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Events begin at 8 am and run all day.
Covelli Centre protest at 1pm
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Towntalk asks the Question of the Day, how can we improve Youngstown. Well right under our noses is something that is already improving Youngstown, to the tune of over HALF A BILLION DOLLARS of investment WITHIN THE CITY and what does the good citizens of Youngstown want to do? SHUT IT DOWN! I really don't think Youngstown deserves to turn itself around if this is the attitude that people take when a GIFT FROM GOD falls right in our laps after 30 years of decline. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Thank GOD most people around here support fracking and the economic benefit it... The tree-hugging anti-fracking crowd can try all they want to sway the powers to be, but they will fail.
We need these jobs!!!
I didn't post this to express an opinion. It was sent to me to include in the events.
It is very simple, produce one documented court case anywhere that harvesting our God given energy is destructive? You won't find any, I looked for years, NADA....all incidents were accidents or neglect.
My rant wasn't directed at you ForumManager. It was directed at people organizing this protest and those who enable them such as Rep. Hagan. Just look at his latest remarks in today's vindicator.
Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on November 29, 2011, 07:42:13 AM
It is very simple, produce one documented court case anywhere that harvesting our God given energy is destructive? You won't find any, I looked for years, NADA....all incidents were accidents or neglect.
I haven't looked into the court cases but that doesn't make some of us with water wells feel secure. Accidents and neglect DO happen- Murphy's law and all.
Fracking is not safe......
Fracking destroys property, water, and land......
Fracking is only supported by folks who are only interested in making a short-term dirty buck and
not the long term environmental harm and depreciated land values that eventually occurs....
Fracking companies are known for neglect and accidents at fracking sites.....because they are in such a hurry to drill
the next well there is huge neglect in the drilling process and accidents do occur which destroy land and water.....
JUST SAY NO TO FRACKING!
Maybe the people who attend the rally will also have lunch at a downtown restaurant.
Well then that makes it all worthwhile. Who needs high paying blue collar jobs when we can have minimum wage restaurant jobs when the protests come to town.
The Other Rally
Where will the jobs be? And what role will local businesses play in the upcoming Marcellus/Utica shale drilling boom?
That's the focus of Wednesday's Youngstown Ohio Utica and Natural Gas Conference (YOUNG) at the Covelli Centre.
"We can't remember the last time we've had an industrial trade show in the Mahoning Valley of this size," said Eric Planey, vice president of international business attraction for the Youngstown-Warren Regional Chamber.
The first of its kind locally, more than 65 professional exhibitors were busy setting up ahead of the show on Tuesday. In addition to the trade booths, hundreds of business professionals who will have a hand in supporting the drilling industry are expected to attend.
The YOUNG Expo was put together by the Youngstown-Warren Regional Chamber. It's a move they said is geared at getting local businesses networking with national and international companies.
"We're trying to help our local companies get involved in the supply chain for the oil and gas industry," said Planey. "We want to help our local manufacturing get ramped up as fast as possible so that they can take advantage."
The show will be set up in two parts.
The morning session is open to the public and will focus on job creation and education. The second part of the show is for businesses only.
Speakers will include Dr. Jeff Dick, the head of the geology department at Youngstown State University, who will talk about the pros, the facts and the fiction of fracking. Human resources representatives from V&M Star also will talk about the hiring process there.
Officials at YSU said they will be making a significant announcement at Wednesday's conference as to the role the university will play in the expanding industry."
The more that I can connect with the companies that will be there, the more potential opportunities we can facilitate for our students," said Dr. Martin Abraham, dean of the university's STEM college. "These are good paying jobs in the profession, in the field our students are being educated in, and that's the connectivity that we want to provide for them."
Source: WKBN-TV News
I'm pleased free enterprise what I have been preaching here is finally taking root. Youngstown is given a second chance, I hope the Marxist wannabes and the community organizing opportunist quickly exit the City, like they exited this site.
PROTESTERS WILL BE THERE TO PROTEST!
A group called Fracking Exposed: A State of Emergency is planning a counter-convention outside Covelli and at Central Square.
The group, made up of about 30 organizations, wants fracking banned in Ohio, or at the least, a moratorium on it.
I listened to Rivers' entire show this morning, and also saw the sorry group as they marched down Wood Street at 1 pm.
Fracking is an old technology, used hundreds of thousands if not millions of times since the process was invented. It is a proven safe technology but was largely behind the scenes. But now, it is in the forefront because the "carbon is bad" crowd needed to come up with a boogeyman to try to vilify the new oil and gas boom.
The participants in that march is a Who's Who list of the same old tired people who want to stop any economic development that they do not approve of. I am sure Dennis the Menace was there, iwasthere, the Occupy Youngstown bunch (sans tent and barrel), Phil Kidd, John Russo, Bob Hagan and I wouldn't be surprised if Staughton Lynd was being pushed along in a wheelchair. These people would rather keep the status quo of government handouts and class warfare going instead of see any capitalist make a profit.
I am happy to see that the conference was packed with thousands of people while the protest could only attract a handful of the usual suspects.
And I am certain that it irritates a few on this forum to no end that Youngstownshrimp is one of those capitalists making money!
7 Protesters Arrested At Oil Well Company
Seven people were arrested for disorderly conduct on Ohio Works Drive for blocking the driveway of a business that owns an injection well site near Salt Springs Road.
They were part of a protest held in conjunction with the area's first shale conference held Wednesday at the Covelli Centre. Nearly 100 people gathered and marched through downtown while the conference was taking place.
Police said the seven people arrested were blocking trucks from entering and leaving D&L Energy Group on Salt Springs Road, which owns a brine injection well site that some speculate has been causing numerous small earthquakes in the area. The arrests happened about noon after an order from Youngstown Police Chief Rod Foley.
The seven were arrested and booked at the Mahoning County Jail, where it is expected they will be released on bond. They are due in Youngstown Municipal Court on Thursday.
SOURCE: WKBN-TV News
Downtown Youngstown Protesters: Stop the Fracking Lies
Nearly 100 protesters marched through downtown Youngstown Wednesday in an effort to to speak out against what they said are risks and long-term damage from hydraulic fracking.
They gathered in protest of the Youngstown Ohio Utica and Natural Gas (YOUNG) conference being held at the Covelli Centre in downtown Youngstown today, holding signs saying "Fracking exposed," "Stop the frackin' lies" and "Fracking jobs are grave digging for our children."
The day-long shale expo -- which is being considered the state's first Utica shale play conference -- included more than 65 professional exhibitors and hundreds of business professionals who will have a hand in supporting the drilling industry. There was standing room only during Wednesday morning presentations, where roughly 600 members of the public attended.
The protesters started their march at the First Unitarian Church and wound through YSU's campus and downtown Youngstown before reaching the Covelli Centre. Several speakers were set to appear at a rally following a march.
The agenda for the rally included speakers like the Sierra Club's Dave Simons on the lack of state support for renewable energy in Ohio; Liberty Township Trustee Jodi Stoyak, who is working to educate constituents and advocate those harmed by drilling; and Pittsburgh City Councilman Doug Shields, on a Pittsburgh ban and proposed trespass legislation.
SOURCE: WKBN-TV News
Crowds Pack Covelli for YOUNG Shale Expo
It's standing room only at the Youngstown Ohio Utica and Natural Gas (YOUNG) conference at the Covelli Centre in downtown Youngstown.
And one of the first items of business during the day-long expo was the announcement of a new institute at Youngstown State University to train students for jobs expected to flourish due to the Utica shale drilling industry.
YSU's Martin Abraham, dean of science, technology, engineering and math, said the Natural Gas and Water Resources Institute will offer a minor to students beginning in the fall of 2012. The minor still needs to be approved by YSU's board of trustees. The institute will also provide research on fracking methods and the drilling of the area's shale.
More than 65 professional exhibitors and hundreds of business professionals who will have a hand in supporting the drilling industry are expected to attend what's being called the state's first Utica shale play conference. There was standing room only during Wednesday morning presentations, where roughly 600 members of the public attended.
According to the Youngstown-Warren Regional Chamber of Commerce website, the event is open to the public from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. During that time, attendees may view all of the exhibits, as well as learn about the science of hydrofracking and essential tips for landowners. Speakers will include:
· Trina Rauscher Cooper, Human Resource Director, V&M Star. Topic: V&M Staffing Update: A Discussion of Job Search Resources, Skill Set Requirements and Employment Opportunities.
· Michelle Ball, Ohio Department of Jobs and Family Services. Topic: Job Opportunities in the Shale Industry and How the Department of Jobs and Family Services is Linking Job Seekers to Openings.
· Dr. Jeffrey Dick, Chair of Geological and Environmental Sciences, Youngstown State University. Topic: Fracking: Fact vs. Fiction.
· Atty. Eric Johnson, Johnson & Johnson. Topic: Legally Speaking, What Do Property Owners Need To Know?
The afternoon session will target local and national companies that want to learn more about the supply chain for the oil and natural gas industry and hear about Ohio's receptiveness to the investment and job creation activities associated with shale gas. Speakers will include:
· Joel Mastervich, President & COO, V&M Star, Topic: V&M Star's Expansion: It's Status & More.
· Thomas E. Stewart, Executive Vice President, Ohio Oil & Gas Association (OOGA). Topic: Ohio's Oil and Gas Industry, Its Potential Shale Play Opportunities and the OOGA.
· David Mustine, General Manager for Energy, Jobs Ohio. Topic: Ohio's Open-For-Business Approach to the Oil and Natural Gas Industry.
· Daniel Rice, III, Managing General Partner, Rice Energy; Managing Director, Blackrock Capital Global Resources Team. Topic: Shale Plays and Their Impact on Financial Markets.
SOURCE: WKBN-TV News
V & M Affiliate Investing $57 Million, Bringing 100 Jobs
More jobs are heading to the Valley thanks to the Marcellus and Utica shale boom.
VAM USA, a Houston-based manufacturer of premium pipe connections, announced that it will open a finishing plant adjacent to the current V & M Star expansion on the border of Youngstown and Girard. The investment totals about $57 million.
V&M Star and VAM USA are both affiliate companies of the Vallourec Group.
"It will take an existing building, completely stripping it down to the superstructure and completely renovating that," said M. Judson Wallace, president of VAM USA.
The 200,000-square foot structure sits on V & M Star property. VAM produces premium pipe connections, which are now in high demand because of the horizontal drilling operations used to extract natural gas from Utica and Marcellus shale.
"We can make the pipe at V & M Star. Judson's company can then thread it for customers that are largely in this area. It's a finished good instead of having two seperate companies at two seperate sites," said Joel Mastervich, president and chief operating officer of V & M Star.
The expansion brings with it 100 jobs, which is good news for an area struggling with job loss since the downfall of the steel mills.
"We've been looking for a homerun ever since then and I believe this will be the homerun for the Mahoning Valley," said Youngstown Mayor Chuck Sammarone.
"What is so exciting is the fact that when you drive down past that site, that you see what was a 100-year-old vacant steel building, formerly the Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co., is now coming back to life. That doesn't happen very often," said Girard Mayor Jim Melfi.
The first phase of the finishing plant is expected to be done around August of 2012, bringing on about 60 employees. The final phase should be finished by the end of 2013, bringing on the addtional 40 workers.
"Our products are the industry leader in the natural gas production industry," Wallace said in a press release announcing the project. "Expanding in Youngstown made sense for us as it brings us very close to customers working in both the Marcellus and Utica shales, where business is booming. Our new facility will enable us to improve service to existing customers and connect with new customers."
Work on the Youngstown site has begun.
SOURCE WKBN-TV News
New YSU institute to offer Utica Shale-related minor program
Youngstown State University today announced plans for a Natural Gas and Water Resources Institute to better prepare its students for jobs related to the Utica Shale.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/nov/30/new-ysu-institute-offer-utica-shale-related-minor-/
YSU plans Natural Gas and Water Resources Institute
Youngstown State University plans a Natural Gas and Water Resources Institute as part of the College of Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/nov/30/ysu-plans-natural-gas-and-water-resources-institut/
can't drink money
Yes, and Astro Shapes should fail because we really don't need jobs anymore, God will provide.
Dennis Spisak is a Legal liability-time-bomb for this site, this site if it does not police its members is exposed to civil liabilities or criminal charges.
How many people who are against fracking even get their water from wells? Anyone living in Youngstown does not, Dennis does not. I do, and we have four wells within a mile radius of my house. Guess what, our water was bad before the gas wells, and not caused by the drilling but rather by the coal and ore deposits under me. We drink bottled water. Not really a big deal.
Yes he does make quite a few actionable statements on a regular basis. Too bad he doesn't have much in the way of assets.
EXCERPT
Fracking Up Gas, Driving Down Fuel Prices
Dec. 1, 2011 7:02 a.m.
By Joe Giesy
YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio -- In less than a decade, drivers will pay less than a dollar per gallon of gas for their vehicles. That's what Daniel Rice III, founder of Rice Energy, told the crowd when he spoke at the Youngstown Ohio Utica and Natural Gas Conference Wednesday in the Covelli Centre.
It's not the same gas motorists purchase for their cars and trucks now, but instead compressed natural gas, or CNG, made from the methane obtained from hydraulic fracturing of shale deep under the Earth's crust.
The type of gasoline automobiles use now may also lower in price, Rice said. When the cars that run on American fuel replace cars that run on foreign fuel, demand for foreign fuel will go down and so will the price per barrel.
Converting just 25% of America's passenger car fleet to natural gas fueled vehicles can have a major impact, he said.
CLICK TO WATCH comprehensive video coverage of the YOUNG Expo on the Daily BUZZ.
Yes, that's what we concluded, basically unsuccessful in our free enterprise society and not worth the time for legal action. The visitor count for this site is vary small and his postings are mostly discounted except for two or more entitled here. His house in Struthers may have equity but not worth my time and he may go postal and start some crime spree, obviously he needs help and it is well documented here. He is probably getting more pissed since Struthers is actively negotiating all their land for fracking, this must really keep him up at night.
"I Love The Smell Of Fracking In The Morning!"
My posting with this title on GoMarcellusshale.com has thousands of hits last time I checked 3000 and check out the online NAT GEO , I was interviewed and quoted. Who listens to Spisak anyway, not even his own ilk.
Quote from: Rick Rowlands on December 01, 2011, 08:17:24 AM
How many people who are against fracking even get their water from wells? Anyone living in Youngstown does not, Dennis does not. I do, and we have four wells within a mile radius of my house. Guess what, our water was bad before the gas wells, and not caused by the drilling but rather by the coal and ore deposits under me. We drink bottled water. Not really a big deal.
Well I drink well water and I now live in PA. My water is near perfect aside from being a little hard. We use only a whole house sediment filter and a filter on the refrigerator. The field across the street has been surveyed for drilling and we will probably see it happen soon. A few hundred feet from my well. I'd bet the aquifer we use is under that property as well. I lived in North Jackson years ago and our water was 20 times saltier than sea water. It literally destroyed the plumbing, washing machine and the water heater. We were forced to pay BIG bucks to have a cistern filled by truck every month. Was the salt naturally occurring due to salt springs or was it due to the NUMEROUS wells in the area? My concern for my well is warranted.
Also-
I asked permission of a friend to post a recent experience he had. He saw a brine tanker dumping in to creek on Chestnut Ridge that feeds the Chestnut Ridge swimming pond. He talked to the driver and also called the police. All said that it was safe. My question is- what makes a local patrolman an authority on whether dumping brine into creek is safe?
I feel sorry for the people who do listen to Shrimp and sell their land...
and risk poisoning their water and land.....
can't drink money
Quote from: Mary_Krupa on December 01, 2011, 07:41:09 PM
can't drink money
And please inform us how you would create jobs for our wonderful community in desperate need of jobs....
Quote from: ytowner on December 01, 2011, 07:43:30 PM
And please inform us how you would create jobs for our wonderful community in desperate need of jobs....
Sort of like selling your soul to the devil...
It is interesting that there is not one response to my message about a brine truck dumping in a local creek. I'd say brine dumping falls under the "neglect" category, however intentional "neglect" is not really neglect at all, is it?
So creating short-term jobs is more important than poisoning our water and land forever by injecting
harmful and deadly toxins underground?
Fracking jobs will come and go....but living with water and land poisoned by toxins will last forever.....
Sure, folks like Shrimp will clean up by making a quick buck stealing land for fracking off of owners unaware
of the dangers...because folks like Shrimp will fail to tell owners of the potential dangers fracking causes...
Shrimp probably "forgets" in his sales pitch to inform potential land sellers of the dangers...not good for his "business interests"....
Shrimp and the rest of the pro-fracking folks will clean up on this rush to frack...but will Shrimp and the pro-fracking
folks be there to help clean up the waters poisoned by fracking chemicals? I don't think so.....
In regards to the brine dumping....it is not neglect.....it is a way for fracking companies to try and hide the fact that brine water
is harmful....and by their dumping they expose even more innocent people to the dangers of fracking......aren't we the lucky ones?
Before anything can be determined regarding the dumping of brine, one must know what the composition of the brine is, what the laws say and the amount dumped. This is why hearsay is usually regarded as inadmissable in court.
Quote from: Rick Rowlands on December 01, 2011, 09:57:18 PM
Before anything can be determined regarding the dumping of brine, one must know what the composition of the brine is, what the laws say and the amount dumped. This is why hearsay is usually regarded as inadmissable in court.
The person that told me this doesn't wish to come forward on this forum. He gave permission to give his account. I'm sure there is record of the police call. Not exactly hearsay. The creek runs through private property and into a private lake. There is NO question as to the legality of that situation. The brine truck needs to obtain permission from the land owner. No truck, even one with fresh water could dump without permission. It is trespassing.
The Warren waste water treatment facility currently accepts 100000 gallons of brine a day and has been dumping into the Mahoning River. According to the Columbus Dispatch Warren's permit will not be renewed after it expires in January and other cities will not be allowed to pass brine through their treatment plants in the future.
If random creek dumping is in fact legal what's to keep them from dumping in our front lawns? It certainly would cut back on the usage of weed killer along the roadway.
Isn't one of the only approved methods of disposing of brine to spread it along roads?
About your well, I hope you are having the water tested before any drilling starts, and after drilling is completed have it tested as soon as the least sign of anything changes. Might be the only way to win a lawsuit if your well does become contaminated.
Rick, Thanks for the tip about testing now. The thumper trucks were on route 7 today. After some research I find that those that are living in areas where their water is treated can be more at risk than those with wells. Go figure. The chemicals used to treat the water from rivers and reservoirs for consumption can react with the chemicals in the brine. I can post links when I find scientific articles that show evidence of the chemical reaction.
I'd like to say that I am not against free enterprise nor necessarily against fracking. HOWEVER, the human race has a track record of rushing into things resulting in a negative impact on the health of its population. I remember playing with mercury beads in school and when asbestos was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Lead was in gas and paint. Women used to twist the paint brushes in their mouths when painting the glow in the dark clocks. We had those clocks in our bedrooms. The list can go on and on. The results of our naivete should be a lesson that things can look really good at first and then later people become ill, sometimes terminally ill. When the concern is about possibly making water unsuitable for consumption, it seems that slower might be better. Instead the companies are racing each other to lay claim. Water is the most precious commodity on this planet. Without it none of us will exist.