Mahoning Valley Forum

Sherry Linkon, YSU Center for Working Class Studies

Charles McCollister (labor historian from Pittsburgh, part of shut down fights and professor at Indiana University of Pennsylvania)

Mike Stout - musician and former head steward at Homestead Works and now worker-owner of printing co-op in Pittsburgh.
                         

Oh darn, at 7 pm I'll be too busy acting like a member of the working class to sit around with a bunch of intellectuals talking about it.

God forbid a conservative actually sitting down with a bunch of intellectuals and having a discussion....he might learn something and denounce conservatisim...

So what's so evil about doing an honest days work rather that sitting around feeding at the public troft?

Even liberals believe in an honest days work.

Missed Rick at tonight's talk on how the Labor-Green Alliance will eventually win out over the conservative policies of Reagan, Bush, and Dubya.........

Saw many Green Party members in attendance........building for the future.....

Progressive Democrats  vote Green in 2010~~~~~~~~

Yep sorry I couldn't make it but concrete forms don't get built by themselves.  Also had a couple of unexpected guests, so a very productive evening.

First off why do some working-class guys vote for the corporate class? It's because they are corporate tools and love bending over for the boss.The GOP fired their facts checkers years ago and hate intellectuals. This event featured Mike Stout and Charlie McCollister two guys who spent time working at Pittsburgh area steel mills which makes them working-class not intellectuals.
 
I've know both of them for over a decade and they tell it like it is. Unfortunately, some people can't handle the truth.

I thought Dan Moadus might make a 17th congressional campaign stop to learn about the future of the working class------but then I forgot, he's out to destroy it!

How the liberals love to classify people.  Now we have a new class, the "corporate class".  If you must put me into one of your pigeonholes then put me in the "government leave me alone, I can handle my own life" class! 

To hate the government is self-loathing as we are the government. We just need to remind those folks who think they "represent" us. Instead we  have let them represent corporate interests and get away with it. These corporations are globalist with no U.S. loyalty as they export jobs. One cannot let the government "leave me alone" when we are the government. If you don't know their is a corporate class and their toadies you are in the "complacent class" and thus a toadie. If the pigeon hole fits wear it.

elecpencil,
           There is a grass roots movement that has been telling our representatives how we feel about this healthcare being ramrodded through congress. They are being called everything from AstroTurf to Nazis by those same representatives.

And the shame of those evil corporations actually giving people jobs and paying them a living wage.

Only in America.........................

God, it hurts my heart knowing that this individual has anything to do with teaching our youth.

I think he's unemployed now from Brookfield, but is he still a Struthers school board member?

Don't have a heart attack, Everett........my god, a soldier with a thin skin.....

Quote from: Rick Rowlands on August 06, 2009, 03:31:12 PM
I think he's unemployed now from Brookfield, but is he still a Struthers school board member?

Unfortunately

Board of Education Members
Dean Burns (President) nssvp@aol.com
Sheri L. Noble
David Barone baronedavid@sbcglobal.net
Robert W. Noble, Jr. (Vice-President) robert.noble@teacher.com
Dennis S. Spisak spikespisak@aol.com

SFC Oliver ~The Teabaggers are not a grass roots movement. They are puppets being led by corporate tools like Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey. These two former "represenatives" think of teabaggers as, "Good little pawns." Armey is a lobbyist for big corporations most of which benefited by the bailouts. Check out the facts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-OWDjOQfI

Evil corporations giving people jobs? Where have you been? Most of the corporations left are in the service sector and don't pay a livable wage. Most have left for Chinacom or have you been taking long naps? I find corporations that export jobs, get bailed out and give their CEO's bonuses evil. I don't consider corpoarte welfare for criminals to be American. I am sorry that you do.

The students, parents, and citizens of Struthers are better represented by having my open-mindedness sitting on the board than your closed minded conservative views, Everett. Your views may play in Conservative-playland, but not middle America.......

You got free time, run for the board this November, you have until August 20th to collect 25 signatures......if you can.....

Ah elecpencil, I'm so sorry you actually believe that MSNBC tells the truth.

    It's Tea Party movement not Teabaggers as the left wing media claims. And it is a grass roots which some have attached themselves to. And it included protesting about Bush's waste of TARP funding also.

And gee my son works for a Corporation that actually makes parts for Nuclear Reactors and sells them to France and China. Made right here in the valley. I would be willing to bet most corporations have never sent a job overseas.

Quote from: irishbobcat on August 06, 2009, 05:06:37 PM
The students, parents, and citizens of Struthers are better represented by having my open-mindedness sitting on the board than your closed minded conservative views, Everett. Your views may play in Conservative-playland, but not middle America.......

You got free time, run for the board this November, you have until August 20th to collect 25 signatures......if you can.....

Now why would I want to do that? I have already turned down 6th ward council in Youngstown and council here in Lowellville.

I actually am intelligent enough to know that I do not belong on any Board of Education, Though I was responsible for 300 Students for 2 years.

  Don't talk yourself out of a job.

Dear sfc Oliver~ Teabaggers grass roots? You mean they have grass stains on their pants knees from groveling at the feet of corporations and the GOP that shills for the corporations. You actually believe that not many companies have  sent jobs overseas? What planet are you on? Here is a partial list of companies that have sent jobs overseas:
A
Aalfs Manufacturing
Aavid Thermal Technologies
ABC-NACO
Accenture
Access Electronics
Accuride Corporation
Accuride International
Adaptec
ADC
Adobe Systems
Advanced Energy Industries
Aetna
Affiliated Computer Services
AFS Technologies
A.G. Edwards
Agere Systems
Agilent Technologies
AIG
Alamo Rent A Car
Albany International Corp.
Albertson's
Alcoa
Alcoa Fujikura
Allen Systems Group
Alliance Semiconductor
Allstate
Alpha Thought Global
Altria Group
Amazon.com
AMD
Americ Disc
American Dawn
American Express
American Greetings
American Household
American Management Systems
American Standard
American Uniform Company
AMETEK
AMI DODUCO
Amloid Corporation
Amphenol Corporation
Analog Devices
Anchor Glass Container
ANDA Networks
Anderson Electrical Products
Andrew Corporation
Anheuser-Busch
Angelica Corporation
Ansell Health Care
Ansell Protective Products
Anvil Knitwear
AOL
A.O. Smith
Apple
Applied Materials
Ark-Les Corporation
Arlee Home Fashions
Art Leather Manufacturing
Artex International
ArvinMeritor
Asco Power Technologies
Ashland
AstenJohnson
Asyst Technologies
Atchison Products, Inc.
A.T. Cross Company
AT&T
AT&T Wireless
A.T. Kearney
Augusta Sportswear
Authentic Fitness Corporation
Automatic Data Processing
Avanade
Avanex
Avaya
Avery Dennison
Azima Healthcare Services
Axiohm Transaction Solutions

B
Bank of America
Bank of New York
Bank One
Bard Access Systems
Barnes Group
Barth & Dreyfuss of California
Bass
Bassett Furniture
Bassler Electric Company
BBi Enterprises L.P.
Beacon Blankets
BearingPoint
Bear Stearns
BEA Systems
Bechtel
Becton Dickinson
BellSouth
Bentley Systems
Berdon LLP
Berne Apparel
Bernhardt Furniture
Best Buy
Bestt Liebco Corporation
Beverly Enterprises
Birdair, Inc.
BISSELL
Black & Decker
Blauer Manufacturing
Blue Cast Denim
Bobs Candies
Borden Chemical
Bourns
Bose Corporation
Bowater
BMC Software
Boeing
Braden Manufacturing
Briggs Industries
Brady Corporation
Bristol-Myers Squibb
Bristol Tank & Welding Co.
Brocade
Brooks Automation
Brown Wooten Mills Inc.
Buck Forkardt, Inc.
Bumble Bee
Burle Industries
Burlington House Home Fashions
Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway

C
Cadence Design Systems
Camfil Farr
Candle Corporation
Cains Pickles
Capital One
Cardinal Brands
Carrier
Carter's
Caterpillar
C-COR.net
C&D Technologies
Cellpoint Systems
Cendant
Centis, Inc.
Cerner Corporation
Charles Schwab
ChevronTexaco
The Cherry Corporation
CIBER
Ciena
Cigna
Circuit City
Cirrus Logic
Cisco Systems
Citigroup
Clear Pine Mouldings
Clorox
CNA
Coastcast Corp.
Coca-Cola
Cognizant Technology Solutions
Collins & Aikman
Collis, Inc.
Columbia House
Comcast Holdings
Comdial Corporation
Computer Associates
Computer Horizons
Computer Sciences Corporation
CompuServe
Concise Fabricators
Conectl Corporation
Conseco
Consolidated Metro
Continental Airlines
Convergys
Cooper Crouse-Hinds
Cooper Tire & Rubber
Cooper Tools
Cooper Wiring Devices
Copperweld
Cordis Corporation
Corning
Corning Cable Systems
Corning Frequency Control
Countrywide Financial
COVAD Communications
Covansys
Creo Americas
Cross Creek Apparel
Crouzet Corporation
Crown Holdings
CSX
Cummins
Cutler-Hammer
Cypress Semiconductor

D
Dana Corporation
Daniel Woodhead
Davis Wire Corp.
Daws Manufacturing
Dayton Superior
DeCrane Aircraft
Delco Remy
Dell Computer
DeLong Sportswear
Delphi
Delta Air Lines
Delta Apparel
Dexter
Direct TV
Discover
DJ Orthopedics
Document Sciences Corporation
Dometic Corp.
Donaldson Company
Douglas Furniture of California
Dow Chemical
Dresser
Dun & Bradstreet
DuPont

E
Earthlink
Eastman Kodak
Eaton Corporation
Edco, Inc.
Editorial America
eFunds
Edscha
Ehlert Tool Company
Elbeco Inc.
Electroglas
Electronic Data Systems
Electronics for Imaging
Electro Technology
Eli Lilly
Elmer's Products
E-Loan
EMC
Emerson Electric
Emerson Power Transmission
Emglo Products
Engel Machinery
En Pointe Technologies
Equifax
Ernst & Young
Essilor of America
Ethan Allen
Evenflo
Evergreen Wholesale Florist
Evolving Systems
Evy of California
Expedia
Extrasport
ExxonMobil

F
Fairfield Manufacturing
Fair Isaac
Fansteel Inc.
Farley's & Sathers Candy Co.
Fasco Industries
Fawn Industries
Fayette Cotton Mill
FCI USA
Fedders Corporation
Federal Mogul
Federated Department Stores
Fellowes
Fender Musical Instruments
Fidelity Investments
Financial Techologies International
Findlay Industries
First American Title Insurance
First Data
First Index
Fisher Hamilton
Fisher Price
Flowserve
Fluor
FMC Corporation
Fontaine International
Ford Motor
Foster Wheeler
Franklin Mint
Franklin Templeton
Freeborders
Frito Lay
Fruit of the Loom

G
Garan Manufacturing
Gateway
GE Capital
GE Medical Systems
Gemtron Corporation
General Binding Corporation
General Cable Corp.
General Electric
General Motors
Generation 2 Worldwide
Genesco
Georgia-Pacific
Gerber Childrenswear
GlobespanVirata
Goldman Sachs
Gold Toe Brands
Goodrich
Goodyear Tire & Rubber
Google
Graphic Controls
Greenpoint Mortgage
Greenwood Mills
Grote Industries
Grove U.S. LLC
Guardian Life Insurance
Guilford Mills
Gulfstream Aerospace Corp.

H
Haggar
Halliburton
Hamilton Beach/Procter-Silex
The Hartford Financial Services Group
Harper-Wyman Company
Hasbro Manufacturing Services
Hawk Corporation
Hawker Power Systems, Inc.
Haworth
Headstrong
HealthAxis
Hedstrom
Hein-Werner Corp.
Helen of Troy
Helsapenn Inc.
Hershey
Hewitt Associates
Hewlett-Packard
Hoffman Enclosures, Inc.
Hoffman/New Yorker
The Holmes Group
Home Depot
Honeywell
HSN
Hubbell Inc.
Huffy
Humana
Hunter Sadler
Hutchinson Sealing Systems, Inc
HyperTech Solutions

I
IBM
iGate Corporation
Illinois Tool Works
IMI Cornelius
Imperial Home Decor Group
Indiana Knitwear Corp.
IndyMac Bancorp
Infogain
Ingersoll-Rand
Innodata Isogen
Innova Solutions
Insilco Technologies
Intel
InterMetro Industries
International Paper
Interroll Corporation
Intuit
Invacare
Iris Graphics, Inc.
Isola Laminate Systems
Iteris Holdings, Inc.
ITT Educational Services
ITT Industries

J
Jabil Circuit
Jacobs Engineering
Jacuzzi
Jakel, Inc.
JanSport
Jantzen Inc.
JDS Uniphase
Jockey International
John Crane
John Deere
Johns Manville
Johnson Controls
Johnson & Johnson
JPMorgan Chase
J.R. Simplot
Juniper Networks
Justin Brands

K
KANA Software
Kaiser Permanente
Kanbay
Kayby Mills of North Carolina
Keane
Kellogg
Kellwood
KEMET
KEMET Electronics
Kendall Healthcare
Kenexa
Kentucky Apparel
Kerr-McGee Chemical
KeyCorp
Key Industries
Key Safety Systems
Key Tronic Corp.
Kimberly-Clark
KLA-Tencor
Knight Textile Corp.
Kojo Worldwide Corporation
Kraft Foods
K2 Inc.
Kulicke and Soffa Industries
Kwikset

L
Lancer Partnership
Lander Company
LaCrosse Footwear
Lamb Technicon
Lau Industries
Lands' End
Lawson Software
Layne Christensen
Leach International
Lear Corporation
Leech Tool & Die Works
Lehman Brothers
Leoni Wiring Systems
Levi Strauss
Leviton Manufacturing Co.
Lexmark International
Lexstar Technologies
Liebert Corporation
Lifescan
Lillian Vernon
Linksys
Linq Industrial Fabrics, Inc.
Lionbridge Technologies
Lionel
Littelfuse
LiveBridge
LNP Engineering Plastics
Lockheed Martin
Longaberger
Louisiana-Pacific Corporation
Louisville Ladder Group LLC
Lowe's
Lucent
Lund International
Lyall Alabama

M
Madill Corporation
Magma Design Automation
Magnequench
Magnetek
Maidenform
Mallinckrodt, Inc.
The Manitowoc Company
Manugistics
Marathon Oil
Maritz
Mars
Marshall Fields
Mattel
Master Lock
Materials Processing, Inc.
Maxim Integrated Products
Maxi Switch
Maxxim Medical
Maytag
McDATA Corporation
McKinsey & Company
MeadWestvaco
Mediacopy
Medtronic
Mellon Bank
Mentor Graphics Corp.
Meridian Automotive Systems
Merit Abrasive Products
Merrill Corporation
Merrill Lynch
Metasolv
MetLife
Micro Motion, Inc.
Microsoft
Midcom Inc.
Midwest Electric Products
Milacron
Modern Plastics Technics
Modine Manufacturing
Moen
Money's Foods Us Inc.
Monona Wire Corp.
Monsanto
Morgan Stanley
Motion Control Industries
Motor Coach Industries International
Motorola
Mrs. Allison's Cookie Co.
Mulox

N
Nabco
Nabisco
NACCO Industries
National City Corporation
National Electric Carbon Products
National Life
National Semiconductor
NCR Corporation
neoIT
NETGEAR
Network Associates
New Balance
Newell Rubbermaid
Newell Window Furnishings
New World Pasta
New York Life Insurance
Nice Ball Bearings
Nike
Nordstrom
Northrop Grumman
Northwest Airlines
Nu Gro Technologies
Nu-kote International
NutraMax Products
Nypro Alabama

O
O'Bryan Brothers Inc.
Ocwen Financial
Office Depot
Ogden Manufacturing
Oglevee, Ltd
Ohio Art
Ohmite Manufacturing Co.
Old Forge Lamp & Shade
Omniglow Corporation
ON Semiconductor
Orbitz
Oracle
OshKosh B'Gosh
Otis Elevator
Outsource Partners International
Owens-Brigam Medical Co.
Owens Corning
Oxford Automotive
Oxford Industries

P
Pacific Precision Metals
Pak-Mor Manufacturing
palmOne
Parallax Power Components
Paramount Apparel
Parker-Hannifin
Parsons E&C
Paxar Corporation
Pearson Digital Learning
Peavey Electronics CorporationÊÊ
PeopleSoft
PepsiCo
Pericom Semiconductor
PerkinElmer
PerkinElmer Life Sciences, Inc.
Perot Systems
Pfaltzgraff
Pfizer
Phillips-Van Heusen
Pinnacle West Capital Corporation
Pitney Bowes
Plaid Clothing Company
Planar Systems
Plexus
Pliant Corporation
PL Industries
Polaroid
Polymer Sealing Solutions
Portal Software
Portex, Inc.
Portola Packaging
Port Townsend Paper Corp.
Power One
Pratt & Whitney
Price Pfister
priceline.com
Pridecraft Enterprises
Prime Tanning
Primus Telecom
Procter & Gamble
Progress Lighting
ProQuest
Providian Financial
Prudential Insurance

Q
Quaker Oats
Quadion Corporation
Quantegy
Quark
Qwest Communications

R
Radio Flyer
Radio Shack
Rainbow Technologies
Rawlings Sporting Goods
Rayovac
Raytheon Aircraft
RCG Information Technology
Red Kap
Regal-Beloit Corporation
Regal Rugs
Respiratory Support Products
Regence Group
R.G. Barry Corp.
Rich Products
River Holding Corp.
Robert Mitchell Co., Inc.
Rockwell Automations
Rockwell Collins
Rogers
Rohm & Haas
Ropak Northwest
RR Donnelley & Sons
Rugged Sportswear
Russell Corporation

S
S1 Corporation
S & B Engineers and Constructors
Sabre
Safeway
SAIC
Sallie Mae
Samsonite
Samuel-Whittar, Inc.
Sanford
Sanmina-SCI
Sapient
Sara Lee
Saturn Electronics & Engineering
SBC Communications
Schumacher Electric
Scientific Atlanta
Seal Glove Manufacturing
Seco Manufacturing Co.
SEI Investments
Sequa Corporation
Seton Company
Sheldahl Inc.
Shipping Systems, Inc.
Siebel Systems
Sierra Atlantic
Sights Denim Systems, Inc.
Signal Transformer
Signet Armorlite, Inc
Sikorsky
Silicon Graphics
Simula Automotive SafetyÊ
SITEL
Skyworks Solutions
SMC Networks
SML Labels
SNC Manufacturing CompanyÊ
SoftBrands
Sola Optical USA
Solectron
Sonoco Products Co.
Southwire Company
Sovereign Bancorp
Spectrum Control
Spicer Driveshaft Manufacturing
Springs Industries
Springs Window Fashions
Sprint
Sprint PCS
SPX Corporation
Square D
Standard Textile Co.
Stanley Furniture
Stanley Works
Stant Manufacturing
Starkist Seafood
State Farm Insurance
State Street
Steelcase
StorageTek
StrategicPoint Investment Advisors
Strattec Security Corp.
STS Apparel Corporation
Summitville Tiles
Sun Microsystems
Sunrise Medical
SunTrust Banks
Superior Uniform Group
Supra Telecom
Sure Fit
SurePrep
The Sutherland Group
Sweetheart Cup Co.
Swift Denim
Sykes Enterprises
Symbol Technologies
Synopsys
Synygy

T
Takata Retraint Systems
Target
Teccor Electronics
Techalloy Company, Inc.
Technotrim
Tecumseh
Tee Jays Manufacturing
Telcordia
Telect
Teleflex
TeleTech
Telex Communications
Tellabs
Tenneco Automotive
Teradyne
Texaco Exploration and Production
Texas Instruments
Textron
Thermal Industries
Therm-O-Disc, Inc.
Thomas & Betts
Thomasville Furniture
Thomas Saginaw Ball Screw Co.
Three G's Manufacturing Co.
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans
Time Warner
Tingley Rubber Corp.
The Timken Company
The Toro Company
Tomlinson Industries
Tower Automotive
Toys "R" Us
Trailmobile Trailer
Trans-Apparel Group
TransPro, Inc.
Trans Union
Travelocity
Trek Bicycle Corporation
Trend Technologies
TriMas Corp.
Trinity Industries
Triquint Semiconductor
TriVision Partners
Tropical Sportswear
TRW Automotive
Tumbleweed Communications
Tupperware
Tyco Electronics
Tyco International

U
UCAR Carbon Company
Underwriters Laboratories
UniFirst Corporation
Union Pacific Railroad
Unison Industries
Unisys
United Airlines
UnitedHealth Group Inc.
United Online
United Plastics Group
United States Ceramic Tile
United Technologies
Universal Lighting Technologies
USAA

V
Valence Technology
Valeo Climate Control
VA Software
Velvac
Vertiflex Products
Veritas
Verizon
VF Corporation
Viasystems
Vishay
Visteon
VITAL Sourcing

W
Wabash Alloys, L.L.C.
Wabash Technologies
Wachovia Bank
Walgreens
Walls Industries
Warnaco
Washington Group International
Washington Mutual
WebEx
WellChoice
Wellman Thermal Systems
Walls Industries
Werner Co.
West Corporation
Weavexx
Weiser Lock
West Point Stevens
Weyerhaeuser
Whirlpool
White Rodgers
Williamson-Dickie Manufacturing Company
Winpak Films
Wolverine World Wide
Woodstock Wire Works
WorldCom
World Kitchen
Wyeth
Wyman-Gordon Forgings

X
Xerox
Xpectra Incorporated
Xpitax

Y
Yahoo!
Yarway Corporation
York International

Z
Zenith
ZettaWorks

Zing!!!

Wow, some of the largest companies in the entire world have factories and offices in places other than the USA. How dare they.

I could waste my time and research these companies, But my bet is that many of them do business in the country where they have "non-American" employees. Like maybe Coca-Cola figures maybe since it sells its product all over the world it could have manufacturing and distribution in more than one place. But you wouldn't count that as being fair would you.

Give me a break, everyone who has manufacturing overseas or offices overseas is not guilty of a crime or even of being unfair to the USA. You don't like it Boycott those companies. My bet is you can't do without them.

BTW I could have just as easily gone and looked at a link.

U.S. Economy Lost 247,000 Jobs in July

The pace of job losses in the United States slowed more than
expected in July and the unemployment rate dropped for the
first time since April 2008, the latest indication that
recession was easing. The economy lost 247,000 in July, after
a 443,000 loss in June, the Labor Department said. The
jobless rate dropped to 9.4 percent from 9.5 percent.

Still this doesn't tell the whole story, but only two months. What about the job losses for January thru May?

For June and July there were a total of 690000 jobs lost.

Tim Ryan just accused me on WKBN of being a part of an organized right wing group because I disagree with the health care proposal.  Now I supposed I am accused here of being a part of a right wing group because I want to attend the next local TEA Party.  Who has been signing me up for these groups and not telling me about it? 

Like I've said before, liberals just have to classify people.  They cannot think of people as individuals with original thoughts and ideas.

SFC Oliver ~ Maybe you worship the corporations as your master and overlord but not me. I can do without any of these companies. I don't shop at WalMart, Sam's Club and dollar stores so I'm able to avoid the bulk of sweatshop goods. As a consumer as I've gotten older I find I really don't need much. 

Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. I'm saying these US companies have no loyalty to this country like you'd expect from a US citizen. As a citizen if I polluted US water, air and soil at !% of what these companies did I'd be in jail. So much for corporations being my fellow citizens.

No one knows how many service jobs have been outsourced abroad, because U.S. companies are not required to keep such statistics. However, Boston-based consultancy Forrester estimates that jobs leave the U.S. at a rate of 12,000 to 15,000 per month. While other sources believe 20,000 jobs a month may be moving overseas. These numbers are in addition to the 2 million manufacturing jobs that moved offshore from 1983-2000. By 2015, Forrester predicts 3.3 million service jobs will have moved offshore as well.

As American jobs flee the country, so are American industries. Entire industries have been transferred overseas. I guess it's all good in your book until your son's Nuclear Reactor job moves to China where they are buying the product anyway. Then you'll say, "Wow what is with all these U.S. companies exporting our jobs?" Typical conservative who won't see any problems until they are so far down that they have to jump up to see the bottom.

That's ok elecpencil, your Lord and Master Mr Obama will double those jobs that either leave the country or simply cease to exist. Keep raising taxes on the people who create the jobs and see where they go.

Even Donald Trump is pulling out of New York because of the taxes.

And by the way I have been looking for a Pizza cutter made in the USA, Haven't found one yet. I do buy American when I can.

Sarge ~ First off I voted for Nader. I'm happy to hook anyone up with a USA made product. Here ya go on the pizza cutter: http://www.amazon.com/Rada-Cutlery-Cutter-Aluminum-Handle/dp/B000MW2AS6

The people who create the jobs won't have their taxes raised as they pay no taxes now. Two-thirds of U.S. corporations paid no federal income taxes between 1998 and 2005, according to a new report from Congress.

The study by the Government Accountability Office said about 68 percent of foreign companies doing business in the U.S. avoided corporate taxes over the same period.

Collectively, the companies reported trillions of dollars in sales, according to GAO's estimate.

People's taxes always get raised because the corporations are all getting welfare and someone has to pay to keep propping up this failed capitalism. Each year, U.S. taxpayers subsidize U.S. businesses to the tune of almost $125 billion, the equivalent of all the income tax paid by 60 million individuals and families.

And yet the top 1% of earners pay 40% of the taxes? You would think they would have some type of gripe about this. Sorry but the numbers simply do not come together for me.

2/3 of Coprs pay no taxes yet 1% of the top pay 40%. Something is definitely wrong here.

I'm serious about the Pizza cutter, I'll check it out.


(order placed for pizza cutter.)

2/3 of companies paying no taxes is definitely wrong to happen but it does: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=5561455

Extremely high-income returns are more likely to have income from capital gains and dividends, not necessarily profits from a company they own. The Internal Revenue Service estimates that it is able to accurately tax 99 percent of wage income but that it captures only about 70 percent of business and investment income, most of which flows to upper-income individuals, because not everybody accurately reports such figures.

Corporate tax contributions as a percent of overall federal revenue have been declining for fifty years and now stand at 7.4% despite massive record profits. I don't believe that unearned income" (dividends, interest, capital gains) should be taxed lower than earned income, meaning actual work. Unearned income involves passive income, including inheritances and windfalls, while people actually doing work  involves physical wear, sweat and blood many times under unsafe conditions, for these earnings.

I love how working-class conservatives always want to take up the defense of the rich. They laugh at you all the way to the bank.

If all this is true then it is the taxman who has the problem and this is where any increase in revenue needs to come from. Close the loop holes if that's what it is, But it still holds true that as taxes go up so does either prices or unemployment.

BTW:

Delivery estimate: August 13, 2009 - August 18, 2009
Shipping estimate for these items: August 10, 2009 - August 11, 2009
   1    "Rada Cutlery Deluxe Vegetable Peeler, Aluminum Handle, Made in USA"
$7.90

  Sold by: Mountain Laurel Mercantile
   1    "Rada Cutlery Regular Paring Knife, Aluminum Handle, Made in USA"
$4.95

  Sold by: Mountain Laurel Mercantile
   1    "Rada Cutlery Pizza Cutter, Aluminum Handle, Made in USA"
$11.50

  Sold by: Mountain Laurel Mercantile


Thank you for the link.

Any corporate taxes paid are passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices.

But aside from that, why can't this government run its affairs for the Trillion or so dollars it takes in every year already?  Why does it need more than that? 

You call capitalism "failed" but it is capitalism that is providing all the money to keep your beloved government afloat.  Can you see the irony in that? 

Rick~ I'm willing to pay higher prices for USA made goods. If something is to high priced consumers won't buy it so corporations will have to lower the price and realize they don't have to make 300% profit on everything they make. It's call the law of supply and demand. Two -thirds of your beloved Corporations already don't pay taxes and I don't see them giving anything away free. I'd say that takes care of your raising prices to offset taxes theory.

Cut down on waste of the military budget and getting ripped off by Haliburton and Blackwater and we won't need more taxes to keep fighting your beloved illegal wars and paying your beloved rip off private military contractors. Start making your beloved deadbeat corporations pay taxes and we won't need to have our taxes raised.

When capitalism gives WalMart a billion dollars in corporate welfare and they make 100's of billions a year that is stupid capitalism. If you didn't notice Wall Street and the banks were bailed out because CAPITALISM FAILED. The government won't be my beloved government until the corporations and their conservative puppets no longer own it.

SFC Oliver~ On a lighter note do you make home made pizza? I sometimes buy ready to go pizza shells to make pizza for my kids so they can top it with what they want. I have not found a decent recipe to make my own dough.

Yes I agree that if capitalism was left to its own devices those corporations and banks that made bad decisions and failed should have gone the way of Lehman Brothers and disappeared.  The only way that capitalism failed was the government's intervention of propping up failed businesses. 

Capitalism is not perfect, but is still the best way to conduct human affarirs.  Far many more people have been uplifted by capitalism than harmed by it.  You may not agree with that statement, but it is the motivation of making a profit and dare I say "getting rich" that has been behind every major advancement in human history.

Capitalism has been responsible for many Imperialist, wars over resources. In its most extreme form (Fascism) it slaughtered millions during the First and Second World Wars. There are still wars being waged in Africa over diamonds and gold and in the Middle-East over oil.

The best way to conduct human affairs would be a democratic Anarcho-Syndicalist system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Getting rich won't make for a better world getting poor will as the following Peter Maurin's poem states:

Better Or Better Off

1. The world would be better off,
     if people tried
     to become better.

2. And people would
     become better
     if they stopped trying
     to be better off.

3. For when everybody tries
     to become better off,
     nobody is better off.

4. But when everybody tries
     to become better,
     everybody is better off.

5. Everybody would be rich
     if nobody tried
     to be richer.

6. And nobody would be poor
     if everybody tried
     to be the poorest.

7. And everybody would be
     what he ought to be
     if everybody tried to be
     what he wants
     the other fellow to be.

Sorry but no we do not make our own dough.

But again allow me to remind people that it doesn't matter what you believe when it comes to the Christian bible. You have to admit that it was written roughly 2000 years ago. And part of what was written says that the poor will always be with us. Many have tried to change that and all have failed. The poor are still with us. Of course poor in America is probably rich somewhere else.

The poor will always be with us under a capitalist system that is for sure. The bible also says, "We are our brothers keeper."

Peter Maurin said, "Christian personalism, makes each person responsible for the suffering Christ who stands before him in the person of the poor. It differs dramatically from an economic order characterized by rugged individualism, competitiveness and the profit motive."

He also said, " Capitalism is incompatible with the Christian Gospel because it renders the person subservient to the production of wealth. No economic system which places greater value on the accumulation of wealth than on the dignity of the human person deserves the support of those who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ. It leads to alienation and a loss of a sense of personal participation in community life."

I quoted him because he says it better than I can.

Do I understand that you prefer Socialism or Communism over Capitalism?

SFC Oliver ~ I prefer Anarcho-syndicalism that takes the best points of all the systems and adds even more democracy. See here for a short video on these ideals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H0LYUQIPUU