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Title: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 12, 2010, 09:23:27 AM
Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Sunday, December 12, 2010  03:01 AM
By Heidi Przybyla and Mike Dorning

Bloomberg News
WASHINGTON — Americans want Congress to bring down a federal budget deficit that many believe is "dangerously out of control" only under two conditions: minimize the pain and make the rich pay.

The public wants Congress to keep its hands off entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security, a Bloomberg National Poll shows. They oppose cuts in most other major domestic programs and defense. They want to maintain subsidies for farmers and tax breaks like the mortgage-interest deduction.

Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 12, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
Of course.  That is human nature.  They want it all and want someone else to pay.  What really is apparent in the poll is that a majority of Americans are reacting to emotions and have not expended much thought about the issue.  The phrasology of the questions also will skew the results of the poll.

This current trend toward scapegoating the rich is eerily similar to the Germans scapegoating of the Jews in the 1930s.   I guess that is human nature as well. 

Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 12, 2010, 10:31:40 AM
Of course the Rich are just "Poor Bystanders"......

They have to have their evil neo-con Republican Senators hold up

unemployment benefits to thousands of struggling poor Americans just so they the

rich get more and more tax breaks......

Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 12, 2010, 06:59:09 PM
Oh how you twist the language...

There are no "more tax breaks" anywhere in the compromise. It is simply extending the EXISTING tax rates.  The only change in tax law is the INCREASE in the estate tax to 35% from ZERO. 

Please, someone who has the ability to reason (that excludes Dennis) explain to me how the hell this country can ever balance the budget on tax increases on the wealthy?  The wealthy do not have enough wealth, even if the government confiscated ALL PROPERTY owned by the top 20% to pay the government's bills for one year, yet we are being led to believe that the land of milk and honey awaits if we only tax the rich more. 



Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 12, 2010, 07:03:55 PM
Days of tax breaks for the rich are over with.......make them pay their fair share.....
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Dan Moadus on December 12, 2010, 07:29:11 PM
Dennis clearly believes in "From each according to their ability; to each, according to their needs" His motto is "Communism only killed a 100,000,000 million people let's give it another chance."
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 12, 2010, 07:59:28 PM
Dan, you don't know diddly about me.....
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Dan Moadus on December 12, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
Oh, but I do.
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 12, 2010, 09:06:23 PM
The homeless go without food. The elderly go without medicine. The mentally ill go without treatment. Veterans go without benefits that were promised them. 60 million men, women and children go without health insurance. 10% go without paychecks. Yet we'll give billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest 2%?
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Dan Moadus on December 12, 2010, 09:13:14 PM
I defy you to show me a single person who can not get food, or medical care. Or show me a single veteran that can not get care. Show me.
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 12, 2010, 09:21:02 PM
The homeless go without food. The elderly go without medicine. The mentally ill go without treatment. Veterans go without benefits that were promised them. 60 million men, women and children go without health insurance. 10% go without paychecks. Yet we'll give billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest 2%?
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Why?Town on December 13, 2010, 06:31:50 AM
Well who could argue with proof like that?

Dennis, Please don't cut and paste that post again, the problem will then be twice as bad.
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 13, 2010, 07:04:23 AM
can't stand the facts?
The homeless go without food. The elderly go without medicine. The mentally ill go without treatment. Veterans go without benefits that were promised them. 60 million men, women and children go without health insurance. 10% go without paychecks. Yet we'll give billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest 2%?


Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 13, 2010, 09:01:20 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ventry-taxes-20101208,0,4631367.story

"White House myopia on tax politics is truly stunning. It's true that some polls have found that a majority of Americans favor Obama's idea of letting the Bush tax cuts "sunset" for the very rich, but there remains a strong reflexive reaction against the idea of tax increases for anyone.

By choosing to engage in class warfare and drawing a $250,000-a-year line in the sand separating the rich from everyone else, the president fueled a simmering debate over what it means to be wealthy in a society in which everyone dreams of climbing the social and economic ladder. Those dreams help explain overwhelming opposition to "death" taxes that affect less than 0.6% of all estates.

Obsessing about the $250,000 threshold meant the president and his lieutenants were constantly using words Americans just don't want to hear: tax increases, no matter how small the group that would be affected."

Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 13, 2010, 10:20:21 AM
Where are our priorities, Neo-Con Rick ?

The homeless go without food. The elderly go without medicine. The mentally ill go without treatment. Veterans go without benefits that were promised them. 60 million men, women and children go without health insurance. 10% go without paychecks. Yet we'll give billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest 2%?
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 13, 2010, 04:56:45 PM
The homeless do not go without food.  Stop by the rescue mission on MLK to see for yourself.  The elderly do not go without medicine.  Medicare and medicaid took care of that.  Veterans do recieve treatment at any number of VA hospitals, go to Belmont Ave. to see it yourself.  Your 60 million figure is misleading at best.  What the CDC says is that 60 million people have had gaps in coverage over the course of a year. That could mean anything.  A gap implies that there is insurance coverage at both ends of the gap.  10% go without paychecks?  Actually that number is really 5% since 5% unemployment is considered full employment.

What are our priorities?  Freedom, Liberty, the right to own property, the right for all Americans, regardless of color, creed or INCOME LEVEL, to be treated fairly and equally.  Those should be our priorities! 
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 13, 2010, 06:11:29 PM
Your dog don't hunt, Ricky-Poo......
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 13, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Read this Denny-poo, if you can.  Has some big words in it.

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/thank-god-for-rich-people/
Title: Re: Let rich pay to fix deficit, say Americans
Post by: irishbobcat on December 14, 2010, 11:45:48 AM
Figures you'd like it....written by another fat cat evil NEO-CON!