This house appears to be very old. It is situated near the Rocky Ridge Neighborhood Association. Members of the group have learned that the house is on the demolition list. At this time there is no formal effort to save the structure.
address please. Maybe Towntalk could find out something about it.
In the GDNA meeting, it was referred to as the "Price House." I saw this house for sale several years ago, and the listing claimed the house was from the late 1700's to early 1800's. (I don't remember the actual year, but it was unusually old)
I hesitate to give its address, because houses on the demolition list tend to get targeted for theft and vandalism. (and, hopefully, this one can be saved) I would have abandoned my "quest" for a house on the north side to restore this house. But, it's just too far from amenities I have to walk to.
My store in Poland is a 1851 Greek revival and I have exposed the massive trusses, please message me the address and I will do research on it. Also, has the YTown Historic society been notified?
With no address to go by, how do you expect me to get information on this house ??? ??? ???
If this house is as old as some think, it would have been built in the mid-1800's since the area wasn't settled until 1796 and didn't start spreading out until after the Civil War.
Sanborne Fire Insurance Maps for 1884; 1889; and 1896 show nothing for what we refer to as Rocky Ridge.
Westsider
FYI
This house is on the 35-Cornersburg WRTA bus route. Thus there is quick access to Mahoning Avenue, shops in Cornersburg, the Rulli Brothers plaza in Austintown, and the Wedgewood Plaza. Four grocery stores are on the bus route.
Well then none of you are serious about preserving the house so let it fall.
Good greif!
Really, Westsider is secretive about letting the address become public because someone may vandalize it, "oh no!"
Hello, it is on the demo list. Rick, you have been inside my greek revival and seen the post and beam construction of a vintage greek revival. It appears that the house is a greek revival (salt box) which would make it a rare bldg. I know of an architect that would dismantle the structure, just for the beams. The owner of Sweeney Chev. hired my company to move his greek revival in Poland so his new construction would be historic.
Quote from: Towntalk on March 21, 2011, 06:16:45 PM
With no address to go by, how do you expect me to get information on this house ??? ??? ???
If this house is as old as some think, it would have been built in the mid-1800's since the area wasn't settled until 1796 and didn't start spreading out until after the Civil War.
Sanborne Fire Insurance Maps for 1884; 1889; and 1896 show nothing for what we refer to as Rocky Ridge.
I know of a house, less than a mile away on McCollum Rd. that was built in 1813. The address of this house (I only give the address because the house sin't hard to find) is 605 S. Belle Vista. But, I think this house--the Price House--has already been moved once. If you look closely at Jay's picture, the foundation looks like it was made from concrete blocks.
Quote from: jay on March 21, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
Westsider
FYI
This house is on the 35-Cornersburg WRTA bus route. Thus there is quick access to Mahoning Avenue, shops in Cornersburg, the Rulli Brothers plaza in Austintown, and the Wedgewood Plaza. Four grocery stores are on the bus route.
I know. But, it's not very walkable. It would take me about 15 minutes to walk and pick up a gallon of milk at the nearest convenience or grocery store. I really like the old farm house across the street that's for sale, too.
There was a meeting concerning the fate of this house. But I don't know who held the meeting, I don't know who attended, and I don't know what the outcome was. I only heard about the meeting at the most recent Garden District meeting.
I'd like to see the house saved. If its history and potential fate were made known to more people, maybe someone would step forward to save it. I'd like to see it remain whole, and in Youngstown. But, even salvaging of the structure and/or having its history moved to the suburbs, would be preferalbe to just demolition.
If it was built in 1813, that would give it historic significance since I doubt that any of the real pioneer homes are still around. The first Jackson home is still with us, as is the McGuffey homested, but they are in Coitsville. The Historical Society should trace the history of this house back to its original owner, who knows, maby even have it restored if the original owner played a roll in Youngstown's pioneer history.
Why don't you send off an e-mail to the Historical Society with the address and Jay's photo and see what they can come up with since they have the most complete records of that period. It better be done quickly before the house is demolished or destroyed by vandals.
Quote from: Towntalk on March 22, 2011, 11:38:35 AM
If it was built in 1813, that would give it historic significance since I doubt that any of the real pioneer homes are still around. The first Jackson home is still with us, as is the McGuffey homested, but they are in Coitsville. The Historical Society should trace the history of this house back to its original owner, who knows, maby even have it restored if the original owner played a roll in Youngstown's pioneer history.
Why don't you send off an e-mail to the Historical Society with the address and Jay's photo and see what they can come up with since they have the most complete records of that period. It better be done quickly before the house is demolished or destroyed by vandals.
No, I'm referring to another house in the area that was built in 1813. I don't know for sure when the house in Jay's picture was built, but the real-estate listing claimed an unusually old date. (pre-civil war)
Can you point me toward the Historical Society's contact info? I would assume they were involved with the meeting that took place.
http://www.mahoninghistory.org/contact.htm
That's good to know Steve and since you seem to know about it perhaps you can answer a couple of simple questions:
1 When was it built?
2 Who built it?
I have a reputation for making things happen. If i had an interest in preserving this house I certainly could put a great deal of resources to work on its behalf. But first I would like to drive by and just take a look at it. Can't do that because for some wierd reason the same people who are saying "this house must be saved" are also saying "but we can't tell you where it is or anything else about it". So screw it. Even if you gave me the address now I wouldn't go look at it. I'm not going to play these games.
Thanks Steve.
I got a reply from the Historical Society today. Here is their response:
QuoteThank you for your message regarding the historic Price Farmhouse at 605 South Belle Vista Ave. It is my understanding that the fate of the house will be discussed at the next Rocky Ridge Neighborhood Association meeting to be held on Wednesday, March 30 at 6:30 p.m. in the social hall at the Franciscan Friary located next door to the house. The hall is located in the basement of the church and is accessible through the rear of the building.
If it was Walter A. Beecher it certainly has historic value. See J. G. Butler's History of Youngstown and the Mahoning Valley Vol. 1 pgs 361 and 395.
Gen. Thomas Sanderson also disccusses W. A. Beecher at pg. 982; and James S. Price at pg. 771 in his book 20th Century History of Youngstown and Mahoning County, Ohio.
JAMES S. PRICE, a prominent and
highly respected farmer of Youngstown
township, and owner of the
Price Stock Farm, located in section
10, was born August 17, 1849, on a
farm just opposite his present farm, and is a
son of Samuel and Lydia Elanor (Stewart)
Price.
Samuel Price was born in Youngstown
township also, and w-as a son of James Price,
who came from Maryland in 1809, and settled
on a tract of land where he and his wife
both died, the land being now owned by James
S. Samuel was one of a family of nine children
and was reared in this township on his
father's farm. He married Lydia Elanor
Stewart, who was born in Pennsylvania and
came to Mahoning County, Ohio, with her
father, Thomas Stewart. ..Five children were
born into this household, but three of whom
were reared to maturity : Margaret, who married
Perry Wehr of Youngstown township:
Elanor, who married Walter Beecher. and
James S., whose name begins this article. Lucetta
and Florence both died in infancy. Samuel
Price died in March, 1900, his wife's death
occurring just two weeks later.
James S. Price was reared on his father's
farm and attended the district .schools of the
township. He was a member of the first class
to enter the Rayen High School. He has
lived on his present farm of 140 acres since
his marriage in 1880, and has since been occupied
as a general farmer and stock raiser, also
running a dairy and selling his milk at wholesale.
He has made all of the improvements
on the place, planting all of the trees, and, in
1898, erecting his fine large barn. The site
upon which his house stands was at one time
a wheat field.
Mr. Price was united in marriage January
8, 1880, to Clara Predmore, whose grandfather,
Frank Barclay, was one of the early
pioneers of Youngstown, and whose parents,
Joseph and Julia (Barclay) Predmore, were
both reared in Mahoning County. Mr. and
Mrs. Price have reared three children, namely
Samuel Nelson, who married Mary Pauley,
Edward Barclay, who resides in California
and Margaret Alice, who is now attending the
Conservatory of Music at Baltimore. One
child, Mary, died in infancy. Mr. Price served
as decennial land appraiser in 1890. In the
following year he was elected on the Republican
ticket county commissioner of Mahoning
County, and served in that capacity for seven
years. Fraternally he is a member of the Elks
During his term of office the Market street
viaduct was built and the present county infirmary
was erected, which is said to be one
of the most modern institutions of its kind in
the United States. Mr. Price is one of four
commissioners appointed by the county commissioners
to build the first improved roads
in the county. He has for many years been
connected with the agricultural fair of the
county and is now its president. Fraternally
he is a member of the Elks. His portrait appears
in connection with this sketch.
If moving the structure is an option, I will volunteer to coordinate the moving of the house, I am qualified to do this.
Putting a face to the name.
This must be a recylcling green project conceived by our green guru Dennis. Dennis we are now willing to follow your leadership in recycling, "Lead the Way Bro"
It's strange that the Price family name should pop up here. When I lived on the West Side as a youth I passed there every day going to school at the "new" Chaney and the Price family went to our church. Mrs. Price sang in the church choir.
Gee, that was 55 years ago. How time flys.
Most of the members of the Rocky Ridge Neighborhood Association voted tonight not to object to the demolition of this old house.
Considering the reasons given at the meeting, this still seems shortsighted to me. :'(
Anything is possible if our community has vision, sadly not. Poor Youngstown, the brain drain is just about complete, I did this in Steubenville in 1991 when I was 31, maybe I just didn't know any better. This house has a full basement with an occupancy certificate and most likely has been occupied for twenty years. Oh, and we didn't use grants either, we were to proud for that.
The decision to support demolition of this house didn't have anything to do with grants, or brain drain...
Well educate us then, why no effort to "recycle" as in deconstruction or housemoving? Or, maybe "it dressed in overalls and looked like work?"
Nothing of any value is ever done by a committee, or in this case an association. Its always an individual who accomplishes great things. It just takes one person to save this house. Unfortunately the "brain drain" has removed most of those individuals from the area.
Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on April 01, 2011, 07:53:08 AM
Well educate us then, why no effort to "recycle" as in deconstruction or housemoving? Or, maybe "it dressed in overalls and looked like work?"
I'm not a real estate expert, so you will probably understand the specifics of the situation better than I.
The bank began the foreclosure process on the house, but then "walked away." It was explained to the group that it would be difficult to clear the house of the various debts/liens associated with it. If you (or Rick) are interested, by all means, please buy it. Or, talk to the demolition contractor, and buy the structure from them.
As far as I know, (the house was discussed at 2 previous meetings, but I only attended this last meeting) there was never interest by the group to try to buy the house. The issue that was voted on was simply whether to encourage the city to demolish the house now, or to
not demolish the house now.
It took three pages of posts to learn about the true situation regarding the house. Like squeezing a turnip for blood to get any useful info. off this forum.
Quote from: Rick Rowlands on April 01, 2011, 10:32:24 AM
It took three pages of posts to learn about the true situation regarding the house. Like squeezing a turnip for blood to get any useful info. off this forum.
OK Joe Friday, this is a
discussion forum, after all.
Seriously though, the rancorous nature this forum has acquired over the last year or so has driven away some posters who might have been able to provide this information sooner.
just because this forum becomes a battle between the states does not mean bloggers should give up on debating on this blog. i believe in duking it out that is my fighting irish side of me that comes out of me.
Cutting through all the rancor (if that is what it truly is), bottom line is that no one had vision to do anything about saving the structure and anything else is just excuses. I have no usage for the house but in the future I will post pictures of a Greek revival we in Poland saved by moving it. Many on this forum resent those of us who actually perform and produce and what is established here is the talkers like Dennis and others have no response but the high school name calling, it is recorded here on past post. Those who picked up there marbles to go home remain insignificant in the community anyway.
there are people on the westside that are interested in saving the house from any more deterioration but they have to resolve several legal huddles before taking possession of this piece of property.
Once again, please explain, this YTown attitude of secrecy is backwards, maybe some of us can help and we are not talking about national security here. Communities fail when they are devided.
Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on April 05, 2011, 08:24:10 PM
Once again, please explain, this YTown attitude of secrecy is backwards, maybe some of us can help and we are not talking about national security here. Communities fail when they are devided.
Perhaps iwasthere doesn't know who these people are? The secretary at my office called about this house, and was told the same thing; a number of people have expressed interested in saving the house. I believe she called someone she knows at Lien Forward. But, whoever she called didn't give any names.
One thing the secretary learned from her call, that I forgot to share with the forum, is that there is about $90k of debt attached to the property.
Thanks Westside,
From a glance, I would deduce that the Franciscans would want the land, it fits into their acreage. If the house is condemned, the debt doesn't matter and the structure can be gotten from the demo. contractor. In PA. the demo. contractor was happy to give us the condemned structure because he saved money when the house was rolled away. The selling point of a Greek revival is its post and beam construction, there is architectural value but no value in YTown as residential. Moving it is out of the question unless no overhead lines exist, I would suggest we organize a work party with Rick leading and dismantle and store the structure. Again, I'll help if all the ego's step aside.
Shrimp, your ego never steps aside.....give it up/////
the city's adminstration and council should contact all credit bureaus to put a bad mark on anyone that owes monies to the city's cofers when their homes are taken down by the city. if they do not pay for the demoliation themselves. there are several westside blockwatches expressed interest in this property, i do not know their out on this matter. does anyone know about this latest saga.
The City for the last few decades has been illegally collecting demolition costs from property owners and depositing the funds into the City coffers when the funds belong to the State. Struthers has refused to collect demo. costs because the funds do not belong to them.
Iwasthere, please do your homework and do not be ignorant like the City administration.
The brain drain is slowly happening here, I predict the house will drain away and release carbon into our environment again.
Are you now buying into the carbon myth?
I really am not educated on the subject to make a comment one way or another, but going by what our forester says, sequestered lumber prevents decay into carbon, this I believe. Continuing to demo. all the seasoned timber in Youngstown's abandoned structures when hauled to a land fill decay, albeit decades latter from the original death of the tree.
homeowners have the responsiblity to pay their debt to the cities in which their homes were demo. it is irresponible of the property owner who thinks they do not owe the city cofers any monies because of selfish reasonings.
Hey....let's have a party, rip out the interior of the house, and put in bathtubs to grow
shrimp year round......
and we can put an oil fracking drill out in the backyard as well.....
and then we can cut down all the trees on the property and harvest timber.......
what do you think folks?????? am I truely crazy or what??????
That's right Spizak, I do more things accidentally than you do intentionally, it's called accomplishments and YOU have none. You also left out other accomplishments like free outdoor movies, let me know if you need more? BTW what happen to you sob request "I won't bother you if you don't bother me," This is another characteristic that you have none of, integrity. So what gives booger?, no one reading your post that you live your life for? Jealous because my post command move hits than yours? Oh, you need to come to our party and we will let you campaign for GOVERNOR again so we can laugh at you in your face :laugh:
just asked in my last post if my ideas were crazy....I don't think I mentioned you.....Shrimp.....
did I touch a nerve, Shrimp?
Okay, now there are over 800 hits on this subject and inspite of all our inputs, discussion and distractions, the old house at least here, has no plans or vision to do a damn thing to save, deconstruct, move or recycle it. Again, WE all talk and ZERO. Yeh, yeh, blah,blah, I know, we are waiting for a grant, today's American way of get 'er done!
Last year I saw Elvis behind the Poland Library walking down these sandstone blocks that were hauled and recycled from Youngstown, because we were too stupid to come up with a usage for them so Poland jumped at the chance. See, the brains drained to Poland.
Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on April 15, 2011, 10:41:24 PM
Okay, now there are over 800 hits on this subject and inspite of all our inputs, discussion and distractions, the old house at least here, has no plans or vision to do a damn thing to save, deconstruct, move or recycle it. Again, WE all talk and ZERO. Yeh, yeh, blah,blah, I know, we are waiting for a grant, today's American way of get 'er done!
What grant? ???
Just because the dozen or so people who continue to post here aren't involved in the salvation of this house, (at least, that I'm aware of) doesn't mean that someone else isn't doing something in real life.
:)Nothing is Impossible
Lake Erie???