I wondered how long this was going to take...
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jun/17/downtown-youngstown-business-owners-object-city-cl/
With what we have in City Hall from the Mayor on down to the cleaning ladies there isn't an ounce of common sense in the whole lot. Judging by the way that crazy lot has been acting, it seems that they are bending over backwards to drive businesses out of the downtown area. First these mental midgets throw up road blocks that block traffic to the businesses, then they find ways to rip them off. When will it end? Not any time soon. Too bad Woodside Receiving Hospital was closed and demolished, because that is where that silly lot belongs.
West Federal Street should not be used for weekday festivals.
Last year or so I expressed the concerns of downtown eateries that lose business when any festival (serving food) takes place on a weekday. Some on this Forum did not agree with me at all at that time.
It's not the festivals or the eateries they're complaining about. It's W. Federal being blocked off and causing them to lose business. Most of these festival people do NOT eat at the downtown businesses during festivals. They eat *gasp* FESTIVAL FOOD. :o So I'm sorry, but no matter how they want to spin it, or how many different ways they tell it, they're doing downtown businesses a disservice by holding these festivals on Federal. Use Front street or Commerce, and leave the business district open. It's not that difficult to understand.
If they keep it up, this downtown resurgence that they've been touting and so proud of is going to begin sifting right through their fingers - to the burbs.
All of Federal Street should be off limits to festivals. >:( At one time I admit that I supported the festivals, but that does not mean that I could change my mind does it? ??? Right now these events could be held on East Commerce or East Front with no problems at all, yet the KNOW IT ALL HALF WIT that is running downtown events doesn't have the brain power to realize that. >:( We need to throw him under a WRTA bus by giving him a one way ticket out of town and put someone in who will work with the downtown businesses instead of against them.
Amen sister Peggy, Amen.
Many of these festivals were started before Mr. McGiffin took office. I know some business people that like the job he is doing much better than his two predecessors.
Who is going to argue with Italian Fest about where they can set up? Do they want to risk it moving back to Canfield?
How much say do safety services have in what roads are closed? Firetrucks from Station 1 take Commerce or Front Street when heading to the East side or South Ave. I can see it being more difficult for firetrucks, ambulances etc having to take Federal if Commerce or Front are closed.
By the same token, what if an ambulance is needed at one of the office buildings on East Federal when there is a festival? Those offices do not close for festival days.
As to using East Commerce, if that is such an inconvience, there still is East Front, and don't tell me that YFD uses that street to get to where they have to go on the East Side.
As far as I'm concerned, downtown Youngstown benefits more from the businesses that are there the year around. They pay the taxes, they employ the people, not the occassional festival, and certainly not the occassional festival goer. If people want our downtown to be a festival grounds, then chase all the businesses out of the downtown area and make it one big fairground. Close all the city and county buildings. Stop any new busineses from setting up shop on the downtown area.
None of that will happen.
As forMcGiffen ... LOOK and look good, HE'S THERE NOW! As to past holders of that job, they were just as wrong, BUT THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE McGIFFEN! >:(
HE'S THERE NOW! >:( SO IT'S HIS CALL! >:(
Simply Slavic uses East Federal only on a Saturday....not too many businesses are open then and basically it's in front of Eastgate Community College and the parking deck.
Joe Maxx Coffee is affected...but they stay open and actually do more business!
People can still get to the ATM machine at the bank and to the Y.....maybe all festivals should look into this setting....
You might very well have the answer my friend.
By the way, do they have Keeshka (sp) ?
According to the song lyrics, Janko stole the keishka. But Stashu brought it back.
There will be no keishka at Simply Slavic, but there will be plenty of stuffed cabbage,
kielbassi and kraut, pirohi, halushki, etc. Many of the area churches (along with a few
businesses) are doing the cooking so it will be authentic Slavic food. Hope to see many of
our forum friends there on Saturday. Babushka not required!
As to the safety concerns, prior to any festival, safety forces are part of the preparation process.
They also have access onto the festival area itself.
Will our friend Dennis get up on the stage and polka?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssH0Zj7Zp9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssH0Zj7Zp9U)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpBkUY62TtM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpBkUY62TtM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ne0-4bYOnw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ne0-4bYOnw)
I don't do classical polkas....I dance to hunky polkas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfjroWDl6RY
I really hope the amphitheater project becomes a reality. There are acres of vacant land
between the Covelli Center and the site of the former Wean United complex.... all that land along
the river and between South Ave and Market Street bridges just sitting there, doing nothing
and looking UGLY.....
This would be a perfect place for festivals, maybe even an annual summer fair with some rides for
the kiddies... (and us grown kids, too...)
;D
This is the Perrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfict answer. :laugh: It would solve a multitude of problems don't you know. :laugh: Ol' Mama Nature has been doin' a good job in keepin' the downtown festival free but lets hope that Old Sol sticks out his head so that the Simply Slavic Festival goes off without a hitch, cause I want to see Dennis hop up onto a table and do a polka while munchin on a large kielbasi sandwich, and chuggin' down a pitcher of beer.
Yes, down by the river would be ideal for the festivals. Plenty of land, plenty of parking, and it doesn't interfere with the normal functioning of downtown.
New York City has a neighborhood called D.U.M.B.O. (down under manhattan bridge overpass).
It's where the original Idora Park carousel wound up. Youngstown should call this riverfront area
Y.U.M.B.O. (Youngstown under the Market Street Bridge Overpass)
Just kidding.... but having a catchy NAME for this area once it's developed wouldn't hurt. Cleveland
has a waterfront area they call "The flats". There is SO much potential for this big patch of land
and it could do a lot to draw people downtown during the warm weather months.
Keep the festivals in the square. Problem solved.
No offense but the problem is not solved ... Hotel coming ON THE SQUARE ... High Rise apartment buildings ... TWO OF THEM. So you would thumb your nose at the folks that live in those High Rise buildings ... your rights superceed theirs. Is that your game? Once the Ampatheater area is completed, there will be no need to block of any of the streerts and in the meantime East Front Street and East Commerce Streets would be a temporary fix. Even the Mayor agrees with that.
Quote from: Towntalk on June 21, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
No offense but the problem is not solved ... Hotel coming ON THE SQUARE ... High Rise apartment buildings ... TWO OF THEM. So you would thumb your nose at the folks that live in those High Rise buildings ... your rights superceed theirs. Is that your game? Once the Ampatheater area is completed, there will be no need to block of any of the streerts and in the meantime East Front Street and East Commerce Streets would be a temporary fix. Even the Mayor agrees with that.
You're very intense all the time. "On the square" meaning within the bounds of the square and not blocking any buildings. The pedestrian walkways extend far enough out from the stambaugh, realty towers, huntington, chase, etc to give a good margin.
Here's a visual representation for this life or death matter
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-nicholasserra/web/mahoningvalley/ytownsquare.jpg)
ALL these buildings require emergency services free access ... If you want to see my gentle side I suggest that you explore my facebook page. It is jam packed with all sorts of good stuff. You can find the link to my facebook page by checking out my profile here.
Festival in the square wouldn't hinder access to anything. East federal being blocked seems worse.
I'm done arguing over this because no amount of common sense will make any difference with you. By 2018 this whole issue will be solved, and I doubt that even that will please you so I suggest that you pay a visit to my facebook page where there are many topics that might interest you.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009149874646 (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009149874646)
Quote from: Towntalk on June 21, 2015, 05:35:51 PM
I'm done arguing over this because no amount of common sense will make any difference with you. By 2018 this whole issue will be solved, and I doubt that even that will please you so I suggest that you pay a visit to my facebook page where there are many topics that might interest you.
Our interpretation of "common sense" seems to differ. Both mine and your solutions would work. Not everything has one right answer, as you seem to believe.
Nicholas the entire purpose of this thread is the FACT that business owners are complaining about the street closures and their businesses being blocked by these festivals. And there are many of them, all summer. There is already 1 business leaving due to lack of convenient parking for his business, and the festivals. He's lost business over both. And another is also considering a move.
This IS an important issue, whether you deem it so or not.
And all the businesses along West Federal Street since they were the ones who brought the topic up in the first place. I actually couldn't care less about those events downtown. I won't lose any sleep if I miss any of them. Now when you talk about 7th Ward events that my friend is a horse of three different colors (Red - White - Blue). then you'd be a troddin' on my toes so to speak :laugh:
Peggy a visit to my facebook page would set thins' aright fer Nick. All he needs is a good dose of Andre Rieu and his band, an he'll see thins' the right ways.
I'm not downplaying the issue I'm simply offering an alternative solution.
Duly noted.