I saw this YFD crew at the Paramount Theater today at around 1:00 p.m. At one point, the ladder was extended all the way to the roof.
What was going on there Greg?
Rumor is someone(current owner or city?) wants to do an emergency tear down of the building.
Lou Frangos is the current owner.
If the building is still structurally sound, it's a shame that an
investor can't be found to do something with the place.
Steve - good job, as usual
:)
This building is so amazing inside, but it's beyond repairs or needs a very wealthy benefactor to restore this beautiful building. Went in with the owner of the building and a few others in 2007. Theres a bus size hole in the ceiling, black mole, mildew the works all over the walls, the metal supports are dangling on the first floor and the mezzazine (sp) can't support any weight of a person without bowing in or attempting to collapse. The building has been exposed to the harsh Youngstown elements and I fear is beyond repair. I was dealing quite a bit with the building when Paul Warshauer was in the city with false hopes of restoring the building. He skipped town a few months after he realized no one in Youngstown would willingly give their money to him without signs of progress. A rumor was that Frangos wanted to make it into a parking deck but attempt to keep the shell of the building. When I called him about it he said he wasn't sure what he was going to do with the building and left it at that.
I've also been inside the Paramount Theater, around the same time Jaime was. I agree that, even then, there wasn't anything salvageable inside. (except maybe some of the original seats in the balcony) But, I also felt that the building was probably structurally sound. (I would only be concerned where the structure meets the walls - there was no evidence of a problem, but that area should be looked at more closely.) The wood floor of the balcony was bad in some spots, but the wood floor is built over a concrete floor. While up there, I never felt in danger of falling through, or that the whole balcony was shaky. The dangling metal supports were just for the plaster, and were never structural. Any mold or mildew wouldn't be an issue, because everything needs taken back to the structure and shell anyway.
Even a parking deck would cool, if the outsides and the facade of the
building were preserved - maybe a historic site plaque on the front
face of the building to tell folks the history of the place.
It would certainly save Federal Street from having another missing
tooth...
if lou frango wants it torn down let him tear it done himself and not the city. how many downtown bldgs does this fraud owns while he allows them to crumb down all around the downtown area.
a few pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/7644672@N04/tags/theater/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7644672@N04/tags/theater/) from 2006 I think
Does anyone have photos of the beautiful sides of the arm rests that I saw on the balcony? :-)
lynds why does not the city leaders put lou frango's feet to the fire to keep this place from deteriorating any more further from no point to return for rehab? i saw the photos that made my bp go up ten points that put me into a sugar shock. thank god for george mckelvey was near-by to help me to bring my bp down to normal and rushgal gave me a spoonful of sugar to bring me out of sugar shock. frds like that who needs national healthcare.
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missed the boat----ok ..That's right iwasthere I got ya back. I say we storm the place in order to save some history. This Frangos character does not care, so we must not fall into his small mentality of thinking. We will take back what is ours--the citzens of Y-town will prevail. --Let us round up and prepare the fight..
PS Can we repel off the roof???? 8)
I'm not sure Iwasthere. From what I understand Frangos bought the building in 2006 from Ohio One Corp, who bought the building in 1985, the building had been vacant since 1978. The pictures that I posted are from 2004 and 2006, right after Frangos purchased the property. I am not 100% sure of how it all went down I've read articles that state the Frangos Group / Grand Venues had plans to restore a majority of the building, after the initial purchase architects were hired to come in an the estimate the cost of the project...its seems that the plans stopped there, my guess is that the original 2 million estimate was wildly incorrect and from there the Frangos group ate the 80k they spent on buying the building.
when you say City leaders are you referring to Council? MOST of the members have only been in one term, they were elected to office around the time Frangos bought the building and are now going into their second term.
a few years ago after the closing of the Bean Counter (sign of the cross) I looked into this pretty deep. My personal opinion is that: The City of Youngstown hit a point were financially they could not take ownership of all these historic Downtown buildings (most of which were \vacant from the early 80's) Frangos came in during a buyers market and bought them all up...what was the City to do, stop him? the current building owners not sell these crumbling buildings? ( Ohio One bought the Paramount in 1985 for 26k) for not doing anything with it they were able to sell a deplorable building for upwards of 80k.
Now that things are beginning to swing our way we are in a situation where most of these buildings (with the exception of the Reality) are in such conditions that it will take upwards of 5 million to repair them...how do you light a fire under someone to spend 5 million?
Iwasthere, I would love to head up some type of campaign to try to save this building...I will see if I can find out whats going on with it to date... I am almost 100% positive the west wall will be coming down before the end of the summer, the facade will stay and there are talks of turning the remaining structure into an outdoor amphitheater
this was an article from last year http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/jun/04/youngstown-officials-take-first-step-to-raze/?newswatch (http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/jun/04/youngstown-officials-take-first-step-to-raze/?newswatch)
So that all parties aren't treated unfairly, here is an old Vindy article giving a little more history behind the Paramount's ownership:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2006/may/03/paramount-theater-buyer-visualizes-performing-arts/
I'm posting this because the Ohio One Corp. didn't have posession of the building for a number of years while most of the deterioration happened. And, Lou Frangos seems to have inherited the building from Paul Warshauer after Paul skipped town.
Perhaps the city could start a campaign to actively court new
investors to buy these buildings from the Frangos croup and
do something with them?
The downtown is slowly coming back to life - at some point, it
will reach the critical mass required to attract new investors.
When Hazel street extension is completed, it will create an
open walking corridor between the university and the downtown
area.
If the business incubator continues to grow, they will need more
office space - perhaps the city could work in partnership with the
YBI to try and get future businesses spawned in the incubator
to setup shop in some of these buildings?
Just some ideas - I am no economic expert.
Quote from: westsider on May 25, 2010, 03:01:09 PM
I'm posting this because the Ohio One Corp. didn't have possession of the building for a number of years while most of the deterioration happened. And, Lou Frangos seems to have inherited the building from Paul Warshauer after Paul skipped town.
I agree, I think Rich Mills and Ohio One has done wonderful things Downtown, just ate lunch at The End of the Tunnel today! he is one of Downtowns strongest allies.
@ Allen
I know the Regional Chamber is spearheading a few projects like that, they just had some investors in from a large company a few weeks ago. check out there relocation services here: http://regionalchamber.com/CommunitySupport/RelocationServices.aspx (http://regionalchamber.com/CommunitySupport/RelocationServices.aspx)
Hazel Street walking corridor? I'm in excellent health and I would not walk from downtown up Hazel Street to YSU if I could avoid it. Thats a heck of a climb.
I think the open area is a great idea. Keep the facade, but the rest of the building has to go.
And while your at it, sandblast the walls to spruce them up, get rid if the so-called murals, and that marque frame, and the painted over glass in the windows. ( In other words a total makeover so that it has street appeal.)
It would also be helpful if some craftsman could reproduce the lamps that were on the the building. here were 5 of them. At the top were 5 vases when it was the Liberty Theater.
that pictue is beautiful
I also believe that the basement of the building is not just a usual basement. Is this portion salvagable also? I know that during the prohibition era, they used the basement as a bar and I believe there were shops down there also. If this building could be made into an outdoor theatre, is there anyway to save the basement and use that to tie into the theatre? I think it would be such a crazy/creative idea to have something going on in the basement also as well above. Just a thought :)
According to J. G. Butler's "History of Youngstown and the Mahoning Valley" Vol. 2, pg. 146, Christopher Deibel organized a corporation that purchased the Excelsior Block, had it torn down and the Liberty Theater was built on the location in 1918. He also owned the Dome theater located a couple of doors up West Federal Street.
The original seating capacity for the Liberty was 1,800 and when it was first built, it was one of the most beautiful theaters of its size in the United States according to Butler, but I suspect that was an exaggeration on his part.
When I went in, a coworker went in with me. After examining a piece of plaster molding that had fallen, he commented that the plaster was thinner than he was used to seeing. (I would consider him an expert on old theaters) While this is only a single example, it might indicate that the level of finish, at least on the interior of the Paramount, wasn't top-of-the-line.
I only share this tidbit so we might know that, while maintaining a street presence is important,and the front of the building should be saved, the loss of the interior wasn't like losing a national treasure.
The plaster may have been only one coat work, or two coat.
One coat work is considered inferior, and suitable for something
like an outbuilding or a utility room, where it would not be seen
much.
Two coat work was considered acceptable for upstairs rooms
in a residence, etc where there was limited traffic.
Three coat work was considered to be the best, and preferred
type of plastering for public areas of residences, and for public
venues.
Did the theater have steel lathe, or wood?
I think the theater had steel lathe. But I was referring to a piece of fallen molding with the burlap/canvas (whatever the reinforcing material was...) still attached. It was something like an "egg and dart" molding. The plaster was thin, which meant the detail couldn't be very deep.