http://wkbn.com/2015/07/06/mill-creek-official-fish-kill-was-result-of-runoff/ (http://wkbn.com/2015/07/06/mill-creek-official-fish-kill-was-result-of-runoff/)
Who would have thought that the 5th and 6th ward poop could have done so much damage to Lake Newport?
http://wkbn.com/2015/07/07/wkbn-continues-to-probe-mill-creek-fish-death/ (http://wkbn.com/2015/07/07/wkbn-continues-to-probe-mill-creek-fish-death/)
Great article on the fish kill
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jul/08/mcnally-park-waters-could-see-sewage-dum/ (http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jul/08/mcnally-park-waters-could-see-sewage-dum/)
Incident Report
http://media3.vindy.com/news/documents/2015/07/07/metroparks_ipir.pdf (http://media3.vindy.com/news/documents/2015/07/07/metroparks_ipir.pdf)
Sounds like a plan is already in place to change the sewer system....just not as soon as some would
wish it to be. It does make sense to do it all on a schedule that the public can afford, since they are
going to have to pay for it.
How often is this happening with the lakes in the park? Maybe some of the various urban farm projects
could harvest and then compost the dead fish (bury them and allow to decompose) for fertilizer. Native
Americans used fish for fertilizer in the past - it would put them to an acceptable and harmless use and
get them out of the lakes.
Maybe people living along the sewage system near Mill Creek Park shouldn't wash clothes on days with heavy rains. This would cut down on a large portion of sewage entering the sewer system on that day.
FRACKING OR SEWAGE, you had a choice fools. You chose the feces, fortunately fracking is inevitable, your sewage will be cleaned up after we finish off Opec.
No offense my friend what does the problem at the park have to do with fracking? The record rainfall overwhelmed an antaquated sewer system. We were luckey given what this record rainfall did to other areas in the region. The fact that susie chose to flap her toothless gums has nothing to do with it ... she amd her ilk are as irrelivant as used toilet paper, so your equating those who are concerned about Mill Creek Metro Park's current crisis to "fools" is as outragious as Susie's babblings. In fact, fracking has absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Don't forget that the majority of us voted down the Anti-fracking crowd FOUR TIMES and we'll vote them down again.
Hi TT, The Vindy wrote that the answer to the sewer problem is money, big money. The fastest way to cut thru the bull tossed around is to raise the serious money right underneath the 3000 acres, drill horizontally from the wasteland of the Southside and in 24 months I'm guessing we'll have the money to correctly process our crap....problem solved...the true capitalist way, American that is.
The antifrackers pressured the board several years ago not to pursue deep horizontal drilling.
My esteemed friend, that indeed would be a well deserved shot in the arm which is long overdue. It's time that we the people once and for all shut susie and pig iron jim down once and for all which is why I would support sending them a strong message like a boycott of pig iron press. I doubt that jim is doing a large business at his shop, but since he is a leader of the anti-fracking crowd he's a legitamate target along with susie and her old man.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jul/12/theres-a-way-to-keep-city-sewage-out-of-/ (http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jul/12/theres-a-way-to-keep-city-sewage-out-of-/)
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jul/10/fracking-opponents-continue-to-target-ci/ (http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jul/10/fracking-opponents-continue-to-target-ci/)
Dredging the shallow parts of the lakes and installing an aeration system would be a good way
to mitigate the problem until such time as the sewer system is updated. Increasing the volume of
water in the lakes would reduce the effects of sewer overflow into them, and aeration of the waters
would also help control mosquito and algae populations.
I've read online that Lake Newport is pretty shallow.
These two things could be done NOW, versus 5 or so years in the future.
There are solar powered pond aeration systems that are designed for ponds and small lakes of
up to several acres in size.. and these systems could be designed to work with larger acreage,
with modification.
Immediate MITIGATION of the problem.....while we all wait for eventual ELIMINATION of the problem.
It's a start.
Part of the plan to solve the problem calls for the installation of a 48'' sewer along Glenwood Avenue from West Midlothian to Willis Avenue. The new sewer pipe is intended to collect the water originating east of Glenwood.
This area of the south side has had much of its housing stock removed already so these now vacant lots do not produce sewage any more.
Over the next decade, most of this area of the south side will become vacant land as many more houses are torn down.
Again, the engineering is basic the problem is the money.
show me the Money, show me the money!
I did, it's fracking the park fools!
Everyone, including the media, was quick to blame the fish kill on the city of Youngstown's sewage system. Now we are learning that the problem is widespread and the people/businesses/farms/industries south of the park are major contributors to the poor water quality of the park's lakes.
Let's see if all of these other pollution sources will be willing to clean up their act.
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I am in full agreement with you Jay. See, I can be a nice little old lady behaving herself.
I had similar thoughts about the plan to make the sewage treatment plant
larger......my question was this:
If the present treatment facility once treated sewage for a population of over
150,000 people... how could it be undersized by TODAY's standards, when he
city now has less than half the number people it did 50 or so years ago, and
most of the heavy industry is now gone?
The city should start disconnecting sections of storm drains and sewer pipes from
areas where there are no longer any houses, like pruning the dead branches from
a tree.
A downsized sewer grid would result in less water entering the system - and
the sewage treatment facility - when heavy rains occur. This should be a steady,
ongoing process as Youngstown continues to shrink. If the city would get started
now, it could begin to mitigate the problem long before 146 million dollars and 20
years are spent on it.
The city should also be pruning off obsolete gas, water, electric, telephone, sewer,
sidewalks, curbs and pavement as it goes along. The Youngstown 2010 plan called
for this over a decade ago.
The problem is much greater than the storm sewers. High e-coli ratings are being found all over the valley's water ways, and so far as Mill Creek is concerned high e-coli counts are being found far back from where it feeds into Lake Newport. It's even being found in Struthers and Lowellville no where near Mill Creek Park, it was the excessive rainfall in June that sturred things up.
I get your point with regard to the other sources, ie: streams and tributaries
that flow into Milll Creek Park.....I was speaking strictly to the issue of
the combined sewer overflow into the lake.
Apparently there are multiple issues causing the problem but each issue that
is addressed will reduce its overall severity.....
I know and I agree with you. By the way speaking of facebook I gotta learn to manage my time better. I'm reconnecting with folks I knew at the paper and bouncing back and forth between three facebook pages and this site and look at the time. I've been so busy that my cup of coffee not only got cold, but it is close to having icecycles hanging over the edge. Good Night.
I've always been under the impression that Mill Creek Park routinely monitored the water quality of the park's lakes and streams. I've been proven wrong by the recent stories about the fish kill. I think the park should start spending funds on water quality monitoring and work with other area agencies to correct any problems. I don't believe we need additional property taxes to provide these services. Some of the park's funds should be redirected from their administrative staff and the operation of extravagant programs.
I agree with regular testing of the waterwzys to ensure the water quality is
okay.... as far as the "working with other agencies" part goes, what exactly
would you propose the park board do in order to force the cleanup of polluted
water entering the park from outside of its own lands?
Water quality testing is fine, and should be done for public safety in the park....let
the EPA and local government handle the polluters outside of the park, that's their
job once it's been reported to them.
Here is the answer to the problems of our water table and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FRACKING.
http://www.mayflynews.net/ (http://www.mayflynews.net/)