Commission holds off on decision on small livestock in Youngstown
http://www.vindy.com/news/2012/nov/21/commission-holds-off-on-decision/ (http://www.vindy.com/news/2012/nov/21/commission-holds-off-on-decision/)
its a no brainer that ytown should embrace the livestock issue with open arms then the vast empty lots on the east south and north sides of ytown can be produtive.
Put the stupid livestock on the west side so that the starving artists can paint them along with pretty posies. There's more empty land there than the rest of Youngstown ie. Mill Creek Park. The Lake Glacier/Lilly Pond/Fellows Riverside Garden area would make perfect places for chickens to live, and they would be close enough to the starving artists so that they could swipe a few and make a quick getaway back to their garrets
Quote from: Towntalk on November 21, 2012, 10:33:41 AM
Put the stupid livestock on the west side so that the starving artists can paint them along with pretty posies. There's more empty land there than the rest of Youngstown ie. Mill Creek Park. The Lake Glacier/Lilly Pond/Fellows Riverside Garden area would make perfect places for chickens to live, and they would be close enough to the starving artists so that they could swipe a few and make a quick getaway back to their garrets
Haven't you heard? Starving artists, a.k.a. "hipsters" aren't starving anymore. They just get food stamps:
http://www.salon.com/2010/03/16/hipsters_food_stamps_pinched/
Do you mean to tell me that the artists in the garret across the street from U-Haul are on welfare? Gee, if they're that poor, how do they pay for the materials they use to "create" art? If they're so poor that they need food stamps then they have no business wasting their limited financial resources on non-essencials. Who pays the utility bills for their garret? I suspect that the gas and electric bills for that building aren't cheap.
A starving artist is an artist who sacrifices material well-being in order to focus on their artwork. They typically live on minimum expenses, either for a lack of business or because all their disposable income goes toward art projects.
Some starving artists desire mainstream success but have difficulty due to the high barriers to entry in art such as visual arts, the film industry, and theatre. These artists frequently take temporary positions (such as waitering or other service industry jobs) while they focus their attention on breaking through in their preferred field.
Others may find enough satisfaction in living as artists to choose voluntary poverty regardless of prospects of future financial reward or broad recognition.
Quote from: Towntalk on November 21, 2012, 01:07:09 PM
Do you mean to tell me that the artists in the garret across the street from U-Haul are on welfare? Gee, if they're that poor, how do they pay for the materials they use to "create" art? If they're so poor that they need food stamps then they have no business wasting their limited financial resources on non-essencials. Who pays the utility bills for their garret? I suspect that the gas and electric bills for that building aren't cheap.
I have no idea. You said they could steal some chickens living in Mill Creek Park, if the city allows small livestock. I just linked to the article to say that starving artists don't need to steal chickens, anymore.
I was just getting up west side folks hooters. ;) ;)
Really, if you folks want to oppose folks having a few hens in their back yard that's up to you ... I couldn't care less.
As to the North Side folks we are 100% opposed to the idea ... and that's a fact that you can take to the bank. ;D Community gardens :-* yes :-* chickens >:( never >:( . We'll leave that to the west side farmers :laugh: .
Haven't I been living this nightmare growing shrimp in the City and now it is a topic of interest today.......I must have been ahead of my time....who is John Gault?
ytownshrimp i did not opposed your idea but how all sides handled this situation. i rather be awoken up by a chicken, theiving, starving artist any morning then a gunshot by yoyos.
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A little over four years ago, there was a couple who bought some acreage on the east side, who wanted to raise a few farm animals. I was all for it, but they were ultimately turned down for a zoning variance because there was a NIMBY (not in my back yard) who said no.
One block watch on the west side was all set to raise chickens this year. Permission was denied. The block watch had to move the hens to the suburbs.
These are some to the delicious eggs from the former west side hens.
Quotethen a gunshot by yoyos.
The city government can keep chickens out of our city but can't get the guns off our streets. :(
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Youngstown will overregulate this basic function of man to feed himself, wherein man will no longer feed himself but rather be fed by the government, what is foodstamps?
Biology Classes Are Needed
Some city officials questioned how a hen could produce eggs without having a rooster on the property. :o
You do not need a rooster for hens to lay eggs. Hens continually lay eggs whether or not they are fertilized. You only need a rooster if you want to fertilize the eggs so they will hatch. I get my info from growing up in Nebraska and visiting two grandmothers that raised chickens.
My experience visiting my grandparents farms -Chicken coops were kept at least 300 feet from the house because CHICKENS STINK! No matter how diligent you are at keeping the coops clean.
I do not want chickens, or any other farm animals, in my neighborhood. If you don't like the smell of a farm you live in the larger cities. If you want to raise you own livestock, no matter how small the animal, you move to the rural areas.
I live on a 50' by 150" lot and read somewhere (?) that I could have TWO CHICKENS and a small animal like a goat. Is that correct? If I bought the empty lot next door (50' by 150') I should be able to have FOUR CHICKENS and two small animals like a goat and a sheep ::) and that would be legal. :laugh: What do you think of THAT ??? ;D
It may be legal, but if you own chickens or livestock I would not want to be your neighbor, no matter how great of a person you are. I do not know what the current laws are for owning chickens and small livestock in Youngstown.
My opinion is chickens and livestock are for rural areas, not urban areas.
What about gooses or geeses or little ducks that go quack? Or what about a little pot belly piggy named Digby?
i was born and raise in a village by ytown. a italian immrigrant raised chickens for eggs and to consume. angelo kept the chickens healthy with a clean coop clean and we little tykes would ventured against the street to feed the chickens and act like chickens that was our morning entertainment until our mothers call us home for lunch. no nieghbors complained. angelo kept raising and consuming chickens until he died at the age of 92. there are too many uptight people on this earth. live and let live.
As the city shrinks, neighborhoods will have more vacant land. I feel agricultural production (both vegetable and small animals) will be the next logical step as Youngstown becomes more rural in nature.
I wonder if a regular pig would be classified as a small animal ??? Once a year sure would make an excellent Easter Ham :o :laugh: ;D . The bacon would go great with the chicken's eggs. Aaahim - Id invite the neighbors over for a nice ham dinner and of course bacon for a Vetra in the fall - how does that sound joly ??? I had a great garden for a number of years --- now nothing :'( I try to keep my yard at least as good as my neighbors - if not better. We have no cats that GO right near people's front steps - like some of the neighbors and catch the birds at our feeder. We try to bring the dog in the moment it barks. We don't play loud music - well except maybe on Saturday 9:30 PM to 11 PM (someday maybe till midnight). I LOVE my neighbors (expecally the cat ones) and I know the feeling is mutual - - - What is a few chickens, a pig and maybe a goat between good friends. I would use the goat to eat my grass and I wouldn't need to cut it - if we could milk it that would be GREAT. I remember here in Lansingville about 60 years ago :-X one of the neighbors had a goat to cut his grass - it nipped a child or two so we stayed clear ;D A lot of men raised carrier pigeons and had large coops of 20 or more pigeons. Some of us had squab for dinner :o
I always think of the story of some people that bought a hudge beautiful place way out in the country and opened up day care center. It was not long before the pig farm across the street lent it's aroma to the "hudge beautiful place". Is that a kind of "buyer be ware" thing ;D
Maybe if we allowed more animals to be raised in the city then the simple life of the farm and country will grow!
Peace, no crime, and folks can sleep with their doors unlocked!....
Farming is a basic fundamental right of property ownership. The low IQ leaders of Youngstown and many residents confuse these rights with nuisance. If foul odor or effluent damages a neighbor, you have legal action, otherwise it is none of your business if I am farming chickens or goats on my land.
Why can't some neighborhoods have chickens?
Over here on the west side we have Deer, Wild Turkeys, and Geese.
Don't forget the Savages running around YukTown.
The wild animals in Mill Creek Park don't count so please don't bring them into the equation. We here on the North Side have swans in Crandall Park and the occasional critter from Mill Creek Park ... groundhogs, raccoons, squires, chipmonks, but them critters ain't domesticated farm animals, so they don't count worth a whit. ;D