Can you say 66,982?
That is Youngstown's current population according to the 2010 census.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/mar/10/2010-census-results/
Something tells me that when the districts are redrawn that the 17th district will end up on the short end of the stick.
There are many senior citizens living in my area. Look for the population of Youngstown to drop even more rapidly in the next ten years.
IMHO, we can't demolish our way to population gain. I understand, and agree with the general concept of the shrinking city. But if we want people to consider living in the city, we need to select some neighborhoods, and make them desirable places to live. YNDC is starting to do this, (in the Idora neighborhood, for example) but I haven't heard how successful they have been.
The concepts and examples are available for pockets of growth, the missing link has always been demand, population decline has always equalled demand decline. Again, as I have been writing here, demand has changed overnight because of the leasing rush on land. I am on my way to a meeting wherein an old family with acreage in the City is now going to pay property taxes from now forward. As others, they could not afford to pay taxes on land that did not produce revenue itself. The delinquent land in Mahoning county is in a good position now, because all delinquent taxes from 2005 back are totally expunged and here is the best part, if taxes are paid from now forward, back taxes from 2005 if cert. were sold, expire every year starting with the oldest year.
Point here is that investors are buying property in the City aggressively because of the oil. Land is being absorbed now but lots with houses are soon to follow because every parcel is part of the puzzle to create the 640 acres the energy companies want. Here is another tip, as we speak, in a few months because tax certs. are being negotiated now, all property in Youngstown over five acres will be current and tax generating.
Here's a reason.
Summer of 2000 there was a juvenile fight across the street from where i lived on the South Side. I started across the street to break it up.
One of the Juveniles pulled out a gun and fired it in the air. There were children as young as 5 years old standing around.
I called the police, I told them about the gunfire and the kids name who had the gun. The kid left and took the gun home then came back.
When the police showed up they never asked about the gun.
My sister told me to drop it that he was "a good kid"
3 months later and a block away that same "good kid" killed 2 other "good' kids. With the same gun.
This is only one small incident that makes good people leave the city. But hey, that's just my own opinion.
But why did the population decline increase, as the crime rate decreased?
I would guess that the population has continued to decline because of the scarcity of good
paying jobs in the local area... good neighborhoods and a good school system still do not
put food on the table at the end of the day...
Quote from: AllanY2525 on March 10, 2011, 12:41:22 PM
I would guess that the population has continued to decline because of the scarcity of good
paying jobs in the local area... good neighborhoods and a good school system still do not
put food on the table at the end of the day...
I agree that lack of jobs is probably a major contributor. But you'd be surprised how often people ask about moving to Youngstown on City-Data.com. (it's not everyday or anything, but moving to Youngstown comes up more often than moving to Canton, for example) And, the most common response is some variation of: "don't move to the city, all of the suburbs are great!"
Quote from: sfc_oliver on March 10, 2011, 10:27:16 AM
Here's a reason.
Summer of 2000 there was a juvenile fight across the street from where i lived on the South Side. I started across the street to break it up.
One of the Juveniles pulled out a gun and fired it in the air. There were children as young as 5 years old standing around.
I called the police, I told them about the gunfire and the kids name who had the gun. The kid left and took the gun home then came back.
When the police showed up they never asked about the gun.
My sister told me to drop it that he was "a good kid"
3 months later and a block away that same "good kid" killed 2 other "good' kids. With the same gun.
This is only one small incident that makes good people leave the city. But hey, that's just my own opinion.
sarge are you sure that happened on the southside because ytown police chiefs from the past to the present gone on record with ss residents and the vindy that there is no crimminal activity on the ss.
Who are leaving? Productive citizens or the dependent class?
The entitled I bet are experiencing a population explosion in the City. Come to Youngstown, the landlord has to pay for your water and the machine that gets you houses, food, heat and medicine are humming at the speed of welfare for you. Ya all come now.
Quote from: Rick Rowlands on March 10, 2011, 10:23:41 PM
Who are leaving? Productive citizens or the dependent class?
Since the numbers are so high, I'd say both.
I would venture that the "productive class" are leaving - so they can be prosperous as well as productive elsewhere.
In that case why bother trying to revive Youngstown. What is the point if only the subhumans will be left in a couple of decades?
Debartolo once said, the country is the new downtown, Shrimp says the downtown is the new country, grow shrimp!
Quote from: Rick Rowlands on March 11, 2011, 08:36:28 PM
In that case why bother trying to revive Youngstown. What is the point if only the subhumans will be left in a couple of decades?
Is that really the direction we want to go? If so, let me know. I'll give up my quest to buy and fix up a house on the north side, and start making plans to move out of the area ASAP.
Thanks Ricky for your compassion once again.....
can't wait for the subhumans to move into your backyard of Coalburg.....
We would shoot them first. Quite literally!
I just don't see any other outcome for Youngstown. If the decline of the productive class continues, then the parasites will soon take over and we will be left with a somewhat civilized downtown surrounded by a wasteland of public and section 8 housing, gangs and crime. The parasites do not contribute to the city, they do not pay taxes yet consume a large amount of the city's resources. Their presence makes the productive class feel unsafe to even drive through certain parts of town.
So if we truly want to save Youngstown and return it to a condition of being a place where the working and middle class want to live, that means that the parasites have to go. Our only hope really is for a Republican administration to defund HUD and force the closure of many of the housing projects and discontinuance of the section 8 program.
Westside, we must never give up, when one falls it is a learning lesson when one gets up. When you quit, you are merely another loser.
Rick, please be careful about the identification of subhumans. Not to long ago an advance country categorized the cream of their society the same and destroyed themselves. Yes they are savages, worse than animals but they are our brothers too.
What we must do now is require them to work in the oil fields. The savages who do not work, we unleash the national guard on them and place them into work camps. Those who continue to be unproductive, we shackle.
Shrimp, hmm, your view of life in the oil fields sounds vaguely familiar...has a fascist theme to it.....
Quote from: Rick Rowlands on March 12, 2011, 07:29:14 AM
So if we truly want to save Youngstown and return it to a condition of being a place where the working and middle class want to live, that means that the parasites have to go. Our only hope really is for a Republican administration to defund HUD and force the closure of many of the housing projects and discontinuance of the section 8 program.
Call me skeptical. How would this get done?
This is so sad, The Mayor needs to come on this site and explain himself and his leadership. Youngstown 2010 , the controlled shrinkage of the City, shrinkage in our competitive edge. What were the Mayor's and D'Avignon's qualifications to get their jobs? Now it is Youngstown 2020, who will be the next inept leader to lead Youngstown down the path of growth and prosperity. I think we need Phil Kidd or Dennis Spisak, they both have accomplishments behind their names. Self-proclaimed accomplishments.
At 17.1%, Cleveland's population drop is nearly as significant as Youngstown's. But if you look at this map: http://media.cleveland.com/metro/photo/10wg1acensusjpg-f6f521b5b0b769a5.jpg you can see that some of Cleveland's core neighborhoods are showing strong growth, which indicates that revitalization is beginning. Unfortunately, I would be surprised if Youngstown has any neighborhoods like this, because the city continues to focus its energy on demolition. (downtown Ytown has improved greatly, but I don't think there are any significant population increases yet)