Mark Zandi of Moody's Economy.com has estimated that without the stimulus plan "real GDP would have declined nearly 6% in the second quarter" rather than the 3% decline that is now estimated happened.  Paul Krugman goes further and argues that without the stimulus plan, "we would have had a full Great Depression experience...Deficits, in other words, saved the world."
From the beginning, it was recognized that stimulus money would be spent over two to three years to help sustain long-term economic recovery.  Because economics predict a longer recesssion than normal, Congressional Budget Office head Douglas Elmendorf stated the goal of extended support for the economy; "a fiscal stimulus that ends before the economy has started to regain its footing runs the risk of exacerbating economic weakness when the stimulus ends."
$140 billion for states in support of Medicaid and education sharply reduced the $350 billion budget shortfall states are facing in the next two years, allowing them to avoid laying off teachers, nurses and public safety staff in ways that would only increase unemployment across the country. 
As the Government Accountability Office highlighted in a just released report, states, beyond filling existing budget gaps with stimulus stabilization funds, are required to give priority to projects that can be completed within 3 years and are pursuing projects such as road maintenance and repairs that can deliver job boosts as quickly as possible.

Providing Relief for States and Working Families:  Federal aid, in fact, arrived just in time for states to close 30-40% of state budget shortfalls, according to this report by CBPP.  The report highlights state-by-state the crucial state programs employing people across the country saved from the budget axe because of the recovery plan.

Other reports highlight how the stimulus plan has helped revive summer youth job programs across the country, offsetting massive youth unemployment in the private sector, allowed community colleges to continue providing crucial retraining programs for laid-off workers, expanded weatherization assistance programs to help low-income families reduce energy bills, and provided billions in food support through the food stamps program for those in immediate need.

There are reasonable concerns that economic equity and tracking of the funds would be improved by greater transparency in what states and especially private contractors are doing with the funds.  And given that the economic downturn is far worse than was projected when the recovery plan was first designed, quite a few economists are now arguing for another stimulus.

But none of those broader concerns detract from the critical importance of February's recovery plan for states and working families during the present economic crisis.