The Green Party And Ending Poverty In Ohio
Every Ohioan has the right to food, housing, medical care, jobs that pay a living wage, education, and support in times of hardship.
Greens believe that support for families, children, the poor and the disabled must not be given grudgingly; it is the right of those presently in need and an investment in our future. We must take an uncompromising position that the care and nurture of children, elders and the disabled are essential to a healthy, peaceful, and sustainable society. We should recognize that the work of their caregivers is of social and economic value, and reward it accordingly. Ensuring that children and their caregivers have access to an adequate, secure standard of living should form the cornerstone of our economic priorities. Only then can we hope to build our future on a foundation of healthy, educated children who are raised in an atmosphere of love and security.
Green Solutions
1. Restore federally-funded entitlement program to support children, families, the unemployed, elderly and disabled, with no time limit on benefits.
2. Establish a graduated supplemental income, or negative income tax, that would maintain all individual adult incomes above the poverty level, regardless of employment or marital status.
3. Provide massive investments in living-wage job development and work training programs. Publicly-funded work training and education programs should have a goal of increasing employment options at finding living-wage jobs.
4. Provide public funding for the development of living-wage jobs in community and environmental service, including environmental clean-up, recycling, sustainable agriculture and food production, sustainable forest management, repair and maintenance of public facilities, neighborhood-based public safety, aides in schools, libraries and childcare centers, and construction and renovation of energy-efficient housing. Oppose enterprise zone give-aways which benefit corporations more than inner-city communities.
5. Enact tax policies to encourage businesses to adopt fair employee wage distribution standards.
6. Stop forcing welfare recipients to accept jobs that pay less than a living wage. Workfare is a form of indentured servitude.
7. Require corporations receiving public subsidies to provide jobs that pay a living wage, observe basic workers' rights, and agree to affirmative action policies.
Let's see if I have this right? "From each, according to their abilities; to each according to thier needs." Do I have it right Dennis?
Sounds like the Democratic platform to me.
Also sounds like a National Council of Churches policy statement as well as the Catholic Council of Bishops.
Quote from: Towntalk on June 28, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Sounds like the Democratic platform to me.
Also sounds like a National Council of Churches policy statement as well as the Catholic Council of Bishops.
democratic platform or not i say it is a healthy platform for a country to have to feed the needy, downtrodden and such. "by the grace of God go I"
I really do get tired of repeating myself iwasthere, but as a lifetime Roosevelt Democrat I have no real argument with it. My comments were directed to Dan, not Dennis.
The Third Depression
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/krugman-the-third-depression/
Worrying about the wrong spending will keep us from doing the right spending
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/06/worrying_about_the_wrong_spend.html
Two questions for Dennis:
1. Do you believe our Country should be governed by the U.S. Constitution word for word, as amended?
2. Without pointing to the "promote the general welfare" clause, where does the Constitution indicate that every Ohioan has the right to food, housing, medical care, jobs that pay a living wage, education, and support in times of hardship?
The only right Dan believe's in is the right to die...... :'(
Answer please, Dennis.
Dan, the Constitution is flexible, didn't you learn that in Government class?
Dan, you may want to live in an America with a strict interpretation of the Constitution, but I for one want to live in an Ohio and America where
everyone has the right to food, housing, medical care, jobs that pay a living wage, education, and support in times of hardship!
Quote from: Towntalk on June 28, 2010, 03:01:46 PM
I really do get tired of repeating myself iwasthere, but as a lifetime Roosevelt Democrat I have no real argument with it. My comments were directed to Dan, not Dennis.
towntalk you should have been more specific with that comment. i did not mean to ruffle your feathers but your posting sounded like you were against dennis's comment concerning people who are in need of food and shelter. mea culpa. :)
No Dennis, I didn't learn that the Constitution is "flexible". If you think about it, you would instantly reject that concept, because if it is flexible, who is to decide what it will allow and what it won't. Would you be happy that it is "flexible" if conservatives were in the majority and were appointing judges? The only flexibility in the Constitution is that the process to ammend it is so arduous.
Again Dennis, the argument comes down to fairness vs. freedom. You simply can not recognize the world suffering that has resulted from the quest for fairness. Every repressive regime that kills its people was predicated on fairness. The old Soviet Union, China, Cuba all supposedly were dedicated to insuring that it's down trodden population would no longer have to suffer under the yoke of Capitalism. Instead they create societies so vile that they have to fence in their borders to keep their people from escaping. Even the ones that are not yet dictatorial end up causing massive suffering as they bankrupt themselves chasing "fairness". Just look at Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal. Socialism does not work, even if you couch it as something different (The Green Party).
Dan, we do have a flexible Constitution...look at all the damn conservative judges the Republicans have appointed since 1980....
Judges who believe corporations are people?
And what will your interpretation of freedom bring, Dan? A land of the super-rich? Sounds like the monarchy we overthrew in 1776.
A CEO in America makes 411 times more than his hourly workers.....Is he worth 411 workers? Is he smarter than 411 workers?
I think not.
You want to be free Dan? Move off shore like all of our manufacturing base and businesses have done. Then you can be free.....
You're just too cheap to pay taxes for the poor.....but you'll pay taxes to support Republican big ticket items......
Dennis, you understand so little. When I worked at Lordstown the union was big on contrasting how many times our our wage the CEO made. I remember thinking "SO". I cared what I made, not what some CEO made. The other thing I thought was that the wage we got was extorted to some degree, in the sense that we bargained for it by threatening to shut down the manufacturing process. The Ceo, on the other hand only had the threat of withdrawing his services. Between the CEO, and the workers, only the CEO could say that he was worth what he was getting paid, because his job was always open to competition from the labor market. In other words, if the company found someone willing to do the CEO's job for a lot less money, they were free to do so. Not so with us workers, we would never be foolish enough to let our jobs open to the market place.
Personally, I think most CEO's are grossly overpaid, and could be replaced for a lot less money. I'm sure there are many people who could do a good job for a tenth of what most CEO's make. But, at least they could say their compensation wasn't extorted. And by the way, corporations are "people".
Dan, Wouldn't it be if every Ohioan has the right to food, housing, medical care, jobs that pay a living wage, education, and support in times of hardship?
Is the status quo good?
Dennis, let's talk "natural" rights here. If something is a natural right, it would remain intact even if a person was stranded on a desert isle, and all alone. Freedom of speech, the right to privacy, and most importantly, the right to be left alone would still apply. These are all natural God given rights and do not require any imposition upon others. Just where would your right to food, housing, medical care, education, and a living wage be if you were all alone? Notice all your so called rights require a claim on another person's labor. What about their right to be left alone. What if they don't want to work to provide these things for someone else. Your so called rights require the use of force upon others to participate. You are saying that you have the right to force someone to do work for someone else. Isn't that servitude?
Whoa there Dan!!! Good grief, you are discussing concepts that Dennis cannot possibly comprehend. ;D
Is the value that a CEO brings to a corporation worth 411 times more than an average worker? The average worker only cares about his company during the 8 hours he or she is on the job. The average worker is trained to perform a few tasks within a much larger whole. If that average worker did not show up for work tomorrow, he or she could be replaced with little effort.
By contrast, a CEO is responsible for the success of the entire corporation, and has in his hands the burden of making the company prosper to the benefit of perhaps thousands of employees and thousands of stockholders. If that CEO did not come to work tomorrow, it would take time to find a replacement that has the skills to navigate the company. So is a CEO worth 411 times what an average worker makes? Yes!
Who would take the job of running a multi billion dollar corporation, responsible to thousands of people, who may be called to testify before Congress, who could be caught inthe middle of a huge accident... For $40,000 a year? The stress, amount of work and the experience needed to do so successfully is worth way more than that.
Sorry Ricky, you were not invited to this discussion,,, go back and play in your scrap junkyard....
Let's remember our manners Dennis, of course Rick's comments are a welcome addition.
Dan, then you hold a discission with him....I refuse to waste my time on him....
And this is the person who believes they should be Governor?
I think not.
Thanks for your vote, Sargent Neo-Con....