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I am a Democratic candidate for Tim Ryan's seat. You can learn more about me here: http://www.danmoadus.org/  The site is still under construction so please bear with me. You will find that new content and functionality will be added often.

I look forward to answering any questions about my candidacy and positions that you may have......Dan Moadus

Dan Moadus is the Conservative Republican running as a Democrat for the 17th Congressional District. Please check out vindy.com to read his conservative kool-aid writings.....

good for a laugh.....scary for America!

Ever heard of any Republicans getting fired for leading a wildcat strike at Lordstown fighting for workers rights as I have?

Read your posts, Dan, you are more conservative than Sarah Palin!

I didn't say I wasn't a conservative; I said I wasn't a Republican.

 conservative=Republican....SAME THING!!!!!!


BAD FOR AMERICA!!!!!!      BAD FOR OHIO!!!!!!!

THANK BOB TAFT FOR THE BUDGET PROBLEMS OHIO FACES TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND DUBYA BUSH FOR THE ECONOMIC AND FOREIGN PROBLEMS AMERICA FACES TODAY!!!!

AND WE WANT TO PUT CONSERVATIVE MAD MOADUS IN WASHINGTON?????  I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!

Dennis still doesn't realize that we had positive economic growth until the Democrats took over the congress in Jan of 07.

The US Congress controls the economy Dennis not the President. 

Even this old Sergeant knows that. And I'll vote for anyone who has a chance to beat Tim Ryan, Even another Democrat.

Conservative = Good for America. Liberal spending is destroying us. (and that includes Bush)

Can anyone explain Tim Ryan's vote on the Hate Crimes legislation? To give protected class status to all forms of sexual deviancies such as pedophiles. Why would he vote for this? And why would Democrats refuse to grant the same status to priests and policemen?

Dan, welcome to the forum.  Please don't pay much attention to Dennis, he is moving farther and farther left every day and in so doing is losing what littel credibility that he once had.  He's a useful idiot of the Green party and thats about all.

I wish you much luck in defeating Tim Ryan.  Ryan does not represent the 17th District, to represent us he would actually have to listen to the will of his people.  This area shoots itself in the foot by being so damn loyal to the Democrat party.  Because of that loyalty our rep. can use his vote to satisfy the party leadership without fear of repercussions from the constituents.  Both Ryan and Peolsi know that no matter what Ryan does he'll still be reelected. 

I am very much looking forward to hearing Ryan defend his vote on cap and trade tommorrow on WKBN.  Its the worst thing to come down from Washington in a long while, and will certainly hurt this valley, and no amount of two million dollar grants that are occasionally thrown our way will mitigate the damage that is coming.  IF it passes I predict that Severstal will never reopen and V&M Star will not build their expansion.  Useful idiots like Dennis would say that its a good thing, that we need to put solar panels and windmills up on top of V&M's building to generate the electric to run their EAF and seamless tube mill.  Of course the rest of us know that is simply not possible, but that is what V&M would have to do to be able to compete after cap and trade is enacted into law. 

You can count me as a supporter of your campaign!

Quote from: Rick Rowlands on July 12, 2009, 10:02:17 PM
He's a useful idiot of the Green party and thats about all.

Please abide by our rules.  There should be no defamatory content.   

The man stated he is willing to answer questions. 
Perhaps it would be in our best interest  to ask the questions before expressing our own ideas and positions?

Though I disagree with the "Global warming" crowd I think we can agree on at least three things:

First, we know that the Earth has been in existence for nearly four billion years, and mankind has been around for about ten thousand, with only the last hundred or so of those years being industrialized. So in this long existence, any damage caused by mankind has been limited to this narrow time span. Also knowing that the Earth has been through many cataclysmic climate events, I think it is safe to say that it will survive for another 25 years or so, regardless of what we do or don't do. Other than Ted Danson or Al Gore, most reasonable people don't see us perishing in the next decade or so due to global warming.

Secondly, I don't see even the environmental zealots making the claim that we are being killed by dirty air. I think most people understand that life expectancy has risen continually, and we will probably continue doing so.

And third, we share the atmosphere with the rest of the world. We don't have an "American atmosphere". Bad emissions from American cars and industries will circle the globe, and bad emissions from other nations will as well.

With these three things in mind and considering the present plight we find our economy in, don't you think we could take a break from saving the globe for a couple of decades and allow American industry a little breathing room so that it can be revived? Let China and India take up the fight for the next ten years, because if they decide not to worry about the environment and continue to build their industries at the pace they are currently doing, it won't matter how "green" America becomes anyways.

Let's get off the backs of American industry for a while so that it can do what it does best which, of course, is to lead the world. We need to restore our industrial base and economy to secure a decent standard of living for our children.

Let's take a gamble that the globe can make if for another 20 or 25 years, and then revisit the global warming issue. In the mean time, maybe China and India could be persuaded to join us in making the necessary changes.
Taking into account the rapid pace of technology (think of all the products that didn't even exist 25 years ago) there more than likely will be fuel and battery technologies developed in the next decade or so that we can't envision today, that will help all of the world protect and restore the environment. Let's not make our Country destitute before that happens........Dan Moadus   http://www.danmoadus.org/

And that is what I have been saying. Take our time and allow science to work it out.

Dan,

learn some facts......East Liverpool has one of the worst air quality ratings IN THE COUNTRY>.......have a huge cancer rate for a city of it's size, and has a mentally developmentally disabled child population that is off the map....

And it is DIRTY AIR that is the MAIN CAUSE.......

Do some research before you spit out conservative spinning lies, Dan......

You simply can not pick a city, then cite it as a place where people die of cancer more than the national average. That was said of Girard as well, but it was studied and proved not true. The sky is always falling for liberals, er, excuse me, "progressives". Like the coming ice age of the 70's, or the hole in the Ozone layer, or acid rain, or bird flu. You just can not accept that living is dangerous, and life is not fair. Sit back and relax; no one gets out of this alive anyhow.

It was in the East Liverpool Review Newspaper as a news story, Dan.....

And your comment "No one gets out of here alive" doesn't sound like a comment a congressman would make......unless you were auditioning to be lead singer for " The Doors".....

Dennis you have no room to tell anyone what comments a congressman might make. After all the Bull you have posted about conservatives in General and the military.

Sarge, you have no room to talk either....all the inequality and injustice that you believe that has come out of your mouth is not fitting of a U.S. Military Man.......

It's only inequality and injustice to you.

Show me where I have made any such statements.

I am more than happy to defend any statements i have made.

Can you say the Same? (IE "Sarge, I am sorry my taxes pay for your retirement.")

Forum Manager, there was no defamatory content.  The term "useful idiot" is used to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, hostile government, or business.   You are welcome to independently verify that statement.

From Google...

Laura Ingraham Calls Meghan McCain A "Useful Idiot"Mar 17, 2009 ... In the latest insult, Ingraham sent out an email calling McCain a "useful idiot"...

Rick,

you are so insensitive you can't even admit when you insult someone.


Sarge,

When I say I believe in returning America to a middle class society you say it's ok that we have poor people in America and if they are poor, tough luck....

You're supposed to defend all Americans, Soldier...or did they teach you to discriminate? ( opps, I forgot, don't ask, don't tell)

"Sit back and relax; no one gets out of this alive anyhow. " - Dan Moadus

I completely understand the point that Dan was making, and all you need to do is visit any cemetary.

Are you suggesting that under the Green Party, death would be abolished and we would all live eternally? ???

ETERNAL = FOREVER

Green Party members fight for clean air and justice......unlike Mr. Moadus who believes we should just continued to live with pollution and dirty, toxic air...

Did he ACTUALLY say: "I favor polluted water." "I favor dirty air."?

PLEASE cite HIS EXACT words, their source and date. NOT YOUR INTURPRATION OF WHAT HE SAID.

Regardless of your religion, every one of us must admit that the Bible was written 1500 to 2000 years ago.

And in this book we are told that one man stated that "The Poor will always be with you"

Now we have a new savior who believes that we can make the poor rich.

I do not believe that the Constitution that I swore to defend ever stated that we would not have poor people. Nor does it state that we will be a middle class society. That rather sounds sort of Socialist to me.

Can you show us or tell us where in the Constitution of the United States of America that the poor have to be made middle class at the expense of the rich and middle class?

Dennis you are living in a fools paradise if you think that is what this country is all about. We are free to pursue happiness, We are not guaranteed it.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on July 13, 2009, 10:47:56 PM
You simply can not pick a city, then cite it as a place where people die of cancer more than the national average. That was said of Girard as well, but it was studied and proved not true. The sky is always falling for liberals, er, excuse me, "progressives". Like the coming ice age of the 70's, or the hole in the Ozone layer, or acid rain, or bird flu. You just can not accept that living is dangerous, and life is not fair. Sit back and relax; no one gets out of this alive anyhow.

Sarge...you still believe gays should not be in the military. You are a bigot and you discriminate.

Ah I knew that the gays would be next.

Up until the last 20 years or so Being Homosexual was defined as being a sexual deviant. So terribly sorry if I haven't kept up with the times.

Wasn't it called "newspeak" in George Orwells's 1984?

My Gay Stepson accepts my feelings and beliefs I wonder why heterosexual progressives do not?

At any rate Dennis this is an opinion which I share a large percentage of the country. Even many of your own. And some Conservatives disagree with me.

Funny thing about opinions when you have first hand knowledge and experience about the subject. People with intelligence tend to actually listen to you.
Gay Stepson and 22 years in the Military. Not just an opinion but an informed opinion. Doesn't mean it's right, but at least I've been there.

Life isn't fair, and you more than anyone else should know that.

Was your dismissal as a school principal fair?

Was your son's disability fair?

Life has a way of throwing raw deals our way, and I know of nothing that the Green Party can do to prevent them no matter how hard they try.

I would like nothing more than to live in an area of 100% clean air in a pristine forest, drinking crystal clear water out of a babbling brook and looking out my front door see beauty all around me, absent hundreds of thousands of pages of government regulations dictating my life from the moment I awake until I lay my head down for a good nights sleep.

I would like nothing more than to walk out to a garden briming with all sorts of fresh vegetables free of contamination, and free of all the bugs that damage crops, but I would not want some stranger dictating to me how I should care for that garden waving a fist full of regulations in my face.

I would like nothing better than to remain as healthy as I was fifty years ago and never grow old, but that's not possable unless the Green Party has found the Fountain of Youth and can guarintee me that it is both real and 100% pure.

Just wondering Dennis. Which do you think, we in America should value more, freedom, or fairness?

with fairness comes freedom.....

Fairness to whom? To the lazy? Or to the guy who busts his butt to make a decent living? Again we are not all equal except under law. Financially you get what you work for not what Big Brother gives you.
And to me that's fair.

fairness breeds greater freedom for all......

Quote from: irishbobcat on July 14, 2009, 10:13:52 PM
fairness breeds greater freedom for all......

Not if fairness consists of taking from one man, what he has earned, and giving it to another. No freedom in that.

But Dan.... you know its just not FAIR that you have a job when this poor sap next to you doesn't.  We have decided that your savings, assets and investments are more than you need to live on, and given your rather short remaining life expectancy we must take a good part of what you have and give to that fellow.   And Dan we don't want to hear that you worked hard for what you have.  It isn't this guy's fault that he never applied himself, if only we had the money that we said that we needed for his education perhaps he would have learned how to take care of himself.

After all its only FAIR! 

That's very funny Rick. Though you said it in jest, others are deadly serious.  Fortunately, I think they are still in the minority.

Tim Ryan appeared on the Matt Patrick show in Akron today. Patrick asked him, "Polls indicate that your constituents are not in favor of the health care bill being considered in Congress, will you still vote for it?"
Ryan answered "Yes", but added that he felt that his constituents really don't understand the importance of it.

Please visit:  http://www.danmoadus.org/

I can not imagine anyone not agreeing that we have the best health care in the world. It certainly has it flaws and shortcomings but it far surpasses anything in existence.

Detractors point to the uninsured, which they claim is approximately 47 million people. According to census data and other reliable sources, about 10 million of the uninsured are not even Americans, but people who come here illegally. Nearly 9 million consist of people who make between $50,000 and $75,000 a year who can afford insurance but choose to spend their money on other things. It is also estimated that fully 45 percent of those uninsured are people moving between jobs, who expect to regain coverage as they transition to new jobs.

Subtracting non citizens, and those who could afford insurance but choose not to purchase it, leaves about 20 million, or about 7 percent of our population. I certainly can not support upending the entire health care system just to insure coverage for 7 percent of our population.  We could just write checks to pay for their health care needs at a fraction of what the costs will be of a government funded and managed system.

I favor market based solutions that foster competition between insurers as well as providers. We should also help those who want to go into the medical profession by making sure they can afford the necessary education.

Though it did not get enacted, at least the plan put forward during the Clinton Administration, was developed and debated for months. This current Congress is racing ahead with its health care plans at a breath taking speed virtually insuring that any plan will be haphazardly constructed. Considering that our current system has served us for at least a century, I think we should be able to take our time on this issue so we don't worsen things.

And finally, I will support no plan unless Congress itself accepts it as their plan. Any plan that isn't good enough for them isn't good enough for the American people.

Keep living in denial, Dan......Our health care system is broke.......and so is your campaign.

Single-payer is the only answer........

The hijacking of health reform

By Susanne L. King, M.D.
The Berkshire Eagle
Tuesday, July 07, 2009

Headlines in the Berkshire Eagle recently proclaimed that Berkshire Health Systems (BHS) is cutting the equivalent of 65 full-time jobs, and will lose $3 million this year. This is neither good for employment nor for the health of our population in the Berkshires. The culprits are the cuts to Medicaid and Medicare, the programs that cover 70 percent of the BHS population.

BHS president David Phelps reports that financial problems at Berkshire Medical Center have been aggravated by Massachusetts health care reform. While more patients have enrolled in insurance plans, the reimbursements for these plans are similar to Medicaid rates, which don't actually cover the cost of care.

As the major non-profit provider of health care for the Berkshire community suffers financially, the for-profit insurance industry, (which only administers the funds, and provides no actual health care services), is raking in the money. In the current economic and health care crisis, United Health Group, America's largest health insurance company, enjoyed an increase of 8 percent in revenues for the first quarter of 2009, with a net profit of $984 million. There is something wrong when the administrators of the health care funds are making exorbitant profits, while the providers of the health care services are struggling to remain solvent.

The private for-profit insurance industry diverts roughly $400 billion/year from medical services. In addition, the Senate Commerce Committee recently released a staff report about how health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers should have paid themselves.

Will the current health care reform being formulated in Washington address these issues? Not a chance, even if President Obama gets a public plan option into the reform legislation. Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a founder of the 16,000-member Physicians for a National Health Program, stated in her testimony to Congress: "Insurers compete by not paying for care: by denying payment and shifting costs onto patients or other payers. These bad behaviors confer a decisive competitive advantage. A public plan option would either emulate them - becoming a clone of private insurance - or go under. A kinder, gentler public plan option would quickly fail in the marketplace, saddled with the sickest, most expensive patients, whose high costs would drive premiums to uncompetitive levels."

In addition, the overhead for a public plan option would be higher than for Medicare, which automatically enrolls seniors at 65, deducts premiums from Social Security checks, and does no marketing. The administrative costs for the whole health care system would remain astronomical, as health care providers would continue to struggle with mountains of paperwork and denials of payment from multiple insurance companies. A public plan option would not curb the escalating costs of new technology, and would not address variability in the quality of care.

The only way to attain universal health care coverage, while containing escalating health care costs and standardizing quality of care, is to eliminate the insurance companies, and establish a single-payer "Improved Medicare for All" program. Hospitals, doctors and other providers must be adequately reimbursed for their medical services. This would be possible if the profiteering and waste of the health insurance industry were eliminated, and those health care dollars went to the actual provision of medical care. And hospitals could be paid like fire departments, with a single monthly check and little billing. There is federal legislation for a national health program in both houses of Congress, John Conyers bill, HR 676, and Bernie Sanders bill in the Senate, S.703.

Last year a survey of doctors showed that 59 percent support a national health plan, up from 49 percent in 2002. (Only one in five doctors are in the American Medical Association, which opposes a national health plan). So why is single-payer health care reform "off the table"' as Senator Max Baucus, chairman of the Finance Committee, said, before he threw eight single-payer advocates, including several doctors, out of a "public roundtable discussion" and had them arrested. Could it be related to the more than $1 million in donations Baucus received from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries in the 2008 election year cycle?

Wendell Potter, a former health insurance industry insider has this to say, ". . . big for-profit insurers have high-jacked our health care system and turned it into a giant ATM for Wall Street investors, and . . . the industry is using its massive wealth and influence to determine what is (and is not) included in the health reform legislation members of Congress are now writing."

What is going on in Washington right now is not in the best interests of patients, or the doctors and hospitals that serve them. Patients have no lobbyists speaking for their interests in Congress. Most doctors do not want the AMA to speak for them. Contact your congressmen and ask them to sponsor HR 676 and Bernie Sander's bill. (On his Web site, Sanders also has an online petition you can sign and pass along to your friends).

Susanne L. King, M.D., is a Lenox-based practitioner.

A good question to ask Tim Ryan is to explain what the definition of "representative" is.  I sincerely think he does not have a clue.  A representative stands up for the desires of those who are being represented. A representative is not a leader, he does not make policy and then tries to conform the represented to follow his ideas and plans.  Ryan thinks his constituents are uninformed, uneducated masses who need to be led by him, sicne he obviously knows better what you need than you know yourself. 

If Tim Ryan wants to be a leader than he should run for an office in a leadership role.  The executive branch is where the leaders are, the legislative branch is for people who "represent" the will of the citizens.

so if everybody in your district thinks segregation is good, you should be a
supporting segregation in America?

Rick, if your not on drugs, you ought to be.

Oh, when is your white bigot festival taking place?

First off not one person in here brought up race or segregation of any type, Except of course the far left you know who......

Now I had a cataract evaluation today and was informed that I need surgery on both eyes. But because I have no other underlying eye problems I could have a newer type lenses that would not only correct the cataracts but would correct my vision 100%.

Only one problem, My socialized medicine (as Dennis likes to remind us) will not pay for the newer lenses. I will have to take the older ones and still need reading glasses. Or pay up to $1800 per eye.

Isn't That government controlled health care wonderful? (NOT)

Quote from: irishbobcat on July 17, 2009, 12:22:39 PM
so if everybody in your district thinks segregation is good, you should be a
supporting segregation in America?

Rick, if your not on drugs, you ought to be.

Oh, when is your white bigot festival taking place?

Dennis is right here. He is making the point that we are not a Democracy. We are a Republic. Our representatives are supposed to base their votes on principles expressed in our Constitution and not the public sentiment. However, his big issues, like single payer health care, and cap and trade, could not be supported in a Republic based on our Constitution, and I defy him to show otherwise.

More than likely he will point to the article that says the government should provide for the general welfare. Its the liberals favorite phrase.

Dan, but IT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION>>>>>>>>>>SO STICK IT!

Not so touchy Dennis. Where in the Constitution does it say our government can sell energy credits to private industry? And where does it say our government can own private businesses? Where does it say, in the Constitution that government can send you to jail for "speech", as can happen with the Matthew Sheppard hate crimes legislation? Dennis where does the Constitution say that an individual FBI agent can write a search warrant if he feels like searching your home, and you could be jailed if you tell anyone about it. Not even your wife, or your attorney?

I never said the US was a democracy. What I said is that the votes of our representatives should reflect the desires and sentiments of their constituents.  But by the both of your admissions you feel that it is just fine if our representative does whatever he pleases regardless of what the constituents think?  I can understand Dennis on this but I suppose Dan is covering his tail so that he doesn't say anything that we could hold him to should he be elected.

Dennis please cite line and verse that gives constitutional authority for what Dan has mentioned.  The only provision that I see is the 10th amendment which states that all powers not explicitly spelled out in the constitution are reserved to the states and the people.  So the State of Ohio would be well within their rights to enact hate crimes legislation and sell energy credits, but the Federal Govt. does not have that power. 

BTW if your next reply does not include citations of the constitution I will conclude that there are none and that you are again talking through your hat.

I am sorry if my remarks were not clear enough. I think our Representatives should be bound by our Constitution, and should not cast votes that contradict it, even if his or her constituents want otherwise. I pledge to never cast a vote contrary to our Constitution. If it seems to be an unpopular vote, I will still cast it, and defend it as best I can, even if it means losing an election.

The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Dan, so, if Rick and Sarge, and a "majority" of your voters calls you up and believes in a return to segregation, you would support a constitutional admendment for this?

Where does segregation come from? Why must the left make everything about race and hating?

Yet If I back the Flag Protection amendment i am against free speech.

yes sarge, you are..........go sell raffle tickets......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44R5BapEdYY

Now that is really funny  a Utube link to a Hollywood movie. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Is that the best you can do?

The 106th Congress narrowly failed to send a
constitutional amendment to allow punishment of flag desecration to the states. In the 107th and
108th Congresses, such proposals were passed by the House.

I believe you will find that it is again in congress and this time it may just make it. So we may yet change the constitution which the Courts can not then say is unconstitutional.

But until that time, I will defend your right to burn the symbol of our freedoms Dennis.

You see I am not against freedom of speech, I am against the current definition of it. And a great American organization (the American Legion) fights to change our constitution to protect this symbol of our freedoms. But you just can't accept that. It will happen.

And please no more from Hollywood as a reference.

But it is the truth, Sarge...and that is what is so funny....HAHAHAHAHA.....

So take your flag burning Amerndment and stick it........

No Dennis, I posted the truth, you posted something made up by a Hollywood writer.

Some names you may recognize who have sponsored Flag protection Amendments:  Feinstein, Hatch, and Murtha.

And so you understand that the majority is for the amendment:

   In the 104th Congress, the House, by a vote of 312 to 120 passed H.J.Res. 79
In the 105th Congress, the House, by a vote of 310 to 114 passed H.J.Res. 54, 143
In the 106th Congress, the House, by a vote of 305 to
124 passed H.J.Res. 33, 145
In the 107th Congress, the House, by a vote of 298 to 125 passed H.J.Res. 36, 147
In the 108th Congress, The House, by a vote of 300 to 125 passed H.J.Res. 4, 149

Facts Dennis, it is how you actually win an argument.

Fact is Flag Burning is NOT a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. CASE CLOSED.

It is in committee before the current congress. We'll get it done.

Case is not closed, and won't be as long as true Americans still have a voice in the USA.


http://www.legion.org/cfa/

Oh, only true Americans carry guns and still march proudly?

Call me when you git er done.......NOT!

So sad , Dennis that photo was taken on memorial Day of this year while forming up to fire a 21 gun salute to our dead veterans.

You are a very sorry excuse for an American.

you are a sorry excuse for a soldier, with your bigot opinions...

and I am twice the American you would ever hope to become.....

I wished I didn't respect this forum right now.

You wouldn't make a pimple on this Americans ass.

What did you do on memorial day?

I was in the Boardman Memorial Parade. I visited my WWII father's grave.

The bottom line Sarge I am done arguing with you. You are a right wing conservative who will never change his mind and I am a left Wing Progressive who will never let you change my mind.

So, do us both a favor and let's set boundaries that you know longer answer my posts and I know longer answer yours.....


Good Day, Sargent.

That would be Sergeant First Class to you.

Moadus got my vote. He is everything I want in a Congressmen. The only exception is that damn D next to his name. Of course no R can beat Ryan, but could a conservative D?

I sure as hell hope so!

Moadus for Congress!

Quote from: YtownNewsandViews on July 19, 2009, 09:19:41 PM
Moadus got my vote. He is everything I want in a Congressmen. The only exception is that damn D next to his name. Of course no R can beat Ryan, but could a conservative D?

I sure as hell hope so!

Moadus for Congress!

So far I would have to agree with you.  If he is on the ballot he'll have my vote.

Wow Dennis, If you disagree with the man that's one thing, but don't disrespect the service he has done for this country, I'm not putting down you or what you do either, I'm just saying a being a soldier isn't like a normal day job, and what SFC Oliver has done by serving his country deserves a little respect, or at least a lack of disrepect.

Thanks for your service sarge.

Assist-Protect-Defend
Military Police

At least this forum has exposed Dennis for who he truly is before he ever got the chance to be elected to office.  I remember when he first started posting here, not many of us knew anything about him or what to think about him, but we sure do now!   

Thank you for your support, But trust me I've heard it all before from the same groups of people.

What hurts me the most is that these attacks and misspellings actually came from someone who has been educating our children.

It almost scares me where our country is going.
                                  :(

our country will be here for another 200 yrs.

Yes Iwasthere it will be, but would we recognize it as the Democratic Republic we love with the freedoms we cherish?

I just finished an interview on a Blog Talk Radio  show called "Infidel's Watch"  at: http://infidelsparadise.com/?p=11172  They're out of San Diego and are connected to  http://www.chandlerswatch.com/  which has its own show that broadcasts several nights a week. It is broadcasted by two ex-Marines (probably bad protocol; once a Marine always a Marine). One of the hosts is from Girard so there is a local connection. They were interested in learning about a Conservative Democrat. They kind of thought it wasn't possible.

I told them that most of the Democrats I talk to in the Mahoning Valley express conservative beliefs, such as small government, less taxes, pro military and energy independance (drill here;drill now). It is the leadership of the Democrat Party that has left them. I explained that if elected, I plan on challenging them.

conservative Democrat-not possible....a republican in donkey clothing

Quote from: irishbobcat on July 21, 2009, 04:35:59 AM
conservative Democrat-not possible....a republican in donkey clothing

Dennis, I address this topic on my site: http://www.danmoadus.org/ Here is a copy of my position.

When people learn of my conservative views, they sometimes ask why I call myself a Democrat. Many times when that happens, I will ask them a few questions to see what they think a Democrat is.

Here are some of the questions I ask them:

    * Do you think Government has grown to be too big and too expensive?
    * Do you believe Americans should be allowed to own guns?
    * Do you think it is wrong for illegal aliens to have access to free education, health care, and Social Security?
    * Do you think we are taxed too much?
    * Do you think we should fully and responsibly use our Country's natural resources instead of depending on un-friendly countries for our energy needs? In other words, do you want to "Drill here and drill now"?

Most people answer "yes" to these questions. Unfortunately, the current leadership of the Democratic Party answers "NO". So, I ask, "Are you a Democrat?"

Of course the answer again is "Yes", because the Democratic Party is what we say it is. The Democratic Party in our District is a direct reflection of who we send to Washington to represent us.
If the 17th District sends me to Washington, it will be a signal to the leadership that we believe in American exceptionalism, We will tell them that America needs not apologize to any nation, because we have helped them all. We believe that the largest and most important minority, which has had its rights and freedoms trampled, is the individual. We believe it is our right to bear arms to protect ourselves from enemies without and, within. We believe that free enterprise built America into the world's biggest and most successful economy, and is what we should rely on to fix our current ailments. We will tell them that we believe freedom, not government, is what made America great.

Most people answering YES to those questions are Conservative Republicans,
which, you sir, are! Wanting to take us back to the Gilded Age....That's the fact, Jack!

Dan:

Dennis isn't even in your district so why argue with him? You have all you can do to convince the voters of the 17th without distractions.

Good point Towntalk. It's Tim Ryan supporters Dan has to convince.

Dennis couldn't even gin up support when he ran for Congress in his district.

He blames Wilson for his defeat not realizing that the vast majority of the voters simply didn't buy his message.

Moadus is no different from a southern democrat Mr. Global Warming!

Down in the deep south the Democrats outnumber the Republicans 2 to 1 in registration, but because they are conservative Democrats, the Republican candidate usually kicks ass in the Presidential Elections.

Moadus for Congress

Who said these things?


............. has the experience and knowledge in the areas of budget development and management, school/community relations, human resource development and evaluation, negotiations, construction, levy and bond issue passage.

We can not continue to ask local taxpayers to fund our schools if we can not show them we are doing everything in our power to cut excessive spending as well.

i am not convince that moadus or ryan has the substance to serve the public. i am not impressed what moadus has written on this board nor ryan's public service record as congressman from the 17th district.

Quote from: iwasthere on July 22, 2009, 01:34:40 PM
i am not convince that moadus or ryan has the substance to serve the public. i am not impressed what moadus has written on this board nor ryan's public service record as congressman from the 17th district.

Fair enough, but what exactly do you take issue with, and what exactly do you mean when you say I don't have the substance to serve the public?

you do not have the socialist views that i believe in helping society, esp. the downtrodden. you believe in letting the fittest of the fit to survive and the hell with everyone else in this country. i am liberal and i am proud of it. i know that i can go to bed every nite knowing that i try to help humanity and not hurt it. you do not believe in socialize med, global warming, you believe in this unconstitutional war in the middle east, and you do not believe in glbt rights or women/men reproductive rights that are not in the conservative manners.
i say best of luck in your political endeavor but you do not have my vote. enjoy your ride on the political circuit during your run for the 17th congressional district it is a learning experience but do have fun while you are on this political run for this office.

To be added today to: http://www.danmoadus.org/ . My stand on trade.

I am a free trader.  I have spent time studying the positions of both the proponents and opponents of the issue and found that the evidence that free trade benefits our Country wins the day.

Unfortunately, the issue has been used as a "whipping boy" by unprincipled politicians looking to divert blame for American job loss away from the failing policies they supported.

It is not a coincidence that the leaders of both parties have supported NAFTA (North America Free Trade Agreement), nor is it a conspiracy. It is just that, in the end, the argument for removing trade barriers wins out.

Simply put, the purpose of NAFTA, which has been largely achieved, is to remove all artificial, government imposed, barriers to trade. In other words, "You don't tax our goods coming into your country, and we won't tax your goods coming into our country". It really isn't anything more than that, and it greatly benefits consumers in all three countries (Canada, America, and Mexico).

It is crucial though, that we see that the trade is "fair", and that our companies have as free and unfettered access to markets in other countries as they do our's.

Commerce, both in America, and between our Country and its trading partners, is not a smooth flowing, orderly process. There are often winners and loser, and it lends itself well to people wanting to demagogue the issue for political gain. I could very easily point to industries that have failed and jobs that were loss because of free trade, and I could just as easily point to the successes. However, the successes far out number the failures.

There is boundless information on the topic available, if you want to further study the issue. Here is a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA%27s_impact_on_US_employment 

dan i wonder if you would have the same position if you were of the working class such as the steelworkers, autoworkers, and other manufacture jobs that left the state of Ohio to Mexico, and other Asian countries due to the nafta agreement.

Mr. Moadus, I was with you up until your this post.   History has shown that when this country has instituted tariffs that our homegrown industries and businesses flourish.  A big proponent of tariffs was William McKinley, a valley native who as president believed in protectionism for American business.  Protectionism simply means that our government places the wellbeing of American industries above industries in other countries. Our nation prospered when we simply had no choice but to manufacture all that we needed here.  But now that we can cheaply bring in what we need from parts of the world where the cost of production is lower, there is no sense in manufacturing here.

Now I do believe in fair trade, which in order to be fair would require tariffs on imported goods to equalize the cost of production in the US to the cost of production elsewhere in the world.  US businesses have a HUGE regulatory and labor burden to overcome, and a tariff would help overcome that burden.  Until the day arrives that the US regulatory system and labor standards are evenly spread out across the world, our nation will always be at a disadvantage when it comes to manufaturing.

What are glbt rights?

gay, lesbian, something, something

Oh ok, gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual.  Now I got it. 

Quote from: iwasthere on July 24, 2009, 11:41:51 AM
dan i wonder if you would have the same position if you were of the working class such as the steelworkers, autoworkers, and other manufacture jobs that left the state of Ohio to Mexico, and other Asian countries due to the nafta agreement.

I am of the working class. I worked in all those industries you wrote of.  Face it, any politician that tells you he will do something about NAFTA, is lying to you. They all support it.

So Dan, your lying to us too......?????????????????????

No Dennis , Mr Moadus said he supports Nafta, if I remember correctly. he was rather open about it.

I OPPOSE NAFTA......

Free trade has always been good. Whether its between partners across town, across state lines, or across international borders. When trading is done honestly, and without artificial barriers, both partners benefit, or the trade wouldn't occur. Who loses? Companies who previously enjoyed selling products for higher prices because of government protection from world wide competition. Who wins? Consumers, and companies that previously were shut out of markets out side our country, because of foreign government imposed tariffs designed to protect their companies.

When you come right down to it, there are only three choices available when it comes to trading. The first would be to bar entry into the United States of all products from other countries and just allow Americans to buy from American companies. There are those who support that, though it exists no where in the world but some third world countries.

The second option would be to allow trade outside our borders, but let our government decide which American companies to protect, by placing high enough tariffs on certain products to prevent Americans from buying the imported goods. The problem with this of course is it raises prices for American consumers and forces companies to purchase protection by contributing and supporting  politicians who will decide which company is deserving of protection. Usually of course, its the companies that donate the most to the politician's re-election efforts. It also bears an uncanny similarity to the old Mafia protection racket. It is also bad because other countries would follow suit, essentially banning American products by placing high enough tariffs to force their citizens to by only from their domestic producers.  I'm sure you heard of cases where Japan levied thousands of dollars of tariffs on our cars while we only added hundreds in tariffs to their cars. That's unfair trade.

The third and best option, I think, is to make an agreement that each trading partner will not place any tariffs or artificial barriers on each others products. Kind of let the chips fall where they may type of deal. I'm sure you can see that with this third option consumers benefit because of lower prices and greater choices. Of course there are companies that can no longer can compete that will go out of business, but happens all the time within countries, as can be seen when a Walmart store moves in. Of course there are people who would ban Walmart stores as well.

Oh, and by the way, that third option I described is NAFTA.

So, to those who disagree, how about describe a fourth option, or tell me why you think we would be better off with the first or second option I described?

Perhaps consumers benefit, but those benefits must be weighed against the job losses created by free trade.

As I stated in a previous post, free trade is an unfair deal for the US due to our regulatory and labor structure.  So why not change your position to one that favors FAIR trade, since free trade doesn't work for the more highly developed nations.

Start paying attention to posts from the "Left", and you will start to see references to "Appolo". Our friend Dennis has referenced it in a post. This alliance will give us a glimpse at the heart of the "Statist" beast. It represents the achievement of "Critical Mass" in the world of radical leftist politics, and is the combining of most of the socialist, communist, anti-capitalist and America hating groups and organizations in our country. They sense opportunity in the election of Barack Obama and are starting to panic as they see it slipping away as America awakens to who these people are. Watch as they make a last chance push, to enact as much of their agenda before they have to beat a hasty retreat.

Dan, what a sad, strange, little man you are.

Dennis, so tell us about the Apollo Alliance. Which organizations are in it, who heads them up, and a little of their backgrounds, and purpose?

While we wait for Dennis to fill us in, i'll provide a little background. One of the founders of the Apollo Alliance is Van Jones. Jones is a Yale Law School graduate who was recently appointed to be the "Green Jobs" czar by Obama. Jones was a black nationalist, a radical community activist, and a self described Communist. He was arrested in the Rodney King riots and became a communist in jail. Here is a couple of his quotes:

   "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th [1992], and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist. (...)"

    "I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary."

More on this group, and these people later..........Dan Moadus

Our Mission
The Apollo Alliance is a coalition of labor, business, environmental, and community leaders working to catalyze a clean energy revolution that will put millions of Americans to work in a new generation of high-quality, green-collar jobs. Inspired by the Apollo space program, we promote investments in energy efficiency, clean power, mass transit, next-generation vehicles, and emerging technology, as well as in education and training. Working together, we will reduce carbon emissions and oil imports, spur domestic job growth, and position America to thrive in the 21st century economy.

Background
Apollo was launched in the aftermath of the 9/11 tragedy to catalyze a clean energy revolution in America, a revolution in the way our country generates and uses energy so profound that it will touch literally every quarter of American life. Harkening back to President Kennedy's visionary call to restore America's technological leadership by landing the first man on the Moon within the decade, the Apollo Alliance spoke directly to the core values we share as Americans: our can-do spirit, our inherent optimism, and the pride we feel (or want to feel) about our country's place in the world. The subtext was clear: we did it before, we can do it again. This is America, the richest, most technologically advanced and industrious country in the world. If anyone can do it, we can. And we will.

Not surprisingly, the Apollo message captured the imagination of people throughout the country. Soon our phone lines were buzzing with calls from political leaders of all stripes wanting to find out what they could do in their states, in their cities, and at the national level to advance Apollo's clean energy agenda. Apollo responded to the increasing demand for our work by establishing Apollo coalitions in nine states and five cities to promote policy change consistent with our Ten-Point Plan for reducing America's dependence on foreign oil. We released highly regarded energy analyses that confirmed the economic benefits of converting to a clean energy economy and published guides outlining specific strategies for investing in clean energy, greater energy efficiency, and innovative transit and transportation solutions.

Apollo's unique role in the climate debate is our ability to mobilize a coalition unprecedented in its strength and diversity by speaking directly to the economic benefits of moving toward a clean energy economy. In 2008, as the economy and energy rose to top Americans' concerns, we released The New Apollo Program, an update of our original Ten-Point Plan developed for the 2004 elections. The plan identifies priorities for federal action and investment, including a "cap and invest" program to reduce carbon emissions; investments in energy efficiency, renewable energy, and mass transit; a plan to revitalize the manufacturing sector; and specific strategies to expand opportunities for American workers in the clean energy economy.

The New Apollo Program outlines a comprehensive economic investment strategy to build America's 21st century clean energy economy. Released at a critical juncture in our nation's economic future – as Congress and the administration called for a $700 billion rescue package to shore up our unstable financial infrastructure – the Apollo program would generate and invest $500 billion over the next ten years to accelerate the development of our vast clean energy resources, dramatically reduce carbon emissions that are destabilizing our planet, and transform America into the global leader of the new green economy.

In addition to releasing The New Apollo Program, our key accomplishments in 2008 included:

Publishing The Apollo Economic Recovery Act, Apollo's proposal for a comprehensive quick start, clean energy economic recovery strategy to immediately create or retain 650,000 direct green-collar jobs and an additional 1.3 million indirect jobs in communities across the country.

Gaining inclusion of $25 billion in the 2008 federal economic rescue package for low-interest loans to auto manufacturers who retool their factories to make cleaner vehicles. Apollo worked with Michigan Senator Debbie Stabenow to secure the loan provisions and funding.

Securing funding to launch Apollo organizing campaigns in Missouri and North Dakota to build broad state, local and federal support for clean energy, good jobs initiatives.

Convening a roundtable of policymakers and national business, labor, and environmental leaders to develop recommendations supporting the domestic manufacture of renewable energy systems and components – our "Made in America" manufacturing agenda from The New Apollo Program. We are working with several Midwest senators to incorporate these recommendations into recovery and stimulus packages, and in a broader energy bill expected to be introduced next year.

Organizing Newark's Green Future Summit in partnership with Newark, NJ Mayor Cory Booker and other national and local partners. The September 2008 summit and the year of planning leading up to it were the products of a commitment we made together at the Clinton Global Initiative last fall to help establish Newark as a national model for clean and efficient energy use, green-collar job creation, and green economic development.

Writing and publishing Imagining Newark's Green Future, a report documenting our year working in Newark. The report reviews our Newark project in depth and presents it as a model for how other cities and communities can organize green-collar job programs.

Writing and co-publishing Green-Collar Jobs in America's Cities, a guide for urban leaders about ways to expand local green-collar jobs. The guide explains how to link job creation and economic development strategies to methods of reducing CO2 emissions and meeting other energy goals. At the same time, we co-wrote (with the Center on Wisconsin Strategy and the Workforce Alliance) a state version of the report, Greener Pathways.

Co-convening, with Green For All, a roundtable for local green-collar job practitioners (within the Apollo network and beyond) to discuss best practices and identify shared priorities. Like our reports and the summit, the roundtable is a tool for moving the idea of green-collar jobs from a theory to a reality across the country.

2009 Program Priorities
Apollo's 2009 program priorities are to:

Promote federal policies, within the framework of The New Apollo Program, to spur national economic recovery through strategic investment in America's clean energy economy.

Strengthen and build state and local Apollo coalitions to promote policies, implement programs to speed investment in clean energy and energy efficiency, and put people to work in well-paid, green-collar jobs.

Organization
In late 2007 Apollo spun off from its founding organizations, Campaign for America's Future and Center for Wisconsin Strategy, formed its own Board of Directors, and expanded its staff and program to better meet the critical challenge of promoting clean energy and good jobs. The Apollo Alliance is a project of the Tides Center, a 501 (c)(3) nonprofit organization.


Phil Angelides Joins Apollo As Board Chairman, Other Prominent Americans Also Join Apollo Board

Former California Treasurer Phil Angelides recently took the helm as Chairman of the Apollo Alliance Board of Directors. Commenting on his new role at the Apollo Alliance, Angelides said, "I believe deeply that we can curb global warming and create a new wave of economic opportunity for our people. We can spark a clean energy revolution that will reduce our dependence on oil and create millions of good jobs for American families." Angelides recently addressed mayors from across America at the Sundance Summit.

As California's Treasurer, Phil launched the ground breaking Green Wave initiative under which California's two largest public pension funds, CalPERS and CalSTRS, committed to invest $1.5 billion in clean energy and cutting edge technologies, as well as in environmentally responsible companies. Prior to joining the Board, Phil served on Apollo's National Advisory Committee for a number of years.

A number of other prominent Americans are also lending their energies to Apollo as new members of our incoming Board. They include: former Chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality Kathleen McGinty (also former head of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection); Sierra Club Executive Director Carl Pope; Silicon Valley pioneer Regis McKenna; United Steelworkers International President Leo Gerard; and Natural Resources Defense Council President Frances Beinecke.

Quote from: Rick Rowlands on July 26, 2009, 03:47:14 PM
Perhaps consumers benefit, but those benefits must be weighed against the job losses created by free trade.

As I stated in a previous post, free trade is an unfair deal for the US due to our regulatory and labor structure.  So why not change your position to one that favors FAIR trade, since free trade doesn't work for the more highly developed nations.

I agree. Free trade leads to domestic job losses which equals LESS CONSUMERS which leads to more job losses...etc.

Just remember folks. The founder--a self proclaimed communist.

God help the 17th District if Dan Moadus gets elected.....you are out far far far right field......

Apollo Board of Directors

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Chairman

Phil Angelides, Chairman, Canyon Johnson Urban Communities Fund

Members

Frances Beinecke, President, Natural Resources Defense Council

Robert Borosage, President, Institute for America's Future

Leo Gerard, International President, United Steelworkers Union

Gerald Hudson, International Executive Vice President, Service Employees International Union

Mindy Lubber, President, CERES

Nancy McFadden, Senior Vice President of Public Affairs for PG&E Corporation

Kathleen McGinty, former Secretary, Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection

Terence M. O'Sullivan, General President, Laborers' International Union of North America

Ellen Pao, Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers

Michael Peck, Principal, MAPA Incorporated

John Podesta, President and CEO of the Center for American Progress

Carl Pope, Executive Director, Sierra Club

Dan W. Reicher, Director of Climate Change and Energy Initiatives, Google

Joel Rogers, Director, Center on Wisconsin Strategy


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Phil Angelides has made his mark in California and the nation as an effective public leader, as a successful businessman, and as a trailblazing environmental innovator. Mr. Angelides is Chairman of the Canyon Johnson Urban Communities Fund, a partnership of Canyon Capital Realty Advisors and Earvin "Magic" Johnson, focused on investing in, improving, and greening residential rental and mixed use properties in urban communities across America. He was the California State Treasurer from 1999-2007 and the Democratic nominee for Governor of California in 2006. For over two decades, Mr. Angelides has been a leader in the movement for sustainable economic progress. In the 1980's, he pioneered the planning and building of smart growth communities long before the concepts of sustainability were embraced by the marketplace. Among his ventures was the town of Laguna West which was featured in Time, Newsweek, the New York Times, U.S. News and World Report, and ABC-TV's "Good Morning America," and sparked a national dialogue around building more livable, environmentally responsible communities. During his eight years in elected office, Mr. Angelides transformed the State Treasurer's Office into a force for progress, launching ground breaking policy initiatives. He directed $26 billion in state investments to promote smart growth and create jobs, housing, and opportunities in inner cities, catalyzing a wave of reinvestment in America's urban centers. He put the weight of California's $400 billion pension funds behind investment in clean energy and the fight against global warming – seeding the "green tech" investment revolution. And, he mobilized investors across the nation to usher in a new era of corporate social and environmental responsibility. He has received numerous awards for his work, including the National Inner City Leadership Award from the Initiative for Competitive Inner City; the California League of Conservation Voters' Environmental Leadership Award; and the Congress for the New Urbanism's Lifetime Achievement Award.



Frances Beinecke is President of Natural Resources Defense Council. Frances has worked with NRDC for more than 30 years. Prior to becoming the president in 2006, she served as the organization's executive director for eight years. Under Frances's leadership, the organization has launched a new strategic campaign that sharply focuses NRDC's efforts on curbing global warming, moving America beyond oil, reviving the world's oceans, saving endangered wild places, stemming the tide of toxic chemicals and accelerating the greening of China. In addition to her work at NRDC, Frances has played a leadership role in several other environmental organizations. She currently serves on the boards of the World Resources Institute, the Energy Future Coalition and Conservation International's Center for Environmental Leadership in Business. She has been a member of the boards of the Wilderness Society, the China-U.S. Center for Sustainable Development and the New York League of Conservation Voters. Frances has received the Rachel Carson Award from the National Audubon Society, the Distinguished Alumni Award from Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies, the Annual Conservation Award from the Adirondack Council and the Robert Marshall Award from the Wilderness Society.



Robert L. Borosage is the President of the Institute for America's Future. He writes widely on political, economic, and national security issues for publications including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, and The Nation. He was the founder and Director of the Campaign for New Priorities, involving over 100 organizations in the call to reinvest in America in the post-Cold War era. He has served as an issues advisor to progressive political campaigns, including those of Senators Carol Moseley-Braun, Barbara Boxer, and Paul Wellstone. In 1988, he was Senior Issues Advisor to the presidential campaign of Reverend Jesse L. Jackson.



Leo W. Gerard is President of the United Steelworkers of America (USWA). The son of a union miner who started working at INCO's nickel smelter in Sudbury, Ontario at age 18, and inspired by a lifelong commitment to economic and social justice, Leo W. Gerard rose through the ranks of the United Steelworkers of America (USWA) to be appointed the Union's seventh international president on February 28, 2001. Under Gerard, the USWA has heightened its focus on reversing the alarming decline of U.S. manufacturing and the negative impact of it on America's growing health care crisis. He has worked with equal fervor in developing strategies to inject the rights of workers into trade agreements, investment priorities and corporate governance. Gerard is the driving force behind the Heartland Labor Capital Funds; a network that is creating conceptual, financial and educational tools for capital strategies that will inject the welfare of workers into investment priorities.



Gerald Hudson has served as Executive Vice President of SEIU since June 2004. He leads the work of the union's Long Term Care Division, which represents nearly 500,000 nursing home and home care workers nationwide. Hudson's outstanding commitment to labor spans decades. Hudson came to SEIU in 1978 from the Hebrew Home for the Aged in Riverdale, N.Y., where he was a member of SEIU Local 144. Elected as executive vice president for the former-District 1199 in 1989, Hudson spent more than a dozen years supervising 1199 New York's political action, education, publications, and cultural affairs departments. During his tenure with 1199NY, Hudson coordinated the merger of the 30,000-member Local 144 into SEIU/1199. He also founded the 1199 School for Social Change - a former alternative school in the Bronx - and served as a trustee of the Local 1199 Training and Upgrading Fund, Home Care Workers Benefit Fund, and Michelson Education Fund. As a long-time champion of environmental justice, Mr. Hudson has served on the board for Redefining Progress, the nation's leading public policy think tank dedicated to developing innovative public policies that balance economic well-being, environmental preservation and social justice. He participated in the first-ever U.S. labor delegation to the United Nations' climate change meeting in Bali in 2007.


Mindy Lubber is President of Ceres, the leading U.S. coalition of investors and environmental leaders working to improve corporate environmental, social and governance practices. She also directs the Investor Network on Climate Risk (INCR), an alliance that coordinates U.S. investor responses to the financial risks and opportunities posed by climate change. Ms. Lubber has held leadership positions in government as the Regional Administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency; in the financial services sector as Founder, President and CEO of Green Century Capital Management, an investment firm managing environmentally screened mutual funds; in the private sector as the President of an environmental law and policy consulting group; and in the not-for-profit sector for more than a decade leading environmental and public interest law organizations, including the National Environmental Law Center, which she founded. She was the Senior Advisor and Communications Director to former Governor Michael Dukakis, and for a decade, held leadership positions with the Massachusetts Public Interest Research Group (MASSPIRG), including Chairwoman of the Board of Directors.



Nancy McFadden is Senior Vice President of Public Affairs for PG&E Corporation. She is responsible for managing the company's federal, state and local government relations and philanthropic and community initiatives, while helping guide its efforts to be a national environmental leader. Before joining PG&E, Ms. McFadden spent nearly two decades as a key legal, policy and political strategist in Washington, DC and Sacramento, most recently as senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to Governor Gray Davis. Prior to working in Sacramento, Ms. McFadden served for eight years in the Clinton Administration as deputy chief of staff to Vice President Al Gore and general counsel for the U.S. Department of Transportation. The Washington Post named her one of the "go-to people" in the Clinton Administration for her significant record of accomplishment. Ms. McFadden started her career practicing law with the firm of O'Melveny and Myers, during which time, she was named "One of the 40 Best Lawyers Under 40" by Washingtonian magazine. In addition to serving as an executive with PG&E, Ms. McFadden has been appointed by the California State Senate and two governors to serve on the California Medical Assistance Commission, the agency that negotiates MediCal contracts with hospitals and health plans. Ms. McFadden is a Bay Area native, and has a J.D. from the University of Virginia and a bachelor's degree from San Jose State University. She is a member of the Board of Trustees for the California Museum for History, Women and the Arts and the Women's Foundation of California.



Kathleen A. McGinty became the first woman to head the state Department of Environmental Protection, a 3,000-employee agency, in 2003. Her emphasis was in creating approaches to environmental problems that generate economic growth and encourage advanced technology development in Pennsylvania. McGinty has also worked extensively on national public policy, acting as Deputy Assistant to President Bill Clinton and chairing the White House Council on Environmental Quality. She also created and headed the first-ever White House Office on Environmental Policy.



Terence M. O'Sullivan has been General President of LIUNA – the Laborers' International Union of North America – since January 1, 2000. He is known as an innovator among the newest generation of labor leaders dedicated to aggressive and sometimes radical approaches designed to increase the power of working people in the 21st Century. O'Sullivan has guided the more than 500,000 collective bargaining members of LIUNA to the forefront of the labor movement, reshaping the Union into one of the fastest-growing, most aggressive and progressive unions in North America. Despite the decline in overall union membership in the U.S., LIUNA has shown steady and consistent growth. He is also a member of the Governing Board of Presidents of the Building and Construction Trades Department of the AFL-CIO and a member of the Leadership Council of the Change to Win labor union federation. O'Sullivan is a current member of the Board of Directors of Ullico Inc., and past Chairman and CEO of the insurance and financial services provider. He also serves on the Board of Directors of America's Agenda: Health Care for All, and is a member of the Management Committee of Americans for Transportation Mobility. Before becoming LIUNA General President, O'Sullivan served the union as a Vice President, Mid-Atlantic Regional Manager, and Assistant to the General President. He has also served as Administrator of the West Virginia Laborers' Training Center. A proud native of San Francisco, he joined LIUNA in 1974 and is a long-time member of Local Union 1353, Charleston, West Virginia.



Ellen Pao joined Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers in 2005. Prior to KPCB, Ellen held various operating roles at BEA, including head of business development for products, site manager for new mobile products, and lead for new engineering efforts in India. She also served in corporate development, leading strategic projects for the CEO and M&A transactions. Prior to BEA, Ellen focused on business development and closed technology licensing deals for Tellme Networks and Microsoft's WebTV division. She also served as a consultant at MyCFO and at Danger Research, where she headed the Sidekick's first marketing requirements efforts. Before entering the tech field, Ellen was a corporate attorney for Cravath, Swaine & Moore in both its New York City and Hong Kong offices, working on deals across the Philippines, Singapore and Greater China. She provided guidance on high-yield debt offerings, M&A transactions, aircraft financings, and pro bono projects for Habitat for Humanity and Covenant House. Ellen holds a BS in Electrical Engineering and a certificate from the Wilson School of Public and International Affairs from Princeton University, a JD from Harvard Law School and an MBA from Harvard Business School.



Michael Peck is principal and founder of MAPA Incorporated (founded in 1994), a strategic and creative business development consulting practice operating with offices in Washington DC, Northern Virginia, Atlanta, Georgia, and Madrid and Barcelona, Spain, focusing on premium U.S. – Spain commercial relationships. In Spain, MAPA's clients have included over the past fifteen years: Repsol, Gas Natural, La Caixa, MCC, Gamesa, Banco Santander, Telefonica I+D, Amena, Gaiker, Fatronik, Iberdrola Diversification, Iberdrola Energias Renovables, Abertis, Instituto de Empresa, La Fundación Barcelona Digital, Grupo Berge. Compass, and Isofoton, and other leading Spanish multinationals with a distinct specialty in the Pais Vasco, Madrid, and Catalunya regions. MAPA currently represents Spain's leading multinationals in the wind energy, solar energy, infrastructure, industrial manufacturing, and research sectors. Within MAPA, Mr. Peck has outlined a recognized triangular business development approach to the "Iberoamerican Marketplace", involving best practices cross-border transactions between the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal), Latin America, and the United States. Mr. Peck has also helped to found Hemisphere Trade Services in 2006, which, together with MAPA Inc., Isofoton USA, Compass USA and MCC USA, form the MAPA Group. On occasion, Mr. Peck will serve in high level corporate roles for MAPA Group's client base in a U.S. context. As an example, Mr. Peck serves currently as the Director of Media, Institutional and Labor Relations for North America on behalf of the leading Spanish wind turbine manufacturer, Gamesa USA. Mr. Peck is also a leader in the national green jobs movement.



John Podesta is the president and CEO of the Center for American Progress. Under his leadership, the Center has become a notable leader in the development and advocacy for progressive policy. Prior to founding the Center in 2003, Mr. Podesta served as White House Chief of Staff to President William J. Clinton. He served in the president's cabinet and as a principal on the National Security Council. While in the White House, he also served as both an assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff, as well as staff secretary and a senior policy advisor on government information, privacy, telecommunications security, and regulatory policy. Most recently, Mr. Podesta served as co-chair of President Obama's transition, where he coordinated the priorities of the incoming administration's agenda, oversaw the development of its policies, and spearheaded its appointments of major cabinet secretaries and political appointees. Additionally, Mr. Podesta has held numerous positions on Capitol Hill, including counselor to Democratic Leader Senator Thomas A. Daschle (1995-1996); chief counsel for the Senate Agriculture Committee (1987-1988); and chief minority counsel for the Senate Judiciary Subcommittees on Patents, Copyrights and Trademarks; Security and Terrorism; and Regulatory Reform (1981-1987). A Chicago native, Mr. Podesta is a graduate of Knox College and the Georgetown University Law Center, where he is currently a visiting professor of law. He also authored The Power of Progress: How America's Progressives Can (Once Again) Save Our Economy, Our Climate and Our Country.



Carl Pope was appointed Executive Director of the Sierra Club in 1992. A veteran leader in the environmental movement, Mr. Pope has been with the Sierra Club for nearly thirty years. During Mr. Pope's tenure as Executive Director, Sierra Club added 150,000 new members, growing to 700,000 of your friends and neighbors. In addition to his work with the Sierra Club, Mr. Pope has had a distinguished record of environmental activism and leadership. He has served on the Boards of the California League of Conservation Voters, Public Voice, National Clean Air Coalition, California Common Cause, Public Interest Economics, Inc., and Zero Population Growth. Mr. Pope was also Executive Director of the California League of Conservation Voters and the Political Director of Zero Population Growth.



Dan W. Reicher has over 20 years of experience in business, government and non-governmental organizations focused on energy and environmental technology, policy, finance and law. He recently joined Google where he serves as Director of Climate Change and Energy Initiatives for the company's venture called Google.org which has been capitalized with $2 billion of Google stock to make investments and advance policy in the areas of climate change and energy, global development, and global health. Prior to his recent position at Google, Mr. Reicher served as President and Co-Founder of New Energy Capital Corp., a New England-based company that develops, invests in, owns and operates renewable energy and distributed generation projects. From 1997-2001, Mr. Reicher was Assistant Secretary of Energy for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy at the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE). As Assistant Secretary, he directed annually more than $1 billion in investments in energy research, development and deployment related to renewable energy, distributed generation and energy efficiency. Prior to that position, Mr. Reicher was DOE Chief of Staff (1996-97), Assistant Secretary of Energy for Policy (Acting) (1995-1996), and Deputy Chief of Staff and Counselor to the Secretary (1993-1995). Mr. Reicher is also a member of General Electric's Ecomagination Advisory Board, co-chairman of the advisory board of the American Council on Renewable Energy, and a member of the board of the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy. Recently, Mr. Reicher was also a member of the National Academy of Sciences Committee on Alternatives to Indian Point for Meeting Energy Needs. He also served as an adjunct professor at the Yale University School of Forestry and Environmental Studies and Vermont Law School.



Joel Rogers co-founded the Apollo Alliance and served as its first chairman. He is professor of law, political science, and sociology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and a longtime government and campaign adviser and democratic activist. In his academic work, Joel has written widely on democratic theory, American politics, and public policy, including such books as On Democracy, Right Turn, The Forgotten Majority, and What Workers Want. He is currently working on problems in energy efficiency, government performance, and egalitarianism capitalism. Joel is also director of the UW-Madison-based John R. Commons Center, the corporate umbrella of the Center on Wisconsin Strategy, the Mayors Innovation Project, and the Center for State Innovation. The first is an applied research center and field laboratory for high road ("triple bottom line") competitiveness and government. The second and third promote high road policy innovation among mayors and elected state executives (governors and others). A contributing editor of The Nation and Boston Review, Joel has received many academic honors and a MacArthur Foundation "genius" fellowship. Newsweek identified him as among the 100 Americans most likely to shape U.S. politics and culture in the 21st century.

How many Commies can you pick out in the Ohio group, Dan??????


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Ohio Apollo Alliance

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MISSION Top

Policy Matters Ohio is the Ohio partner for the Apollo Alliance, a coalition of environmentalists, businesses, unions and community groups pushing a clean energy revolution in America. Apollo reforms will reduce dependence on foreign oil; cut carbon emissions; help America lead in clean energy innovation and development; and create a new generation of well-paid, green-collar jobs for people across America.

Ohio's world-class manufacturing infrastructure and workforce poises Ohio to become a leader in providing parts for renewable energy equipment, training workers for green-collar jobs, promoting conservation and innovation, and using renewable energy.

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Create jobs that pay a living wage and provide benefits through manufacturing of component parts for renewable energy and energy efficiency equipment;

Train Ohio workers in advanced energy skills, from installation to engineering, and create green career pathways out of poverty for people with barriers to employment;

Require energy efficiency in resource planning and use, particularly in land use and public buildings; and

Capitalize on opportunity by building on Ohio's existing strengths to seize competitive advantage in all areas of advanced energy.

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In October 2008, Governor Strickland threw his support behind The New Apollo Program.
Ohio's new renewable energy standard was signed in April of 2008 and requires 12.5% of Ohio's energy to come from renewable energy resources by 2025. The new energy efficiency standard in Ohio is one of the strongest in the nation, requiring Ohio utility companies to ramp up savings to 2% per year by 2019 and each year thereafter. Policy Matters research shows that Ohio's new renewable energy standard will create a market for sustainable energy in which Ohio has a key manufacturing role. And if Ohio electric utility companies should fail to comply with this standard, they will be required to make alternative compliance payments into Ohio's advanced energy fund to invest in re-energizing Ohio. The Ohio Apollo Alliance testified at the legislature in support of the renewable portfolio standards and energy efficiency standards.  Governor Strickland referenced Apollo and its research when he unveiled his proposal. In
In October 2007, we co-hosted the first-of-its-kind Midwest Conference on Labor in the New Energy Economy, featuring local and national leaders. Read and hear some of the highlights here.
In the same month, we published a report titled Investing to Re-energize Ohio, describing why Ohio's advanced energy fund should be strengthened and made stronger.
We've studied how the use of renewable energy nationwide could stimulate investment and job growth in Ohio. For more, read our Generating Energy, Generating Jobs report.
Our releases have generated media coverage on the green economy, and we testified to the Ohio legislature in support of good green energy policies.
Governor Strickland also worked with the Ohio Legislature to pass a bipartisan jobs bill that will, among other things, invest $150 million into Ohio's advanced energy supply chain and $250 million into workforce development to help create green jobs in Ohio. However, we need to work to ensure these public sector investments are made in a way that is both transparent and accountable, and bring the best value to the community and Ohio's workforce.
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Ohio Apollo Alliance will continue to encourage policymakers to:

Focus on green-collar jobs as a central strategy for advancing environmental, economic, and climate protection goals. Green-collar jobs consist of work within growing industries that are helping us to declare our energy independence, curb greenhouse-gas emissions, eliminate toxins, and protect natural systems. These jobs pay family-supporting wages and provide opportunities for training and career advancement. Green-collar jobs already exist in many sectors and industries, and build on the capacities of existing businesses and workers in Ohio—from manufacturing to construction and high-skill service jobs. From installing solar panels to planting trees, many green-collar jobs are difficult or impossible to outsource.

Increase demand for green-collar jobs with policies, investment, and incentives that expand the market for green products and services. Use green redevelopment strategies to create jobs that strengthen both our economy and environment.

Emphasize community-based investments that cannot be outsourced and contribute directly to preserving or enhancing environmental standards.

Create a Green-collar Jobs Taskforce. A successful green-collar jobs initiative requires the expertise, political capital, and resources of a wide variety of partners. Identify key leaders and consult, develop, reinvigorate or realign partnerships with potential leaders and organizations such as: community organizations, unions, businesses, workforce development programs, schools, and advocates.

Use Green-collar Job Creation as an opportunity to provide pathways out of poverty and strengthen the middle class. While some green jobs require advanced technical skills, most are middle-skill jobs requiring more education than high school, but less than a four-year degree. New opportunities and access to good jobs enable low-income people to take the first step toward economic self-sufficiency. These jobs are well within reach of many workers as long as they are accompanied by effective training and support programs.

Support policies that drive public and private investment in an inclusive green economy. Invest government resources in programs and initiatives that build an inclusive green economy, while leveraging and aligning existing public resources, and private sources of capital and finance, toward these same goals.

Prepare a green-collar workforce by building on existing training and apprenticeship programs that provide job seekers with "pathways out of poverty" and family-supporting, career-track jobs. Equip workers for high-demand jobs in the green economy by fostering partnerships with community groups, nonprofit organizations, climate change experts, businesses, unions and schools.

Issues we're working on include: pushing a stronger energy loan fund, residential grants for efficiency, transit, identifying component manufacturing opportunities for the renewable supply chain that including Green Training.

To promote these ideas, we've partnered with the Ohio Blue-Green Alliance and the Ohio Wind Working Group. Find some of our other partners here.

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Ned Ford, Sierra Club of Ohio
Lloyd MahHaffey, UAW Region 2B
Susan Helper, PhD, Case Western Reserve University
David Rinebolt, Ohio Partners for Affordable Energy
Kelly Kupcak, Hard Hatted Women

The George Gund Foundation provides generous support to this project.


Ted Strickland????????????

Holteck in Campbell just had to add a third shift to one press. The one that makes parts for Nuclear reactors. None of which are sold here in the USA. Now isn't that Bitter Sweet.

Holteck is formerly CALEX on Wilson Ave.

Dennis, in your post, is this paragraph:

"Policy Matters research shows that Ohio's new renewable energy standard will create a market for sustainable energy in which Ohio has a key manufacturing role. And if Ohio electric utility companies should fail to comply with this standard, they will be required to make alternative compliance payments into Ohio's advanced energy fund to invest in re-energizing Ohio. "

Please answer a question on the sentence that says, "And if Ohio electric utility companies should fail to comply with this standard, (the standard being producing 12.5 of their energy from renewable sources) they will be required to make alternative compliance payments into Ohio's advanced energy fund to invest in re-energizing Ohio."

What if the technology doesn't exist that will allow this, or it is too expensive to afford. The Electric producer has to pay penalties? And just where are they going to get the money to pay these penalties

And what about the first sentence where it says, "Ohio's new renewable energy standard will create a market for sustainable energy in which Ohio has a key manufacturing role."

Please explain how an "energy standard" creates a market? Just what does this mean.

Dan,

when you find all the commies in Ohio and the Apollo Alliance, this right -wing witch hunt that you are on, I will answer your question......

Or do you need to go to Salem, MA to start digging up witches names?


Quit changing the subject.....or can't you find the commies like Joe McCarthey?

I notice Dennis has his own issues instead of answering any questions. One person was mentioned as a Communist. The founder of a group and Dennis now wants us to pick out any more. Instead of admitting that one. (a rather high profile person as the founder) But regardless No answers to all the other questions.

How can I answer right wing lies about health care?

I believe that Mr Moadus asked you a question about the green party standings on an issue and just what was meant by them. Has nothing to do with the GOP, or your own delusions about the Right. But that's OK, we understand. You think slamming the right is the answer to everything.

I can't help it if Mr. Moadus can not understand simple sentences regarding electric companies and manufacturing.

If he can not understand the statements, maybe he shouldn't be running for Congress.....but then again, when do conservatives understand anything?

Another non-answer? You are getting so good at attempting to avoid telling us that you haven't a clue until someone gives you your talking points. Maybe you should ask them to explain them to you.

If Mr. Moadus is not smart enough to answer the questions or does no  research  on the questions, then he shouldn't be running for Congress.... Isn't that your complaint about our current congressman from the 17th district?

And why don't Mr. Moadus run as a Republican.....his feelings and ideas are just as right wing as Dr. Allen......Vet Doctor..........

Here is my position on the "retirees" issues

Because of the impact on the lives of the current retirees, and future ones as well, the pension obligation should be a top priority for the Bankruptcy court and the Government overseeing the process.

Granted, all obligations of the company need to be addressed, but none affects people more than the pension issue. What also is being overlooked, is that the pension obligation defaults of these companies, damages the trust necessary between workers and those who employ them nationwide, and will have a negative effect upon the high productivity that keeps America's economy the envy of the world.

When creditors loan money to a Corporation or company, they have the opportunity and the tools to assess the soundness of their investment, and the degree of risk that they are assuming. But, employees typically don't have that ability. For the most part, they accept the promise of a pension in lieu of greater compensation, which they themselves could have invested, without question. They invest their trust in the company they work for, and demonstrate that trust by the plans that they make for how they are going to live when they retire. Unlike lenders, they can not spread the risk around, they, in a very real sense have "put all their eggs in one basket". This is why their claims deserve special consideration.

First, the government should find out just what happened to the money that was supposed to be set aside to honor these pensions. Were more than just promises broken? Were laws dealing with pension funding broken? And if so, are those responsible going to be held accountable?

If these bankrupt companies are going to be dissolved, the pensioners must be put at the top of the list when the assets are sold off; because I believe their "investment" was greater than any one lender. And if the company is restructured, its first obligation should be too adequately and securely fund the promised pensions out of any profits from both the company's domestic and over seas holdings.

There is something sick about the government paying over $4,000 for a car then putting sand in the crankcase, and running the engine until it blows up. Especially when people are suffering due to the economy. I'm sure there are people right now who are trying to nurse along cars much older than the ones being destroyed who would really appreciate these cars. Affordable transportation for low income people going up in smoke. "http://www.youtube.com/v/Go29hpq2XuY&hl=en&fs=1&"

It is hard to express the relief I feel as I see the resistance build to the left's attempt to remake America. I remember just eight months ago having an almost overwhelming feeling of helplessness as I watched Obama take power. I felt betrayed. "How could Americans have done this?" "How could they have not seen the danger?" I tried to tell myself that the voting public just wasn't paying close enough attention. I couldn't bring myself to believe that they had changed their values, but I was worried.

Then I began to see that many people shared my concerns. I started to read more and more about people who were pushing back. I began to hear talk about "Tea Parties". In February I found out that one was being planned for the end of the month in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. I participated along with my wife Carole, my son Wyatt, and my sister-in-law Trish. Now please understand, this wasn't a political awakening for me; I have been a patriot and a conservative for over forty years, and I have been an activist and local politician for about twenty years. But I have to say, nothing gave me more satisfaction then standing on the Square in downtown Cleveland that day.

What I remember most about that experience is that I didn't know the name of a single person on the Square that day, other than my family, and I don't think I said more than a few words to anyone, and neither did I see anyone else talking much. We read each other's homemade signs, nodded and smiled at one another and drew strength and encouragement from the knowledge that we were amongst fellow patriots.

Our small group (about 100 people) varied considerably. Ages ranged from teenagers to the elderly. There were two people wearing suits and top coats, and there was a man and his wife both wearing brown Carhart overalls and coats and looked as though they skipped the morning milking to attend.

It was the day that I first felt our power, and I could see that others felt it too. This group of people was not your typical group of protesters; we weren't there for the fun or excitement, we were serious. We exercised our first amendment right almost as if it was a sacrament. I knew, as we left for home that day, that everyone there came away with the feeling that we would not be stopped. We were the vanguard. We represented the drawing back of the sea in preparation for the coming tsunami of resistance. It was a good start.

Today, I feel more encouraged than ever. Tea Parties are growing in size and frequency and are attended in numbers that the main stream media are finding harder to ignore. I attended my second Tea Party on April 15th in Warren, Ohio and it had at least three or four times the number of people as did the Cleveland event, and my family and I are going to the 9/12 Tea Party in Washington D.C. which promises to be very biggest yet.

In addition to the Tea Parties, this awakening of mainstream America is manifesting itself in the number of first time candidates for Congress as well, of which I am one. We are revolutionary candidates in the sense that we are not running typical campaigns that promise to bring projects and pork to our local districts. We are running as candidates who are dedicating our selves to restoring the Constitution's rightful role in the decision making in our nation's Capitol.

And here's the good news. If you have been praying for the madness of the last year to end, all it will take is the exchange of 50 people in the House. Just swap 50 radical leftists for 50 Constitution respecting candidates and this march to Socialism will come to a screeching halt.

Don't necessarily focus on just the contest in your district. It doesn't matter at all which districts these 50 patriot candidates come from, as long as they are sworn to restoring Constitutional Government. We need your support. America needs your support.

I believe with all my heart that the Congressional Election of 2010 will add at least 50 conservative voices to Congress. If my name is not among the winners I will be just as happy as long as we achieve that number. I will take solace in knowing that our Country's course will be corrected and that I did my part.

It seems as though the onslaught of odious legislation just keeps coming. Here's a little Bill that's currently flying under the radar. H.R. 1751, called, if you can believe this, "The American Dream Act". Here is a brief description of what it promises: This bill amends the Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 by giving states the authority to repeal the denial of an unlawful alien's eligibility for higher education benefits, which have been previously tied state-residency. It additionally allows for the adjustment from status of alien to conditional permanent resident and outlines the criteria for such an adjustment by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

It seems senseless. From what I can discern; if an illegal alien is denied higher education benefits because he doesn't satisfy the State's residency requirements, under this law, the State can now repeal the denial. They needed federal permission to do this? And wouldn't the fact that they are here illegally itself be enough to deny them benefits?

Reading the bill, I get the idea that the bill will qualify an illegal for benefits if he or she has been here (illegally) long enough. Oh! And I shouldn't forget; it grants them amnesty also. Are these people crazy or what? Anyhow, you can check it out for yourself here: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1751/show

Thank you Dan I have passed this on to an Internet veterans group and will zap out a few letters to Representative Ryan and Sentors Voinovich and Brown. It's time that Washington stopped rewarding illegals.

It's time Washington started deporting illegals...

This is true.

I have been accepted as the 9/12 Project's candidate for the 17th District here in Ohio. The project is looking for one candidate in each district who will sign a contract to follow the Constitution in all things, if elected. You can check it out here: http://912candidates.org/oh/

Please check out my site http://www.danmoadus.org/ It has a new look, and a picture of me other than the one taken when I was in Viet Nam. See what forty years does. It also has some video (me talking at the Canfield Tea Party).

I appreciate your thoughts on the 912 candidate effort. And I apologize for misspeaking. You are correct, the contract does not call for following the Constitution, and some of it's language isn't supported in that document.

The whole idea is a grass roots effort based upon Glenn Beck's call to people to take a pledge to support the outlined principle and values, which I wholeheartedly support. Being associated with the people involved, and knowing how reverently they hold the Constitution, I guess I just read into their stated purpose more than is there.

Here are the 9 principles and 12 values:

9 principles

   1. America is Good.
   2. I believe in God. He is the center of my life.
   3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
   4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
   5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
   6. I have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
   7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
   8. It is not -un American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
   9. The government works for the people. The people do not answer to the government; the government answers to the people.


12 values

   1. Honesty
   2. Reverence
   3. Hope
   4. Thrift
   5. Humility
   6. Charity
   7. Sincerity
   8. Moderation
   9. Hard Work
  10. Courage
  11. Personal Responsibility
  12. Gratitude


Your criticism is duly noted. I will be more careful when I speak. However I am proud to have the endorsement of this group and will do my best to live up to its purposes.

On your other topic (my comments on Cap and Trade). I do know that amendments were offered in exchange for support from some conservatives that simply said that the provisions of the Bill would be suspended if electric rates doubled, and it was voted down by the House Democrats. If what you say is correct, then why the fear of such an amendment?

Sat in for a while on Tim Ryan's tele-town hall meeting. Didn't get to ask a question though. He had some good questions that appeared unfiltered, but he ended up sticking to the talking points. He insisted that big savings would result from people getting "preventative" care, thus catching diseases early enough to save on future treatment.

I don't know how you could insure 47 million more people and pay for all the preventative care and save much money. He also tried to defend his yea vote on the Cap and Trade bill by claiming that many jobs will be created if we force renewable energy upon America. He claimed that over 400 tons of steel goes into a windmill. I don't know about that one.

In the end, he wasn't swayed by any of the questions on the Health Care bill as he indicated that he would press for its passage.

At least he didn't have to worry about crowd control.

at least 250 tons of steel go into making commercial windmills for large scale use.

The nacelle and rotor on a 3 MW turbine weighs 110 tons.  The tower weighs about 200 tons.   Not all of that weight is steel.  If Tim Ryan cannot get his facts straight on a simple thing such as the weight of a wind turbine just imagine the misinformation that he is spouting when it comes to cap and tax and health care.

Thanks Dennis for helping me make my point!

hell is starting to freeze over when rr and dennis agrees on a topic. :)

What puzzles me about Obama's plan to sell health insurance cheaper, is the so called "public option". Because the government doesn't have to make a profit, it can offer insurance a lot cheaper, forcing "for-profit" insurers to lower their price. But there currently are private "not-for-profit" companies right now. Seems to me non-profit is non-profit, how could the government's plan be any cheaper than the private non-profits?

It can't be Dan, without Taxpayers taking care of it. Bingo right back to single payer which is what Mr Obama claims he wanted back in 2007.

It really is pathetic. I listened to Tim Ryan's teleconference and all he did was hash over the same old talking points. The strongest argument he had was just shot down buy their own Budget Office (CBO). He maintains that big savings will occur due to the preventative health care that will be provided. People will now catch expensive diseases early enough to reduce the cost of treating them. The problem is, is that the Congressional Budget Office looked at it and disagreed. If he would take even a minute to look at it he would understand that you may have to pay for years of screenings and tests of 50 people just to catch the one person who will develop the disease. The savings just isn't there. Unfortunately, Ryan will not break ranks with Pelosi and risk end his upward mobility in the Party.

I attended the Town Hall meeting tonight at Youngstown University. Dan Rivers moderated a panel discussing the Health Care Bill, and granted it was a stacked deck with all the participants against the bill. It was a respectable crowd who, I think would have paid him the respect due a Congressman. There was a seat reserved for him on the panel. There was even an ice cold bottle of water right next to his name card. But his seat remained empty.

Check out my site to see where Tim Ryan should have been on August 27th (under the news heading) http://www.danmoadus.org/

Watched Gleen Beck shows recorded Tues. Wed. and Thurs. Really disturbing. It was about inexplicable things happening with the Obama administration. All the people he is appointing as czars and advisers that have radical backgrounds. Supposedly his so called, "Green Jobs Czar" is a self proclaimed communist. Then he has as an adviser, Jeff Jones who belonged to the radical group the Weather Underground who bombed the Pentagon along with his friend Bill Ayers. Both of these people were wanted by the FBI, and were on the run for years. Now this Jeff Jones supposedly had a hand in writing the Health care bill.

His so called, "Diversity Czar" Mark Loyd was shown on tape bragging about Venezuelan Dictator Ceaser Chavez's great revolution. These people are flat out Marxist and anti-capitalists, why isn't the news organizations asking questions about them?

He also appointed a AFL-CIO leader to head up the New York Federal Reserve.

Glenn Beck has been sending questions to the White House asking them to justify the appointment of so many of these people with radical anti American histories, and has recieved no answers. Are there no people in the Congress who care about this?

Think about the Health care bill. Who wrote it, and when. During the time period in which Cap and Trade was being passed, I don't remember being told about the development of the Health Care bill. All of a sudden, a bill appears. I remember when Hillary tried to develop a Health Care bill during her husband's Presidency.  It seemed like the debate went on for months with panels and commissions being formed to work out a plan. Who wrote the current bill? It seems as though not only is Congress not reading their own Bills, they're not writing them either.The media seems to have forgotten their role.

A serious look has to be taken at these people; their backgrounds and at what their roles are.

His ratings in the key 25-54 demo beat O'Reilly twice this week for the first time ever..... His show is at 5pm.

Move him to 9pm and he could very well have even bigger ratings than O'Reilly.

It is just incredible, Beck and Hannity reported today that Van Jones (Obama's Green Job czar) is a 911 Truther. It's not enough that he's a communist, now this. If Congress doesn't raise objections to what's going on at the White House after learning about all the baggage that is coming along with the recent appointments, we are really going to be in trouble.

Dan we already are in trouble. And I don't have a clue how to stop this moron from hurting us even more. So many are so blind to the facts that they continue to defend even these appointments.

Sarge, We stop them by showing up at Tea Parties and similar events in ever increasing numbers just to make them aware that we know what they are attempting, and we're having none of it. We keep this up until the 2010 election, then we throw out at least 50 liberals and put in their place, 50 conservatives. Then we can stand down, but stay alert.........Dan

Good riddance to Van Jones (Obama's Green Jobs Czar). What were they thinking?

Want to bet that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are going to take credit for Van Jones quitting the Obama administration?

Put 50 more conservatives in office and watch America go in the wrong direction...extreme right to fascism....

Fascism is government control of business, sounds more like what we have now.

I do not want extreme anything. I want the government to shrink back to where it should be. and I can't even define that because Even though I'm smarter than some I do know my limitations.

I saw you on TV Dan, they misspelled your name.

I attended the "Campaign for Liberty" rally on Court House Square in Warren on Labor Day, and had a chance to introduce my self to the folks. Had a great time, and met some wonderful people. Here is a video of my talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQy0krpIot4

now I know what a republican in democratic clothing looks like.....

go protest at a schoolyard over obama's speech.....Mr. Conservative.....

Quote from: irishbobcat on September 09, 2009, 05:38:40 AM
now I know what a republican in democratic clothing looks like.....

go protest at a schoolyard over obama's speech.....Mr. Conservative.....

You forgot something Spisak, Traficant was a Democrat that was more conservative than most Republicans.

I watched you speech Dan. Not bad. finally found one thing we disagree on so that's not bad at all.

You know I have to ask, "What was the one thing that you disagreed with?"

We don't exactly see eye to eye on the cameras.

Goodness no, I want less government, especially in my house, But I do not see the major problem with traffic cameras. I mean what is the difference between a camera catching someone going through a red light or speeding and a police officer catching them.

I heard one guy call into I believe it was Ron Verbs show complaining about the camera in Girard. And he was basically crying that it wasn't fair he got caught breaking the law. Oh well, that's just too bad that a camera caught you when an Officer couldn't be there.

I know that it may seem that this issue was of minor importance and easy to decide upon, but it was tougher than that thousand page Cap and Trade bill which didn't take me long to recognize as a "loser".

The house color issue was difficult because I was faced with a constituent objecting to the color his neighbor painted his house (the house almost glowed with a very unusual yellow) and an ordinance demanding that houses harmonize with the rest of the neighborhood. Faced with a citizen wanting to protect his right to enjoy his property by pointing to a legitimate ordinance in the City, I had little choice.

This became quite an issue in our City, as soon after, another complaint was lodged against another home owner who had painted his house a very vibrant blue. The furor over these two houses caught the attention of the media, and the public in Girard who let it be known that they did not support laws dictating what color houses could be painted.

So I, along with my colleagues, rescinded the ordinance. Unlike Tim Ryan, we actually listened to what our constituents told us.

And by the way. I did not "order" the Zoning Inspector to issue a citation, nor could I. I simply relayed the complaint and pointed out that there was an ordinance dictating house colors. Though I did point out to him that he was bound by law to act.

Quote from: sfc_oliver on September 09, 2009, 07:05:00 PM
Goodness no, I want less government, especially in my house, But I do not see the major problem with traffic cameras. I mean what is the difference between a camera catching someone going through a red light or speeding and a police officer catching them.

Sorry Sarge, I have to disagree with you there. Speed cameras, as they were used in Girard violated the civil rights of people who were cited. The citation presumed guilt, and the burden of proving innocence fell to the owner of the car. As Americans, our constitution demands that the burden of proof lies with the State. People were also denied the right to face their accuser, and were denied their day in court. That is simply not how we do things in our Country.

I can tell by your posts that you believe in our Constitution and it's provisions, so I am confidant that you understand that it places extraordinary duties upon the Government when it enforces laws. We could prevent a lot of lawbreaking if we were willing to suspend the protections provided us, and I'm sure you wouldn't go for that.........Dan

"Sorry Dan, but there is no law that states laws MUST be enforced." Honestly, I have not read a funnier statement than that.

Dan, as a "9/12 candidate", are you telling people this is a project backed by

Glenn Beck and his rightwing nuts?

What a wonderful weekend! I attended the Tea Party in Washington D.C. along with my wife Carole, my Sister-in-law, and two friends from Marion Ohio. I have to classify it as one of the most gratifying experiences of my life.

The shear size of the crowd was absolutely breathtaking. We approached the march route from 12th St. at about 10:00 AM. When we were about two blocks away we could see that people were already marching down Penn. Ave. This was surprising, because the march wasn't scheduled to start until around 1:00 PM. We later learned that the crowd grew so large at the staging area that they had no choice but to let them travel down Penn. Ave.

Penn. Ave. is six lanes wide from curb to curb and it was filled with with people walking to the Capital. We walked along with them to 6th St then decided to stop and watch the marchers go by. I started recording the march on my digital camera. At the thirty four minute mark, I ran out of memory, and by my estimation the march continued for at least another hour before we saw the end.

Various chants would start in the crowd and some of them would grow and travel down the route as a giant sound wave, and some of them would fade out. One of the most amazing things I heard was when a cheer started at the beginning of the route and traveled to the end. When the sound began, I thought some jet aircraft was coming our way. I was looking towards the sound, as it grew louder and louder. When I realized that it was cheering that was advancing on us I couldn't believe it. It washed over us and continued up towards the Capital.

The best part though, was the feeling that these people were just like me. No matter who I talked to, it was as if I was discovering a long lost relative. I could tell that everyone there was enjoying themselves to the max. Even though they were voicing themselves loudly, it was abundantly clear that they were enjoying the electricity of the crowd. You could just sense the power surging through it.

From talking to many people, I think the dominant emotion felt that day, was the excitement as it dawned on us just how big our numbers were. Though I felt in my heart that the march would much larger than expected, no one really had any way of knowing how big the turnout would be, because for the most part, it wasn't organized by any one group. As it slowly dawned on the marchers that we would set records the excitement intensified.

I watched many videos of the march on Youtube, but didn't see any quite like the one I took. Mine was from a stationary viewpoint. As I held my sign up, on the side of the march route, I took thirty four minutes of video from the same perspective, as the marchers walked by. I will upload it to Youtube tonight and provide a link to it from my website in case you would like to see it.

The other thing that impressed me was the lack of "standardization" of the signs that the marchers carried. In many demonstrations you can see that someone professionally printed them. Not so with this march. If you watch my video, or any other for that matter, you will see that at least 95 percent of the signs were "homemade". Also incredible, was the creativity of the signs. It seemed that every minute or two I found myself laughing at the things people came up with.

Just in case your wondering what my sign said. One side said, "Tea Party today Tar and Feathers tomorrow", and the other side said, "Don't Make Me Come Back Here". I wish I could take credit for the cleverness, but I copied them from signs that I saw at other rallies. They both drew a lot of "thumbs up" gestures from the crowd, and a lot of chuckles..........Dan Moadus 

Dan, as a "9/12 candidate", are you telling people this is a project backed by

Glenn Beck and his rightwing nuts? 

Quote from: irishbobcat on September 14, 2009, 02:06:48 PM
Dan, as a "9/12 candidate", are you telling people this is a project backed by

Glenn Beck and his rightwing nuts?

If by this project, you mean the March this past Saturday, you are correct. The "Tea Party" in large part came about after a challenge, by Beck, to do something meaningful on Sept. 12th.

Unless you have a problem with the Constitution, I would think you would support Glenn Beck. Of course I know better.

I mean the 9/12 candidate pledge project...that is a Beck project...you telling voters that you are a Glenn Beck Righwingnut?????

Dennis, why do you have to say that those who don't agree with you are "NUTS", another term for those who have mental problems?

I suspect that these very same folks you call mentally ill would come to your aid if you needed it. Would they be crazy then?

It is so amazing, I do not watch any news shows where all you hear is one persons opinion, that includes listening to Limbaugh. But I hear enough of what the various personalities say from the left, on the forums, that it's like I know everything they all stand for or say during most weeks. And isn't it also amazing how more often than not I agree with them. (The personalities the left talks about that is.)

On this, the day after September 11th, we still remember the tragic terror attacks on our home soil. But one group remembers the national rage we felt on September 12th, 2001. They call themselves the 912ers, and their leader is Glen Beck. And their latest public demonstrations are not at tea party protests, but town hall events. They are not at every town hall protest, but when the insurance industry incited mobs quiet, you can hear the 912ers speak. "I want us to go back to the Constitution!", "The Founding Fathers didn't want this!", and "I want my country back!" are their cries. My question to them is, "Do you know what that means?"

We would have to throw out the Bill of Rights. Even Hamilton objected to the Bill of Rights in the Federalists papers. Although, his argument was not against the rights themselves, but that the bill suggested they were the only rights. Further, they were not ratified until four years after the Constitution. That means no freedom of the press, assembly, speech, or religion. No right to a trial by a jury of your peers or to protect you from unlawful searches or seizures. However, the 912ers do make one exception for the Bill of Rights. The only amendment to the Constitution that the 912er's website supports is the second (the right to bear arms).

Minorities and women were not given the right to vote until decades later. African Americans would still be considered property, and even if they had managed to obtain their own emancipation they wouldn't be able to share the same drinking fountains, restrooms, schools, office spaces, or platoons with their white countrymen. We would be left with a slave-owning state where the vast majority of the population had no right to vote.

There would be no more five day, 40 hour work weeks, which gave birth to the concept of a "weekend". There would be no minimum wage, unemployment insurance, or overtime rights. No protections against prejudice, harassment, or wrongful dismissal. Not to mention we would still have child labor.

Write off our national parks and national highways. Those were part of a vast socialist agenda, as were your local police and fire departments, public schools, public transportation (including Amtrak), Social Security, and Medicaid/Medicare. For good measure let's imagine a country without the Rural Electrification Act of 1936, which forced power companies to deliver electricity to all of those flyover states. And in 1949, they extended that law to include phone lines. Don't forget an Act passed in 1933 that encouraged the federal government to "Buy American" whenever possible. And there goes the United States Postal Service, whose roots were passed into law in 1792 and remains largely intact today because private contractors will not deliver a letter to rural Wyoming for 44 cents.

The spiritual aspect of our nation that we take for granted would be lost. We would no longer be "one nation under God" as the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written until 1892, and we would not trust God either. "In God We Trust" was not made into the national motto until 1956.

We would eliminate the CIA and the FBI. The Defense of Marriage Act would disappear and Idaho would be forced to acknowledge legally wed gay couples from other states. The PATRIOT Act would be gone and we could go back to checking out books at our local libraries without worrying about the FBI tracking our reading history, but then again public libraries weren't in the Constitution either. Telemarketers would love to see the Do Not Call Implementation Act of 2003 repealed. And we would be one step closer to Beck's fear of marital law, because the Posse Comitatus Act, which prevents the military from carrying out police actions, would also disappear.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the 912ers would probably support the repeal of the 16th Amendment, the right of the federal government to tax income. And it would also mean the repeal of NAFTA, CAFTA, and all other regulations against business and industry.

Which of these laws are the 912ers really after eliminating? Are they upset that we have a half black President, and wish the 15th Amendment was repealed? Are they striving to hit the reset button after what they see as a corrupt system spiraling out of the control of the people? Or is it more of a case that after eight years of the Bush Administration, the American voters have put the Democrats in charge of 59% of the House, 60% of the Senate, and the Presidency? Thankfully, the Founding Fathers were smart enough to put an amendment process into the Constitution because they knew that the document they drafted was not perfect. Instead, they were trying to seek a "more perfect union". Furthermore, they wanted an organic system of laws that would grow as the country and the world changed. So, on September 12, 2009, let us remember those we lost, fight to keep the system honest, and continue to grow as a nation.

Whatever happened to Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt?

In 1901, President William McKinley was assassinated, and Roosevelt became president at 42. Roosevelt attempted to move the Republican Party in the direction of Progressivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. Roosevelt coined the phrase "Square Deal" to describe his domestic agenda, emphasizing that the average citizen would get a fair shake under his policies. As an outdoorsman, he promoted the conservation movement. On the world stage, Roosevelt policies were characterized by his comment, "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Roosevelt was the force behind the completion of the Panama Canal; he sent out the Great White Fleet to display American power, and he negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese War, for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Theodore Roosevelt introduced the phrase "Square Deal" to describe his progressive views in a speech delivered after leaving the office of the Presidency in August 1910. In this speech, he stressed equality of opportunity for all citizens, and government regulations to encourage such. So many of the specifics outlined in the address anticipate Franklin Roosevelt's new deal that "TR" could hardly have been disappointed in the work of his kinsman, had he lived to witness it.

Roosevelt was one of the first Presidents to make conservation a national issue. In a speech that TR gave at Osawatomie, Kansas, on August 31, 1910, he outlined his views on conservation of the lands of the United States. He favored the use of America's natural resources, but not the misuse of them through wasteful consumption.

In the Eighth Annual Message to Congress (1908), TR mentioned the need for federal government to regulate interstate corporations using the Interstate Commerce Clause, also mentioning how these corporations fought federal control by appealing to states' rights. However, Roosevelt did not always believe in destroying large business interests ("trustbusting"), and was often OK with monopolies so long as they were subject to heavy government regulations. This is known as "regulated monopoly" or "regulated trust."

I am not going to be PC about this one.

Dennis you have posted some really strange things, but this one is just plain ignorant and stupid.

Where did you dig up such stupidity? I know its a cut and paste, even you cannot be that dumb.

I watched the telecast of Tim Ryan's health care "town hall" meeting, and came to this conclusion. He should be ashamed to show his face along with the rest of his cronies for insulting our intelligence.

He actually had the nerve to say that a good portion of the funding for the proposed health care bill will come from stopping the waste fraud and abuse in the Medicare program. I immediately thought of a few questions, and I am sure you did as well. First: Ryan has been in office for eight years, so which is it? Did the waste fraud and abuse just start this year? Or has it been going on for years, and he has been ignoring it? Or did he just recently discover that this was occurring? And if he and his friends could stop it, and that's a big "if", why now? Why have they let it go on all these years?

Do you think it might occur to these people that if the Medicare program has been rife with waste fraud and abuse for all these years, that maybe we don't want to give over to them, the entire health care system in our country?

Here is another example of Ryan thinking his constituents are not smart enough to see through his reassurances. He said that the Insurance companies will now see that more profits can be made by paying for more preventative medicine instead of just waiting until their customers get sick with diseases that could have been treated more cheaply if only they had been caught earlier.

Here is Ryan, who has never had a job, much less run a business, telling the CEO's of the insurance business that he and his friends have just come up with a fabulous new way for them to make greater profits. Like if this was possible, they wouldn't have figured it out for themselves in the 300 year history of the insurance business.

It doesn't occur to these people that it may be more expensive to pay for the yearly batteries of tests and screenings of a hundred people to catch the one that may come down with a major disease. Does he think all this "preventative medicine" is free?

It was a little sad seeing Ryan, who is smart enough to know better, touting this ludicrous party line simple because they are unable admit that there isn't a way to pay for this giant expansion of government.

Dan's motives? I want to be a republican in democratic clothing making $74,000 a year like Tim Ryan.........

Rusty, there was no TEA party movement when Reagan or Bush were in office.  Your argument is absurd and is akin to asking why I wasn't involved in steel preservation in 1965, eight years before I was born!   I do understand though that it is a standard liberal reply to any TEA party member, trying to divert attention away from the issues of today by implying that the TEA party movement would give a blind eye to Republican spending.

The level of government spending under Obama is far, far greater than anything that Bush or Reagan could have ever dreamed of spending.  As I recall us conservatives were against No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D as we thought that it was way too much spending.  Obama has spent many times that amount so far.

Americans will take a lot of abuse before they start to fight back.  While the overspending by Bush was upsetting, it had not reached a level where people wished to band together to fight it.  Perhaps because the economy was good and if we are happily making money then we tend to overlook things.  But with the downturn and then the rapid escalation of government spending the "tipping point" has been reached, and thanks to Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty the TEA Party movement was born.   Since we cannot change the past, it is not productive to continue down the path that you are trying to take us down.  lets discuss the issues at hand.

Good points Rick. What "Rusty" overlooks is that both Bush and Reagan instituted policies that grew the economy, (Reagan doubled revenues). While it is true that they both cracked a lot of "golden eggs" this administration is busy killing the "goose that lays the golden eggs".

I take it then, that we can assume that neither "Rusty" nor Dennis has any disagreement with my comments about Ryan's health care statements. Right?

Dan, I believe in Single-Payer Health Care and find all of your conservative healthcare ideas to be wrong......

Well that's fine Dennis, except you don't address any of the shortcomings people point out. Like it's cost, and how it would be paid for. I suspect that you won't hide behind illogical funding plans like Ryan and Obama, but just admit that you would increase taxes bigtime.

Single-Payer Healthcare is the feasible alternative to out healthcare crisis, Dan....

http://www.progressive.org/mpfein091009.html

Democrats try to stymie debate on health care by playing the race card.

JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: An overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American.

I live in the South, and I have seen the South come a long way. And I have seen the rest of the country that shared the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African- Americans. That racism in connection still exists.

And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the South, but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance and grieves me and concerns me very deeply.


The Case for Killing Granny
http://www.newsweek.com/id/215291/output/print


Death, Republican Style It's the GOP that's out to get Granny
http://www.newsweek.com/id/214267?tid=relatedcl

Single-payer health reform: the feasible alternative

http://www.progressive.org/mpfein091009.html

Health Care Reform on the Homestretch

http://www.progressive.org/node/137378

Public Opinion Snapshot: Moving Toward Clarity on Health Care Reform

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/09/snapshot091409.html

Quote from: Towntalk on September 16, 2009, 09:10:28 AM
Democrats try to stymie debate on health care by playing the race card.

JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: An overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American.

I live in the South, and I have seen the South come a long way. And I have seen the rest of the country that shared the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African- Americans. That racism in connection still exists.

And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the South, but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance and grieves me and concerns me very deeply.

I could not disagree more. I see no evidence that the hatred of Obama is about his race.  Did you see any animosity towards Condalezza Rice when she was Secretary of State? Do you see any hatred of Mr. Steele who is the Chairman of the Republican Party? Did you see Conservatives rail against the appointment of Clarence Thomas?

This charge of "racism" is so absurd that I can almost kick myself for even responding.

Dan:

Newsweek recently ran articles that said that white babies are "born racists" from the moment they take their first breath.

See Baby Discriminate
Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin color. What's a parent to do?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989

Senate Draft Healthcare Bill

http://documents.nytimes.com/baucus-proposal-to-overhaul-health-care#p=1

The racism is coming from the left, not the right.  Look who is making the accusations.

We have learned where racism comes from, we have seen who is teaching racism and where it is being taught.

"If you are in a hole and need a helping hand, and a hand reaches out to you, You do not first look at the color of the hand." (Quote from an Army General whose name I forget)

Quote from: rusty river on September 16, 2009, 11:18:23 PM
You're comments were just that; comments. No substance whatsoever. Are you an economist? Are you a congressional budget expert? Are you a doctor?

If medicare and medicaid are filled with waste and abuse, why didn't republicans and their conservative base address this during the 12 years they were in power?

Here's some straight talk: NOBODY has a damn clue about what is going to come out of congress in the way of health care reform and what it's effect on the budget will be, especially you, Mr. Moadus.

But how convenient of you to forget one of Obama's insisted provisions on ANY health care legislation that should come to his desk: if the program results in an increase of the budget deficit, it will be mandatory that SPENDING CUTS be enacted to offset them. Not an increase in taxes. Maybe you were listening to a different speech than the rest of the world.

And I find it much easier to justify spending billions of dollars on AMERICANS than on fighting wars overseas against intangible enemies.

You're kidding us right? Do you think we should be reassured by what Obama says? Show us the bill that has that provision in it, and I'll admit you are right. How about when he said he wouldn't sign any bill with earmarks then proceeded to sign one with 9,000 of them.

Oh, and let me remind you. The troops are still in Iraq, and Obama is asking for more in Afghanistan.

Rusty says, Bush increased the national debt by over $5 TRILLION!! But I guess that's pocket change to you conservatives and tea partiers.

Rusty is correct, but it took Bush 8 years to do it.  The Debt is predicted to grow by $3 Trillion just this year under Obama. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

So Rusty,  I must assume from your replies that you do not care one whit about the amount of debt our government is racking up.  Is there any point at which you might say that it is too much.  Obviously not, because as soon as someone speaks up against the growth of government you are quick to shoot that person down.  Are you so blinded by partisanship that you cannot see the common threat to our country by the insane government spending?  Yes Bush increased the debt by 5 Trillion.  Some of that was necessary war spending.  When he started passing those massive domestic spending bills many conservatives realized that he was no conservative. 

You know what I meant by my changing the past comment, but you wanted to twist it into something that I did not say or mean. 

BTW, could you expound on why liberals are always so angry?

Its more fun to put words in your mouth. :)

"Disclaimer: Yes, I'm aware that the young people who shot this video and conducted the interviews are calling themselves the New Left Media. Yes, I'm aware that they were probably selective in who they kept in the final edit."


Glad you said it Rusty.........

Of all the idiots Obama surrounds himself with, Sunstein may be the most unbelievable. Forget that he thinks animals should be able to sue people, that's just idiocy, his latest comment is the most ludicrous. He say's that the interpretation of laws should not be left to our Nation's court system, but should be the domain of our leaders. Apparently he skipped school on the day "checks and balances" were discussed. You can see for yourself here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110103

This character is completely wacko. And still the left defends the czars of their master.

Dan:

When are you going to speak out on this issue??? ??? ???

Madeleine Albright: USA No Longer Intends To Be World's No.1 State
http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/18-09-2009/109362-Madeleine_Albright-0

Obama Becomes Europe's 'National Hero'
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/18-09-2009/109377-obama_europe-0

Obama's Night Call to Europe Changes World
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/17-09-2009/109344-missile_defense-0

Putin Praises U.S. Missile Shield Decision, Urges Removal of Trade Barriers
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/383619.html

Dan:

To use anything from WorldNetDaily doesn't say much for you, and it is the very last source you should foist on us.

When I put my website together I refused to use this extreme right wing site because of it's hate filled articles, but chose carefully those conservative sites that do not preach hate and intollarance.

Quote from: Towntalk on September 18, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Dan:

To use anything from WorldNetDaily doesn't say much for you, and it is the very last source you should foist on us.

When I put my website together I refused to use this extreme right wing site because of it's hate filled articles, but chose carefully those conservative sites that do not preach hate and intollarance.

I generally don't try to determine whether a site is "hate filled" or not, I usually concern myself more with, is the article true or not. If I start to read a lot of things that end up not being verifiable, I quit reading that site. Have you seen many things not true coming from World Net Daily? Can you cite some examples.

Regarding the recent quote I posted by Cass Sunstein, the statement was the central thesis of Sunstein's 2006 Yale Law School paper.

If you can't read racism into the tirades against Obama ... the tirades against Muslims ... the tirades against folks like our Dennis who believe in global warming ... not to mention the tone of the polls they take, then we should have second thoughts about your candidacy for Congress.

The shame of it all is that this same web site professes to be Christian or at the very least the great defender of the fauth.

Please, "Towntalk", you have used every diversionary liberal trick to discredit my citation of a quote by one of Obama's idiots, but I am not going to let you get away with it. If you can not substantiate a claim that the quote in World Net Daily if false then you should just be quiet.

By the way. Did you just accuse the "right" of being racist against Muslims? What race is a Muslim? And what race is Dennis?

First, I will NOT engage in mud slinging here ... I have a blog for that purpose, and only the owners of this site can shut me up when I disagree with someone.

If you want to rely on WorldNetDaily for your news that's your business or any other Far Right web site that tries to pass itself off as "news" that's your business, but don't expect us to swallow it.

By the way, I have a deep distrust of candidates that resort to name calling: 

"Of all the idiots Obama surrounds himself with, Sunstein may be the most unbelievable."

You asked for examples: try these:

The tragedy of Anglo-Saxon self-hatred
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56300


A July 4th toast to Thomas Jefferson
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102852

The new political-correctness police
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24670

Judgment Day in Mystery Babylon?
http://web.archive.org/web/20010917014615/http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24458

Another example:

Conservative news website WorldNetDaily.com, which publishes right-wing pundit Ann Coulter's weekly syndicated column, has revised its version of Coulter's February 23 column to include her original description of Hearst Newspapers columnist Helen Thomas as an "old Arab." WorldNetDaily promoted the revision on its March 9 front page as "Coulter's original, unsanitized column."
Coulter's reference to "that old Arab Helen Thomas" appears in the version of the column that Coulter posted on her personal website, but her distributor, Universal Press Syndicate, sent out an edited version to its client publications, which referred to Thomas instead as "that dyspeptic, old Helen Thomas." But despite this difference, Coulter retained the Universal copyright label beneath the version of the column posted on her site, as Media Matters for America noted. Following Media Matters' item, Universal negotiated an agreement with Coulter regarding the use of Universal copyright labels on AnnCoulter.com. Editor & Publisher reported: [A]ll columns on AnnCoulter.com will say "distributed by Universal Press Syndicate (c) Ann Coulter" if the print and Web versions of the column are the same.

If the versions are not the same, the line will say "(c) Ann Coulter" only. "This applies to columns that may be of different lengths, with different headlines, and with different copy from the edited version," [Universal director of communications Kathie] Kerr said.

WorldNetDaily added an editor's note at the beginning of Coulter's column, which reads:

This column by Ann Coulter first ran on Feb. 23, and has since been modified to reflect Ann Coulter's original words rather the [sic] edited version distributed by Universal Syndicate. In the version Universal Syndicate distributed, the phrase "... that old Arab Helen Thomas ..." was replaced with "... that dyspeptic, old Helen Thomas ..."



Ann Coulter article as published by WorldNetDaily:

Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas  to sit within yards of the president. Still, it would be suspicious if Dowd were denied a press pass while someone from "Talon News" got one, even if he is a better reporter.

You continue to amaze me with your responses. What must it be like to live life as a liberal, where the bulk of ones concern seems to be whether or not someone's feelings are hurt. You haven't addressed a single issue that I brought up. All you have done is accused me of being a racist, which if the truth be told doesn't bother me a bit, yet continue to avoid engaging me on the substance of any issues. How about an answer. Are you bothered by Cass Sunstein's remark that laws should be interpreted by the President and his advisers instead of the courts, or not?

Same goes for your examples of racism from World Net Daily. I reread each article and don't see a problem, but I of course, lack the finely tuned sensitivity of a liberal.

By the way, what is your blog? I would like to check it out.

Where did I say Dan Moadus is a "racist"?

As for my bog, Lycos is in the process of making changes making it necessary for us to recreate the blogs we created, and once its done, I'll be more than happy to share it with you.

My main web site: reporters.notebook is completed, and if you take the time to go there, you'll see nothing but fairness with both liberal and conservative views represented.

http://reporters.notebook.tripod.com/

The recent news that the National Endowment for the Arts has been getting grants from the taxpayers seemingly based on their cooperation in using their skills to promote the White House's initiatives is a giant scandal waiting to explode. If anyone has the guts to take it on.

Can you imagine if Bush had given them grants then asked them to make posters glamorizing his "surge" in Iraq?

Using a public organization that lives off of tax dollars to promote partisan issues has to be against the law. Let's see if any Congress person steps to the plate?

It is interesting to see the left's reactions to Glenn Beck's growing popularity with the American people. He is being attacked because the left recognizes the danger he poses to their agenda.

Beck's two biggest achievements: First. He made the call that resulted in the 9/12 march on Washington.

And second, and most importantly was his "shot heard around the world" which was his exposure of Van Jones, Obama's so called "green job czar", that resulted in his resignation. What made it noteworthy was the fact that it demonstrated to the world that the "mainstream media" in America was shown to be completely irrelevant.

Think about it. The words "Van Jones" never appeared in any report by ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, or the New York Times, until the day Jones was forced to resign.

Beck alone started the landslide of outrage that ended up putting enough pressure on Jone's socialist handlers in the White House that they had to ask him to step down.

Imagine what it must have been like in the hallways of these organizations as they realized that they have finally lost the last vestige of their shredded credibility, and no longer would be able to shape and mold American sentiment as they did during the last election.

The so called "progressives" are in a full blown panic because of their lack of understanding of the American people. They thought the election of Obama signaled a shift to the left of the electorate, forgetting that Obama ran pretty much as a conservative.

Beck's constant sounding of alarm bells has made him America's alarm clock, and as Americans awaken from their slumber they're a little on the grumpy side to say the least. Look for attacks on Beck to grow in ferocity and frequency as the left sees it all starting to slip away.

Considering Beck is dressed like a NAZI on the cover of his latest book says enough about him for me......and he is your hero, Dan? tells me enough about you too!

and by the way, TIME magazine called Van Jones one of the most 100 influential people for 2008 when he worked for Green For All..........

Quote from: irishbobcat on September 25, 2009, 02:18:02 PM
Considering Beck is dressed like a NAZI on the cover of his latest book says enough about him for me......and he is your hero, Dan? tells me enough about you too!

and by the way, TIME magazine called Van Jones one of the most 100 influential people for 2008 when he worked for Green For All..........

Great. Time Magazine, another far-left outlet of the media, endorsing a communist.

so you conservatives support a guy who dresses in a NAZI outfit?????????

ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!

To all who are in favor of good government. Please take a look at this site: http://www.ourcaucus.com/index.html  I think these people have "nailed" it. Take a little time to view some of their video presentations starting with the first, and I'll guarantee you that you will come away with a new appreciation of how our representatives have failed us. They also point to a solution. There is hope.

Dan,

No comment on your hero Glen Beck dressed as a NAZI?

Ducking that issue too????????

Maybe you will make a politician someday.......staying inside the city limits of Girard......

Dennis,
   Contrary to popular (your) belief, all conservatives do not watch Glen Beck nor do all conservatives listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh. I for one wouldn't even be able to pick most of these talk show hosts out of a picture lineup. That's right Don't even know or care what they look like.

  You see Dennis, some of us don't have to wait to be told what to believe or say, we can and do think for ourselves.

   I could care less about an entertainer dressing as a Nazi. Now if he held an elected or appointed office.........different story.

Mr. Beck has crossed the line from entertainer to organizing 9/12 rallies as well as
calling out officials in the Obama Administration.

Now Mr. Beck has become a political figure. And if you support him dressing as a
Nazi.......one must question your alligence to him......

Good God Almighty ! I don't want to flame but because Beck dressed as a Nazi you think that is the way he believes in ??????" Don't you think he might be trying to make a point ?" Wait I'll put it in more simpler terms because you don't understand, The way America is going its looking more like Nazi Germany.  Y'll are that stupid or just acting that way ??  Oy Vey !

Case in point ... liberals painted Bush as a Nazi and thought nothing of it, and yes even justified it.

I feel sorry for some of you :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Lost on Gilligan's Island......

Only someone who completely misunderstands what the appeal of Glenn Beck is, could fail to see the attempt at humor of the cover of Beck's book. Besides; my son who is a World War II re-enactor, says that it isn't even a Nazi uniform, but a "post war" German uniform, perhaps an East German one at that. Which would actually make it appeal more to "Irish Bob's crowd.

way to lie your way out of another corner Dan.....and you want to be our congressman...

dan do not assume that "all irishbobcat crowd" agrees with everything that is connected with the red revolution of oct 1917. >:(

irishbobcat has a crowd? that's scary.

not as scary as the military allowing you to carry a gun all those years......

And I still carry one. Most of the time. Makes you feel safe now doesn't it.

well, considering you posted you wanted to shoot a guy on a Yahoo Group site I don;t think a person with your mentality should be issued one and carry one.....maybe the Lowellville Police should be notified of this.......

The Lowellville Police know me rather well. I have assisted them with traffic control several times. And the chief and the Sergeant know me by name, in fact the Sergeants Daughter used to come to my house to visit my niece when she lived with us. My reputation speaks for itself in Lowellville. Remember I'm also the local American legion Vice Commander.

Way to go "Sarge". I'm a concealed carry permit holder as well. It is more than just self defense, we have an obligation to protect our fellow man as well. Remember, "When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away".

House Bill 450 is a bill seeking to require every piece of proposed legislation to have language indicating what authorizes it in the Constitution. It has garnered 52 cosponsors, and not a one is a Democrat. Where is the Democrat Party on this? Don't Democrat congressmen and women take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution? How could not a single Democrat sign on as a cosponsor?

right wing gun carriers can make shooting threats on the internet and the Lowellville Police feel it's ok......reminds me to take my Italian food business out of this little burg.....

Good deal, I won't have Dennis in Lowellville. By the way I didn't threaten anyone, I made an idiot; who cussed out a 70 year old woman; a promise. But then that is none of your business, is it Dennis.

I just read where the Obama Administration is close to choosing a site to house the prisoners who are currently being housed in Guantanamo Bay after it is closed.

Is it just me, or does anyone else see the lunacy of this. When Obama pledged to close the site, was it because he objected to the holding of people deemed to be "enemy combatants" or was his objection just to where they were being held?

If they're still going to be in jail. What does Obama care which jail it is?

Or could it be this? As has been happening, maybe the plan is to release these people individually, or in small groups. Where then, do these people go? Remember the difficulty they had when they released the small group of Chinese detainees? They couldn't find a country to take them.

Maybe they realized that the problem would be solved if they were housed, then released in our Country. The releases, if spaced out, could be done quietly and these people could just "melt" into the American population with little fanfare.

Ask yourself. If Obama wasn't planning on releasing these people, would he care where the prison is?

Dan, are you running against Ryan or Obama?

Sarge, it is my business when you get on here and write to brag you are going to shoot someone on a Yahoo page....why wouldn't one be scared of you as a former military man making threats to shoot people.....we all know about post military stress syndrome....

I suppose you just had to be there.

At any rate Dennis stay out of my life outside this forum. Or I might just start looking into yours.

you do the same , sarge, you do the same and we'll call things even....

I have never made any comments about anything outside of this forum Dennis, It is you who actively searched for and posted my blogs from another site.

Got any thing out there we should look for Dennis?

sarge do not blame Dennis about your personal opinions that comes from your blog. sarge in this day of the info highway age opinions are read on a universal basis. if you do not want people know about your personal opinions do not post them on your website. :-X

Not the point Iwasthere. Dennis likes to make things personal and searched for me in other sites. His purpose was a poor attempt to embarrass me. I suppose.

But how does this wannabe embarrass a Retired and respected US Army Sergeant?

Dennis is nothing but reposted news releases and personal attacks. 

the way you respond to me me says a lot about you, Ricky

sarge one should not be embarrass by one's thoughts and opinions. if you believe in them stand up for them and defend them without any remorse. i am liberal in my social opinions and conservative in my fiscal ways and i am not ashamed to hold them dear to my heart. Dennis is not a wannabe, he is trying to make a difference in his backyard whether you agree with him or not. he has put himself out there in several political races to make a difference in his backyard win or lose it does not make you a wannabe. Abe Lincoln lost all of his political offices ambitions until he was elected president of USA. do you call him a wannabe. you win a few and lose a few. it depends on the individual(s) how they live their life after and during their  private life while improving their neighborhoods that makes him/her a class act.

rr you had in the past insulted me on past posts on this message board. i say to you that is your personal opinion not mine. if you can dish it out, you have to take it too. :-X

Quote from: iwasthere on September 30, 2009, 01:00:39 PM
sarge one should not be embarrass by one's thoughts and opinions. if you believe in them stand up for them and defend them without any remorse. i am liberal in my social opinions and conservative in my fiscal ways and i am not ashamed to hold them dear to my heart. Dennis is not a wannabe, he is trying to make a difference in his backyard whether you agree with him or not. he has put himself out there in several political races to make a difference in his backyard win or lose it does not make you a wannabe. Abe Lincoln lost all of his political offices ambitions until he was elected president of USA. do you call him a wannabe. you win a few and lose a few. it depends on the individual(s) how they live their life after and during their  private life while improving their neighborhoods that makes him/her a class act.

I am not one bit embarrassed, I am rather proud to be me. It is Dennis who wanted to embarrass me, At least that's the only reason I can figure out for his actions. But it is nice of you to defend him seeing as he cannot do so well for himself.
I have no regrets about the way I have and do conduct my life or any of the decisions I've made. I believe I have improved more than just my neighborhood. And once the congress gets done messing with healthcare I will resume fighting for the reform of Medicare and Tricare that I had been fighting for 3 years before Obama. I know I can't get anything done now.

If you believe that we have lost our way as a country, and are looking for a solution. You have to check out this group of people at this site: http://www.ourcaucus.com/
They provide a video that will really open your eyes as to what has happened to America, and best of all they have developed a plan that will restore our Country. There are many groups who recognize that something has gone drastically wrong, and are looking for solutions. I think if you invest a little time to watch this presentation you will see that there is a way out.
If you do take the time to examine their plan I would appreciate it if you would E-mail me Dmoadus@Danmoadus.org to give me your thoughts. Thank you...........Dan Moadus

Gore Vidal: "The Republicans will win the next election, Vidal believes. "Remember the coup d'etat of 2000 when the Supreme Court fixed the selection, not election, of the stupidest man in the country, Mr Bush."

The U.S., he says, is "rotting away at a funereal pace. We'll have a military dictatorship fairly soon, on the basis that nobody else can hold everything together.

Quote from: Towntalk on October 01, 2009, 01:00:44 AM
Gore Vidal: "The Republicans will win the next election, Vidal believes. "Remember the coup d'etat of 2000 when the Supreme Court fixed the selection, not election, of the stupidest man in the country, Mr Bush."

The U.S., he says, is "rotting away at a funereal pace. We'll have a military dictatorship fairly soon, on the basis that nobody else can hold everything together.

Mr Vidal is obviously an Idiot.

sarge are you saying Geo Jr was an intelligent man and a great president?

I'm saying that any man who can become governor of texas and win re-election and then do the same as President of the USA is by far NOT a stupid man.

And I believe he was a good president, far from the best , but also far from the worst.

sarge are saying Geo Jr was telling the truth about the wmd did exist in Iraq? do you agree that the voting machines in Ohio were in proper working conditions without any paper trail to produce a secure election? do agree Kenneth Blackwell was a honest Ohio secretary of state during both presidential elections 02, 04?

Quote from: iwasthere on October 03, 2009, 12:07:43 PM
sarge are saying Geo Jr was telling the truth about the wmd did exist in Iraq? do you agree that the voting machines in Ohio were in proper working conditions without any paper trail to produce a secure election? do agree Kenneth Blackwell was a honest Ohio secretary of state during both presidential elections 02, 04?

Do we really want to open this can of worms?

President Bush believed that Saddam had WMD. Most of the world believed it. Saddam even admitted that he wanted Iran to believe it.

I do not know about the voting machines in 2000, But I know there is no investigation saying that they weren't.
And I don't know if Blackwell broke any laws in 2000 or 2004. I know I didn't vote for him for Governor.
But who was it that allowed homeless to vote in 2008 using a park bench as an address? I wonder how many times some of those people were able to vote?
There is voter fraud rampant in the country if you believe or want to believe everything you hear. I hope none of it is true; though we all know that's a dream.

Just some thoughts on the importance of the "Tea Party" in D.C. on September 12th.  Unstated, and probably not understood, is the importance of the reinforcement derived from the protest. I'm speaking of the reinforcement received by all of the people who share our concerns but didn't attend the march. Yes, benefit will come from the political class seeing the size of the resistance and fearing for their jobs, but more importantly, is that a very big message was sent to those in the country who share our feelings, but felt all alone.

That day in Washington no one knew how many of us would come, but I can tell you that each of us left with a new appreciation of our size and power. Nothing energizes an army more than each soldier being able to look to the left, then the right, and seeing a million fellow fighters. I also know the thought crossed every mind that day, that we represented only the visible part of the iceberg.

In the end,"votes" matter more than money, because, all money can do is aid a politician in persuading people to vote for them. But all the money in the world won't change what they have done, and the people I encounter aren't ready to buy into the promise of "change" again anytime soon.

Quote from: rusty river on October 04, 2009, 10:07:39 PM
So everyone has the right to vote, unless you're poor, right Sarge?

Please, they were registered and given a ballot on the same day. You have to wonder. Why is it that this never happened before? I wished we could get 100% of the people out to vote. But again, we know that will never happen. Seems most just don't care until they have something to complain about.

There's plenty to complain about today though isn't there.

Two thoughts on voter turnout. A low turn out is an indication of just how wonderful our country is. Countries that are torn by strife, or those that are new to freedom always have a big voter turn out, because they are eager for change in their lives. You will note that Obama used this lesson to get elected, but that is another story. Low voter turn out is really a sign of satisfaction. People who are comfortable often don't feel the need to vote. Conversely, people whose lives are terrible will ignore death threats and suicide bombers to cast a ballot.

My second thought is that pushing people to vote, or making it as easy as picking up a pizza, does harm to the country, because the "casual" voter generally doesn't take the time or make the effort to cast an informed vote.

How many people voted for Obama solely because he is black, or because he mouthed the words "change", without reading a single thing about his history, or his agenda?

Though it is politically incorrect, I believe we should not be encouraging "casual" voting by making it easier. All it does is dilute the power of thoughtful votes.

Dan, you will be crucified for that....But I can't comment on it, I'd write a book, and probably get crucified next to you. And it goes back to Voter fraud. And how did those homeless know they could go and vote, and who took them to get the ballot? We all know the answers. And we know who they were told to vote for.

Tell us how you conservatives really feel, boys!!!!!!!

How we really feel? I just said it. Against voter fraud. No matter where it comes from. Of course there has never been any here, I'm sure.  ??? ???

Quote from: rusty river on October 05, 2009, 05:12:05 PM
Watch the documentary Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections.

"UNCOUNTED is an explosive new documentary that shows how the election fraud that changed the outcome of the 2004 election led to even greater fraud in 2006 - and now looms as an unbridled threat to the outcome of the 2008 election."

So does this biased film claim ahead of time that the Democrats committed fraud in 2006 and 2008? Seems like they started out assuming that the Republicans cheated in 2000 and 2004 then predicted the same in 2006 and 2008. Can't have it both ways, or can we........

I really don't know if I want to know.

I watched the trailer and did some reading. And as with most theories they make lots of claims, where is the investigation and charges?

You see I read about Voting fraud investigations happening now in something like 20 states. But they are all from 2008, and we know who is being investigated.

But I don't see any charges from 2000 or 2004. What am I supposed to believe? Democrats in congress in 2007 investigated everything they could think of to hang something, anything on Bush or Cheney, they are still trying. But no election fraud cases.....

Now back up and read a few of my posts. I have stated several times that I was against voter fraud from either side, And even hinted that it happens on both sides. Of course there is no proof other than the ACORN people who have been charged and convicted of submitting false registrations.

Now you want to come along 4 and 8 years later and start throwing out this movie, yet there were no official investigations or charges. I know that several newspapers did independent recounts n Florida back in 2000. But they all came up with Bush as the winner.

Where is the investigations Democrats have a super majority and all I hear is how they are crying because the Republicans aren't being bipartisan. What the hell do you guys want? You think it should be investigated Tell Timmy boy Ryan to get on it. And when there is proof that comes out of a court then I will gladly say good they caught them.

But without the court you got nothing.

Rusty River,
I didn't say anything about people having to fit my definition of "thoughtful" voters to be able to vote. I just said I couldn't care less about people who don't vote, and that I think making it easier to vote just encourages the casual voter who, for the most part, are not "thoughtful".

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My point in all this, Sarge, is to point out the partisan bias that you and Mr. Moadus exhibit.

You have a problem with the homeless being able to vote. Mr. Moadus thinks that only people who fit his definition of "thoughtful" should be allowed to vote. So how about we make a law requiring citizens to be of a certain income level and educational attainment in order to vote? Would this appease the two of you?

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I did not say that I have a problem with anyone being about to vote. I said I had a problem with someone getting a registration and voting at the same time while using a park bench as an address. This was never legal before the Democrats in Ohio felt they needed more votes all of a sudden. You simply do not want to understand that I would welcome a full investigation of the 2000 and 2004 elections, but at the same time please include 2006 and 2008. You ignore the fact that there are already guilty verdicts from voting fraud in 2008, Why isn't there any from other years?

Start the investigation I welcome it. I want all our elections clean. And I have said this several times now. But you still accuse me of being Biased. Show me the investigations and charges. Democrats have been in charge of congress nearly 3 years. Show me the investigations.

This fiasco with the electric utilities sending out energy efficient light bulbs serves to illustrate the ridiculousness of the energy plans of the left, and the so called Green party in particular.  Consider what they did. They passed a law requiring the electric companies to reduce the demand for electricity. Now think about that for a minute. What control does the electric provider have over demand? Score yourself a 100 if you said none.

Apparently there wasn't any discussion of just how the providers would accomplish this. Oh, by the way. This law was called " The Renewable Energy and Efficiency Act". Who could be against that?

So the providers, up against this new requirement, and realizing that they don't have any control over demand, come up with this idea of forcing us to use these new bulbs, and they get the approval of the PUCO. When the public gets wind of this, all hell breaks loose, and what does these same legislators do? They publicly blast the electric companies, over looking the fact that they themselves are to blame.

They're no different than their counterparts in Congress. They think the impossible could be done if they pass a law requiring it. And here's the kicker, if people don't like what this law wrought, wait until they get a load of what the Cap and Trade Bill will bring.

So, Dennis. Let's hear from you. I'm sure you were a big proponent of this Bill. Please give us your recommendation as to how the electric companies can reduce demand.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Demand is not a function of supply. You can have high or low demand for things that are scarce, and you can have high or low demand for things that are plentiful. Demand is completely separate from supply.

On your other point. I don't know if the Law calls for just less usage, or less usage of electricity produced by fossil fuels. That would change the equation. Let's ask Dennis, I'm sure he worked his little tail off on getting it passed; he ought to know.

There is also one way that the electric companies could achieve the same effect as lowering demand, and they could do it without any additional investment. They could simply produce less. Of course, the people probably wouldn't be any happier with the resultant "brown outs" or "rolling blackouts" then they are with the light bulb idea. But they only have a bunch of liberals to blame.

Dan, they day is coming when we will require less fossil fuels to produce electricity.....so finally get it through your thick headed conservative head and deal with it......

I see Dennis didn't have an answer so I looked it up.

"The bill (Senate Bill 221) requires Ohio's electric utilities to harness the potential of energy efficiency measures, and cut energy use in the state 22 percent by 2025. ":

So they are tasked with cutting the states energy use. How stupid is that? That's like telling a Grocery store that their customers need to lose an average of 10 pounds each.

Sarge,
Thanks for the information. Loved the grocer analogy.

Dennis,
We all are looking forward to the day when renewable energies become the norm. We just object to trying to force the issue by raising the cost of fossil fuel created energy.

This "crew" in the White House grows more worrisome every day. Get a load of what this idiot, Cass Sunstein, believes in. In this article the Obama appointee openly argues for bringing socialism to the U.S. and even lends support to communism. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112630

If we don't stop these people soon, we may reach a point where we can't.

Sunstein is just another one that has no business in a free Washington.

The "light bulb" fiasco with the electric companies is just a smaller version of what is in store for us with the "cap and trade" legislation. It will have a much wider effect and greater costs to the consumer. Both impose artificial limitations on energy, whether by restricting demand, production, or emissions, they force greater cost on to the customer.

The name of the Bill that caused this mess is "The renewable energy and efficiency Bill" or something to that effect. Can't you just hear how the Bill must have been sold in the Ohio House. "Come on, you don't want to vote against renewable energy do you?"

Now we are treated to the sight of the very same people who voted for the Bill, gnashing their teeth as they decry the energy companies plans to adhere to their new law.

And what is worse, is that I read that these energy efficient bulbs have already been purchased for millions of dollars. And, if the electric company is now prohibited from sending them out and billing us for their cost, they will go to the PUCO and demand that they be allowed to charge these additional cost to us any how.

Our legislators have their fingers crossed and are hoping that you won't notice when the cost of these bulbs (that you now won't get) are added to your electric bill.

As bad as this may seem, just wait until Cap and Trade gets passed.

Oh gee, I bet it's like Christmas, I can hardly wait....


:-X >:( :( :o ::) :-X

I'm NOT saying that this will happen, but did you ever consider that First Energy just could sell them to outlets like the Dollar Store or some other discount chain, say Family Dollar, and then come tax time, they have a great deduction.

Those evil big corporations are always looking for ways to save a buck, and that contemptable big government that is in the back pocket of evil big business, the same contemptable big government you want to be a part of, aided and abetted them in the tax code.

Let the little guy try to take advantage of the loopholes in the tax code, and he's hammered by the IRS.

House Resolution 554 is a Rules change requiring that all bills be posted on the internet for 72 hours prior to being voted on by the House. Currently it is locked up in committee and Nancy Pelosi is making sure it doesn't come to the floor for a vote.

Those interested in open government are looking for a chance to vote on this measure, and are seeking signatures on a Discharge petition. If a majority of our Representatives sign the petition, Pelosi will have to release the bill for a vote.

I understand that 184 Representatives have signed, unfortunately Tim Ryan is not one of them. 218 Signatures are what is needed to force H.R.554 out of committee for a floor vote.

I called his office today and asked someone on his staff if the Congressman supported H.R 554? The staffer didn't know what the Resolution was for and also didn't know if Ryan supported it. I asked him if the Congressman believed in open government, and he said, "Of course he did". I then requested that the Congressman sign the petition, and was told that my request would be forwarded.

I will follow up to see if he does sign the petition and report to you.

I have less respect for some of his staff than I do for Mr Ryan himself. And that's pretty low.

Quote from: Towntalk on October 19, 2009, 09:18:43 AM
I'm NOT saying that this will happen, but did you ever consider that First Energy just could sell them to outlets like the Dollar Store or some other discount chain, say Family Dollar, and then come tax time, they have a great deduction.

I wouldn't be surprised if they take the tax break, AFTER they do this:

Quote from: Dan Moadus on October 18, 2009, 10:59:47 PM
... [the electric company] will go to the PUCO and demand that they be allowed to charge these additional cost to us any how.

Our legislators have their fingers crossed and are hoping that you won't notice when the cost of these bulbs (that you now won't get) are added to your electric bill.

Supposedly, this was reported by Hugh Hewitt.com  Someone please tell me this is a gag, or a Halloween trick.

"In an interview with MSNBC's Keith Olberman last night, Nancy Pelosi announced that she would move to bring a vote to the floor of The House of Representatives as early as next week to ban Fox from covering Congress. "That Fox regularly grants access to Republican Congressman to spread their lies and propaganda on their airwaves is a violation of the public trust, and their continued desire to challenge such well documented facts as Global Warming, and the efficacy of single payer health insurance, proves that they are simply doing the work of the special interests. They should thus be stripped of their journalistic access in the halls of Congress," argued Pelosi."

Dan:

I did both a Google and Lexus Nexus search and didn't find anything.

In the past, reporters have had their credentials pulled so that they were no longer permitted in the press gallery. One noteable case was with World Net Daily, but that was done by the committee that controls the Press Gallery, and not on the floor.

Pelosi can ask the committee to kick Fox News out, but it's up to the committee to act on it or refuse.

Considering the fact that C-SPAN covers the House live Fox wouldn't be losing much.

The House Radio-Television Gallery is one of three press rooms or "galleries" serving as newsrooms for members of the media who cover the House of Representatives. We serve as a liaison between Congressional offices and the electronic media. Most major broadcast news organizations have regularly staffed bureaus in this office.
Under House Rules, the Radio-Television Gallery, like the other House and Senate media galleries, is under the control of an executive committee of correspondents. Journalists administer the Gallery and decide who qualifies for Gallery press credentials.
This website is updated daily to provide timely information about Congressional proceedings and media events occurring on the House side of the Capitol. We hope you find it useful.
Sincerely,
Olga Ramirez Kornacki
Director
http://radiotv.house.gov/

I couldn't find any verification of this report either, and now think it was a hoax. It is sad though that things are such, that one wouldn't immediately find the report laughable.   

Dan:

Talkers, both liberal and conservative toss ideas up against the wall to see if they will stick, and most fall flat.

This is why I don't reference things that (a) are on talk radio or (b) blogs on my web site or in my newsletters.

If it can't be verified by three independent news sources, or if it's not an exclusive from a legitamate news source, it gets no space.

What is a legitamate news source? Newspapers; Networks; Lexus Nexus; Google News; and news magazines.

http://sroblog.com/2009/10/24/pelosi-ban-foxnews-from-covering-congress-by-lee-habeeb-salem-radio/

http://lornakismet.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/speaker-of-the-house-nancy-pelosi-plans-to-ban-fox-news-from-covering-congress/

And it's in a lot of Blogs but they don't count.

Sarge:

No offense but if this were true, why is Fox News not reporting it?

Again, press credentials are not given by vote of the House or Senate, but as I posted, by a press committee.

The House Radio-Television Gallery is one of three press rooms or "galleries" serving as newsrooms for members of the media who cover the House of Representatives. We serve as a liaison between Congressional offices and the electronic media. Most major broadcast news organizations have regularly staffed bureaus in this office.

Under House Rules, the Radio-Television Gallery, like the other House and Senate media galleries, is under the control of an executive committee of correspondents. Journalists administer the Gallery and decide who qualifies for Gallery press credentials.

This website is updated daily to provide timely information about Congressional proceedings and media events occurring on the House side of the Capitol. We hope you find it useful.
Sincerely,
Olga Ramirez Kornacki
Director
http://radiotv.house.gov/

None taken, I'm not making the claim its true just that it's out there. Not that I wouldn't put it past Mz Pelosi.

I wouldn't either the truth be told but the press corps would be up in arms if she tried. The reporters may not like Fox, but if Fox was black balled, it could be one of them next. An attack on one reporter is an attack on all reporters.

Included in an E-mail I received is this text from Tim Ryan's office: 58 MILLION DOLLARS AWARDED TO FUND SMART GRID TECHNOLOGIES

On Tuesday, I announced that $57,470,137 has been awarded from the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act to fund Smart Grid Technology to FirstEnergy Service Company, an Akron-based company. The grant comes as part of a $3.4 billion investment (matched by industry funding for a total of $8 billion) in energy grid modernization, the largest in U.S. History.

This investment is further evidence that the Economic Stimulus Package is working, and working quickly. This grant will create new jobs that can't get outsourced, and the implemented technology created right here in Akron will cut energy costs for Americans across the country.

This Smart Grid modernization will hasten our nation's transition to a smarter and more reliable electric system. An analysis by the Electric Power Research Institute estimates that smart grid technology implementation could reduce electricity use by more than 4 percent by 2030 (Approximately $20.4 billion). The end result will promote energy-efficient choices for consumers and strengthen the growth of renewable energy sources.  Today, one-hundred private companies, utilities, manufacturers, cities, and other partners received Smart Grid Investment grants. These grants will fund the installation of over 2.5 million smart meters along with other technologies that will ultimately reduce energy costs for customers.

The innocuous looking text that I highlighted in red is what should be noted by all. Just how will this "smart grid", with its "smart meters" promote energy efficient choices? By allowing the energy company to know, not only know how much electricity you use, but when you use it, so they can charge you more for energy you use during peak hours. In some countries that have adopted this method, using electricity from midnight to 5am gets you a nearly 90% discount, but using it in the late afternoon and early evening costs nearly 175% more.

If you think about it, the meters we have now, tell the electric company how much electricity we use; can you think of anything else that you would want it to tell the electric company, anything that would help you or be of benefit to you? Of course not.

And keep this in mind. Do you think if the electric companies find a way to reduce your use of their product, that they are going to accept any less profits?

To get a better understanding of how the Tim Ryan's of the world think, just look at the latest fiasco created by our State politicians . They also had this great idea of reducing the amount of electricity we use. Of course without "smart meters", they just went ahead and "ordered" the electric companies to reduce "our" demand. When it became apparent that the companies were going to send us low energy bulbs, and charge us enough to retain their current profit margins ( all blessed by the PUCO) the politicians went into panic mode, blaming everyone but themselves.

Ryan, so determined to keep in good standing with the Democratic leadership, not withstanding their radical left wing agenda, will sign on to any crazy idea handed down from on high, because he believes he can not be voted from office. From Cap and Trade to the Smart Grid, all disastrous to Ohio.

Like our local politicians, he banks on reaping political benefits from these great sounding projects, and hopes that when it comes time to pay the piper, you won't remember that he selected the tune.

To learn more about "Smart Grids" and how they could effect you, you can start here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid

On Thursday the 5th, I went to Washington to take part in the demonstration against State run Health care. It was a good turn out for a request that came four days earlier. I estimated that there were between five and ten thousand people attending. After the demonstration we went to visit our respective Representatives. When I arrived at Tim Ryan's office there were already three people from Portage County waiting for him. We were told by Ryan's Chief of Staff (Mr. Grimes) that he was in the Capital for a vote and probably would not be returning to the office. He was polite, and was willing to spend time answering our questions and listening to our concerns.

He clearly was supportive of the Bill, and indicated that the Congressman was as well, but was open minded about his support. We explained that we believe that the majority of his constituents do not support the legislation, to which he answered that he and the Congressman felt otherwise. He said that most of the people they talked to were in favor. I asked him where did they park their buses today?

Rather than take up too much of his time, I explained that I would be running against Tim in next years primary election, and that I would be using his vote against him if he voted for the bill. I said that if Ryan was smart he would vote "NO" and take the issue away from me. We'll see.

Dan, you can keep the issue and all your conservative talk.....

a democrat in republican clothing will not win the May Primary!!!!!!

Dennis,
I think we will let the voters decide that. You may find that the Democrats in this district agree with me that the leadership in Washington does not reflect our views.

During the Health Care bill debate Tim Ryan spoke for a minute, and here's what he said.
"In 2009 we need to redefine freedom. Freedom in America in 2009 means being healthy, and having access to a health care system that isn't just for the elite, but is for everybody."

The big debate we are engaged in in America, for the most part, is about individual freedom. Considering the lack of understanding of Ryan exhibited in his statement, and Democrats of like mind, is it any wonder that we are going down the road we are?

Dan - in you quote of Tim Ryan - it ends with ".....and having access to a health care system that isn't just for the elite, but is for everybody."  Does that mean the he supports the bill for HIMSELF and other members of congress ????

That's an easy answer: To paraphrase Ryan: What do you think I am a blame fool?

Watch in the next couple of weeks for a push to get Senate approval of the Cap and Trade bill that has already passed the House. The so called Climate Conference in Copenhagen is coming up in December and my bet is that Obama will try to push this legislation through so he can go to the conference with this bill in hand.

Please give a call to your Senator, or any Senator to demand that this bill be killed. Or be prepared to double what you currently spend on electricity.

I generally do not cut and past articles, but this was sent to me, and it must be passed on. This is crucial. Not only will your energy costs double but you will not be able to sell your home unless it is retrofitted to all the new energy standards. All houses will be required to undergo an energy audit, and they will have to permanently display a label describing its energy efficiency level, and it can not be sold until it complies. Take a moment and read the following. Then call your Senator, and a few others.     

H.R. 2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009
        http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454

        This is unbelievable! Only the beginning.....

        Wow!  Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!!!  Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.

        H.R.  2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.  The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year.  No one is excluded..  However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost.  Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

        But wait.  This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it.

        Probably the worst one is this:  A year from now you won't be able to sell your house.

        Yes, you read that right.  The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it.  But, if not, then forget it.  Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included.

        In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

        To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured.  Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.  Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell.  And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

        The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest.  Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.  The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings.  However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.

        Sect.  202:
        Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America .

        Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.  You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e., ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years.  Oh, goody!  The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements if you meet certain energy efficiency levels.  But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants.  You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets.  More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in."

        Sect.  204:
        Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act." This means that within five years, 90% of all residential homes in the U.S.   must be measured and labeled.  The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program.  The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year.  Oh, the label will be like a license for your car.  You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label.  And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.  But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time.  Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15.  That was when the program started.  Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase.  Expect the same from the home labeling program.

        Sect.  304:
        Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

I'm sure the Green Party will dance for joy as they watch their neighbors, friends and relatives get a royal shafting by the government. But will they keep up their dance of joy when they find themselves on the list, and have to shell out their life savings to come into compliance, or mortgage their home by taking out a second or third mortgage?

Rusty:

I was going to post the actual text of the sections that Dan referenced but the moderators would have kittens if I did because just one of them is over 6 pages long using Word at 12 point type.

It would take a Philadelphia law firm to interpret the sections in question, and as for putting it into a foremat that the average Joe can understand forget it because a huge law library would need to be used just to put the whole thing into context.

It's for this reason that I take what people are saying with a grain of sea salt.

Here is the Congressional Research Service Summery of Section 202 and 204

(Sec. 202) Requires the EPA Administrator: (1) in consultation with the
Secretary, to develop and implement standards for a national energy and
environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multi-family
residences; and (2) in consultation with the Secretary and the Director of
Commercial High-Performance Green Buildings, to develop and implement standards
for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for
nonresidential programs. Declares that: (1) programs to implement such standards
shall together be known as the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance
(REEP) program; and (2) the purpose of REEP is to facilitate the retrofitting of
existing buildings to achieve maximum cost-effective energy efficiency
improvements and significant improvements in water use and other environmental
attributes. Requires the EPA Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary,
to establish goals, guidelines, practices, standards, and specified program
elements for accomplishing such purpose.
Requires the EPA Administrator to: (1) consult with and coordinate with the
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) in implementing the REEP
program with regard to retrofitting of public housing and assisted housing; and
(2) establish standards to ensure that retrofits of public housing and assisted
housing funded are cost-effective.
Requires the EPA Administrator and the Secretary to provide assistance to state
and local agencies for the establishment of revolving loan funds, loan
guarantees, or other forms of financial assistance for REEP. Provides for the
administration of REEP by state and local governments.
Requires emission allowances to the states' SEED accounts to support the
implementation through state REEP programs of alternative means of creating
incentives for, or reducing financial barriers to, improved energy and
environmental performance in buildings. Establishes eligible uses of such
support. Requires nonresidential buildings receiving support to satisfy minimum
indoor air quality standards.
Requires the EPA Administrator to report annually on REEP's achievements in each
state and on recommendations for program modifications.
Authorizes appropriations for FY2010-FY2013 to the EPA Administrator and to the
Secretary for REEP program costs.

(Sec. 204) Requires the EPA Administrator to: (1) establish a building energy
performance labeling program with broad applicability to the residential and
commercial markets to enable and encourage knowledge about building energy
performance by owners and occupants and to inform efforts to reduce energy
consumption nationwide; (2) develop model building energy labels for new
residential and commercial buildings; and (3) conduct building energy
performance labeling demonstration projects for different building types.
Directs federal support for the program to be provided through the emission
allowances allocated to the states' SEED accounts. Establishes requirements for
states to follow in order to become eligible to utilize allowances to implement
this program.
Authorizes the EPA Administrator to create or identify model programs and
resources to provide guidance to offer to states and localities for creating
labeling programs consistent with the model program. Requires the EPA
Administrator to report to Congress on the model labeling program.
Requires the Secretary and the EPA Administrator to: (1) use the labeling
program to evaluate energy performance in DOE and EPA facilities and to
encourage and support implementation efforts in other federal agencies; and (2)
establish a business and consumer education program to increase awareness about
the importance of building energy efficiency and to facilitate widespread use of
the labeling program.
Authorizes appropriations to the EPA Administrator and the Secretary for
FY2010-FY2020 for such labeling program.

Do you think that Dan might be willing to read these CBO documents the longest of which is 32 pages.

CBO Testimony before the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
(32 pages)  October 14, 2009
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/105xx/doc10561/10-14-Greenhouse-GasEmissions.pdf

CBO - The Economic Effects of Legislation to Reduce Greenhouse-Gas Emissions
September 2009
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/105xx/doc10573/09-17-Greenhouse-Gas.pdf
(32 pages)


CBO - How Regulatory Standards Can Affect a Cap-and-Trade Program for Greenhouse Gases
(6 pages) September 16, 2009
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/105xx/doc10562/09-16-CapandStandards.pdf


CBO - The Use of Offsets to Reduce Greenhouse Gases
(8 pages) August 3, 2009
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10497/08-03-Offsets.pdf

Or this document from the Congressional Research Service:

CRS - Climate Change: Comparison of the Cap-and-Trade Provisions in
H.R. 2454 and S. 1733
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40896_20091105.pdf

"Rusty" may be right. I can't say for sure that the bill prohibits someone from selling their home without upgrading it. I haven't read all of the Bill. All I said was that someone sent me the e-mail that I posted. When I get some time I will read further in the bill. Reading more of the Bill for me would simply be for academic purposes, because even if the accusation I posted is is untrue, what I know to be true is more than enough reason to oppose it. Just the fact that Obama said it will double our electric bills and put "Coal" out of business is enough for me.

On another subject. I am ashamed to say that not a single person from my party (Democrat) signed on as a co-sponsor of H.R. 2294, a Bill making it against the law for any prisoners from Guantanamo to be brought to United States.

Why would anyone want to bring them into the Country when they are perfectly secure in GITMO?

It has to be a political decision Dan. The Congress cleared the way with the Supreme Court for Military Tribunals to begin at Gitmo in 2006 and they had begun until Mr Obama Stopped them nearly a year ago.

Politics is the only illogical reason I can think of, because there certainly cannot be a logical reason.

I think Obama and his "crew" wants these terrorists tried in Civilian court so that they could put the CIA and George Bush on trial. You know if they were tried in a military tribunal they wouldn't stand a chance of dragging Bush and the CIA into it. They will risk letting these murders go, jeopardize the safety of the people of New York, and incur great cost simply to please their radical base.

Someone go get Dennis; great news! It appears that the global warming fears that seem to endlessly torment him, have been fabricated, and global warming has not been happening after all. "Climategate" as it is now being called, is due to make a splash as Congressman Inhofe of Oklahoma soon calls for an investigation.

Aparently on November 19, the news broke that thousands of emails and other data were stolen by hackers from the computers in one of the four major climate research centers. This data shows that the very scientists we relied on to determine the extent of global warming, have been fabricating information all along to hide the fact that there is no global warming, and they have also worked to silence their skeptical peers as well.

When you think of all the changes we have made in how we live and produce things in American, and how much hardship and cost we have endured because of this hoax, it makes you want to see these people in jail. And that's where some of them may end up according to some reports.

Don't look for the mainstream media outlets to report on this story; they have all been co-opted, but thankfully, today we have many atlternatives such as this http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/20/climate-cuttings-33.html
You can go to this and other sites and read the emails for yourself.

I can't wait to read Dennis's reaction. If he is truly concerned about this threat, he will be relieved, and welcome the possibility that the threat isn't real,  but those who are simply using this hoax to promote the destruction of America's economy will try to discredit the information. We'll wait to see if this information pleases, or angers him.

dm if it true or not i am not afraid to think outside of the box to save monies on fuel comsupation items. i wonder if you would have been a naysayer to the early invention steamboats, trains and autos that were inventions that were created by thinking outside of the box.

Conserving fuel or any other resource is good, and exploring every possibility that science presents is wise, but making up a false crisis is something all together different. And forcing crippling regulations upon American industry based on fabricated data is criminal. You should understand that the so called "green" movement is nothing more than free market hating leftist, who dupe people genuinely conservation minded in order to forward their anti capitalist agendas.

You should understand now that that the data has been "cooked" and "Global warming" is false.

It is now becoming clear that this so called crisis is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated. As I said you can examine the incriminating E-mails yourself at this site: http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/20/climate-cuttings-33.html

dm like i said before whether the global warming debate is true or not i encourage people to think outside the box so the us is less dependable on foriegn oil. if there are inventors that are out their that can make products that makes us less dependable of fossil fuels. i say go for it. can you tell why the same car, the ford focus that is in us receives 30mpg of fossil fuel consumption while the same model and make in Sweden receives 40 mpg of fossil fuel consumption. dm can you answer this question?

I too, place my hope with inventors, and I am sure that they will create ways to satisfy America's energy needs. But until they do, we should drill our own oil, and build nuclear power plants. Trying to force wind and solar power on our Country before they are efficient enough to compete with fossil fuels will only kill our industries and the jobs that go with them.

Remember, two of our greatest inventions, the automobile and the airplane, didn't come about because our government funded giant research projects, but by individuals seeking to make a buck.

As to your question about the Ford Focus. I can not give you an exact answer, but I can tell you this. The car the gets 40 MPH is either lighter, has less power, or both.

dm we should drill our own oil and open up the closed oil fields for nuclear power plants, i still have to study that issue more. i am convince wind and solar canbe profitable for the us citizens by providing good paying manufacturing jobs here instead of having china taking the lead in this matter. would you have oppose jfk when he said the usa will put a man on the moon before this decade was over.(1960)

dm for the ford focus it is neither, it has the same specs that the USA car has.

Quote from: iwasthere on November 28, 2009, 10:21:43 PM
dm for the ford focus it is neither, it has the same specs that the USA car has.

The difference is the traffic and the roadways.

nope same type of traffic and roadways but better maintain.

If, as you maintain, the car is the same, then Sweden must have found a way to repeal the laws of physics. There is nothing magical about certain cars and mileage. The car that gets better mileage must sacrifice something for it. Speed, power or weight, though small differences can come from better aerodynamics.   

You just gave a good illustration of what distinguishes liberals from conservatives. Liberals think "government" made America great, while conservatives believe "freedom" made it great. Sorry, but I just can't get the image of Samuel Langely's government sponsored airplane plopping into the water as it tried to take off from its houseboat.

Of course I would not support government subsidies for any business. I don't see any such provisions for this in our Constitution. I do not have a problem with our government building and maintaining roads and highways as they are paid for by a 46 cent tax on each gallon on gasoline we purchase. I am opposed to the selling of public utilities and roads to the private sector.

By the way. Did you hear about the Obama Value meal at Mc Donalds? You order anything you want and the guy behind you pays for it.

Came across President Reagan's "Time to choose speech" on http://www.infidelsparadise.com/  Near the end he said this: "You and I have a rendezvous with destiny, we'll  preserve for our children this last best hope for men on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.". With all my heart, I think those words are more true today than they ever were.

Dennis: Lets put that quote into full context because what was said then does have meaning for us today.


Ronald Reagan's  rendezvous with destiny speech.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvg7lRsCVJ8

dan if you believe in reagan destiny speech for the future owners of this country run as a republican instead of a democrate.

Quote from: Towntalk on December 04, 2009, 12:01:50 AM
Dennis: Lets put that quote into full context because what was said then does have meaning for us today.


Ronald Reagan's  rendezvous with destiny speech.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvg7lRsCVJ8

Excellent, I haven't even thought of that in years.

Quote from: iwasthere on December 04, 2009, 08:36:23 AM
dan if you believe in reagan destiny speech for the future owners of this country run as a republican instead of a democrate.

Everyone knows a Republican cannot get elected in this district. Got to have that Big D behind your name.

if you have a message that people can believe in you a D or R will not matter. if you are a false candidate in your name and reputation and your message you will never be elected to dog catcher in this town.

In light of the revelation that climate data was tampered with to hide the fact that the Earth is not warming, but in fact is cooling, I am calling on Tim Ryan, or any of our Representatives in Congress to rescind the vote taken by the House approving the Cap and Trade legislation.

Any reading of this bill makes it clear that it will place additional burdens on our industries, will effect America's competitiveness, and destroy jobs. And now that we know that the Earth is not warming as reported, there is no good reason not to rescind this vote.

As I say on my web site  http://www.danmoadus.org/papers/environment.htm  "With this in mind and considering the present plight we find our economy in, don't you think we could take a break from saving the globe for a couple of decades and allow American industry a little breathing room so that it can be revived? Let China and India take up the fight for the next ten years, because if they decide not to worry about the environment and continue to build their industries at the pace they are currently doing, it won't matter how "green" America becomes anyways.

Let's get off the backs of American industry for a while so that it can do what it does best which, of course, is to lead the world. We need to restore our industrial base and economy to secure a decent standard of living for our children.

Let's take a gamble that the globe can make if for another 20 or 25 years, and then revisit the global warming issue. In the mean time, maybe China and India could be persuaded to join us in making the necessary changes."

It should be clear that, even if global warming is not a hoax, It does not present an immediate problem; we need to get back to restoring America's economy, and it's leadership position in manufacturing..........Dan Moadus

Global Warming?

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/uschill.gif

As for Polar Bears, if you watch nature pictures on TV you would know that male Polar Bears kill and yes, eat young Polar Bears. In fact, so do Brown Bears, Black Bears and Grizzle Bears. It's their nature.

Adult male bears males occasionally kill and eat polar bear cubs.

^ Derocher, AE and Wiig, Oe; Infanticide and Cannibalism of Juvenile Polar Bears (Ursus maritimus) in Svalbard Arctic [Arctic]. Vol. 52, no. 3, pp. 307-310. Sep 1999


Male bears, especially Polar and Brown Bears, will kill and sometimes devour cubs born to another father in order to induce a female to breed again. Female bears are often successful in driving off males in protection of their cubs, despite being rather smaller.

I took out petitions today to officially declare my candidacy for the 17th District Congressional seat.

How you gonna beat Timmy and Jimbo running as a conservative republican in a
Democratic primary?

Quote from: irishbobcat on December 22, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
How you gonna beat Timmy and Jimbo running as a conservative republican in a
Democratic primary?

1. Traficant is not going to be running as a Dem.
2. No guarantee Traficant even runs in the 17th.
3. He will get more votes than you did because more people are conservatives than radical environmentalists in our area!

There's talk that he may run in the 6th.

Quote from: irishbobcat on December 22, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
How you gonna beat Timmy and Jimbo running as a conservative republican in a
Democratic primary?

I am not running as a conservative Republican, I am running as a conservative Democrat, and I happen to believe that most Democrats agree with my positions than do with our current Democratic leadership's. For instance. I believe that we are over taxed. I believe the Government is too big, and spends too much. I believe we should seal our borders to prevent illegals from gaining entry, and believe illegals shouldn't be able to access our social services including schools and hospitals. I believe they should be sent packing instead of given drivers licenses . I believe in individual gun ownership and don't believe in global warming. I believe that the Federal Reserve should be audited then disbanded. I do not support the Cap and Trade bill nor the Government take over of the health care industry.

I think there are more Democrats in this District that agree with my positions on these issues, then the current leadership.

You sound like a Conservative Republican to me.....and besides, we don't need anymore Blue-Dog Democrats....One Charlie Wilson is enough for Ohio.....and this area.....

Quote from: irishbobcat on December 23, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
You sound like a Conservative Republican to me.....and besides, we don't need anymore Blue-Dog Democrats....One Charlie Wilson is enough for Ohio.....and this area.....

We don't need radical leftists like you either who are so far out of the mainstream in society it is not even funny. Keep drinking the Al Gore Kool-Aide!

News and Views....don't you have a high school science project due after the holidays?

Stick to working on your homework instead of getting involved with politics...be a good little boy and go hang your stockings for Santa.....

dan no matter what you say i do not trust your sincerity as a rep for all individuals in 17th district.

Quote from: iwasthere on December 23, 2009, 12:10:50 PM
dan no matter what you say i do not trust your sincerity as a rep for all individuals in 17th district.

Your fear is what? That I won't be as liberal as you want, or I won't be as conservative as you want?

Quote from: irishbobcat on December 23, 2009, 11:28:27 AM
News and Views....don't you have a high school science project due after the holidays?

Stick to working on your homework instead of getting involved with politics...be a good little boy and go hang your stockings for Santa.....

I am in my second year of college. You can attempt to insult me, but it will fail. Degrading a person will look quite impressive on your resume!

Merry Christmas News and Views....keep studying ......

Quote from: Dan Moadus on December 23, 2009, 12:58:26 PM

Your fear is what? That I won't be as liberal as you want, or I won't be as conservative as you want?

you will never be able to think outside the box to fix the problems that society faces today aka alternative energy, increase pro labor organizations, healthcare for everyone those are few items that you will not satisfy my society's goals.

Dan's platform is simple....help the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.

Quote from: iwasthere on December 26, 2009, 01:30:10 PM
you will never be able to think outside the box to fix the problems that society faces today aka alternative energy, increase pro labor organizations, healthcare for everyone those are few items that you will not satisfy my society's goals.

If you think government solutions are "thinking outside the box", you might want to review a little history of Countries that thought they could manage the economy better than the free market.

You would think that with all the evidence available detailing the catastrophes that resulted, including the loss of life and freedoms, there would be little interest in going down those paths, but the "promise" of helping others, and equality are just so appealing that people choose to ignore the history of so many "social experiments".

How could you ignore what took place in the Soviet Union, and what continues today in Countries like North Korea and Cuba. All the human tragedy and servitude that resulted when all these Countries tried to do was take care of people, just like those in Washington today. It all sounds so nice, so kind, so reasonable. Just trust the leaders to "plan" out the entire economy, so it can be more fair. Then in five years, after the plan fails, make another one, and another.

The difference of course, is that there is always a new crop of "Would be tyrants" who think it all failed because it just wasn't done right. They think that if only they could get a chance, they would do it better. Hence the saying, "Communism only killed a hundred million people, let's give it another chance."

The Extreme Left Agenda:

REPEAL :
The 1st Amendment
The 2nd Amendment
The 4th Amendment
The 5th Amendment
The 6th Amendment
The 8th Amendment
The 10th Amendment
The 22nd Amendment

Specifically, who is the extreme left who push the agenda in your post, towntalk?

The CPUSA for one, but don't worry I don't consider Greens as extreme left wing.

There are extreme Democrats such as Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer.

Another is Michael Moore and Al Frankin.

ok, just checking to see who was in your extreme left group....

Quote from: Dan Moadus on December 27, 2009, 12:08:21 PM
If you think government solutions are "thinking outside the box", you might want to review a little history of Countries that thought they could manage the economy better than the free market

History does show us that "managed economy" by the government never worked.  During the great depression decade, government seemed to do more harm than good for the economy.  It was only after a decade of financial instability that a massive armament industry rose to pull us out of stagnation.  In other words, we had a lot to sell to the world.


Today, we are just at the beginning of a depression and the alarming difference with the last great depression, is that we have no industry to create product to sell to the world!  If you become our congressman, what industry will you bring to the valley?  What businesses will you have us concentrate on to produce product and be competitive globally?

What we're trying to say is, we are not stupid, we know government is just printing money to stall.  We can see that the Valley is only sustained by public sector income and that private sector REAL money is insignificant. we need a leader to show us the money!!!  How to make the money, everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Dennis:

I would also add a number of people in the Obama administraton who make Alger Hiss look like a 100% loyal American.

Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on December 27, 2009, 04:21:31 PM
History does show us that "managed economy" by the government never worked.  During the great depression decade, government seemed to do more harm than good for the economy.  It was only after a decade of financial instability that a massive armament industry rose to pull us out of stagnation.  In other words, we had a lot to sell to the world.


Today, we are just at the beginning of a depression and the alarming difference with the last great depression, is that we have no industry to create product to sell to the world!  If you become our congressman, what industry will you bring to the valley?  What businesses will you have us concentrate on to produce product and be competitive globally?

What we're trying to say is, we are not stupid, we know government is just printing money to stall.  We can see that the Valley is only sustained by public sector income and that private sector REAL money is insignificant. we need a leader to show us the money!!!  How to make the money, everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Let's clear up some common mis-conceptions first. It is common to hear people say we don't make anything in America any more. This simply is not true. When I hear people say this, I ask them what year do they think was the "peak" year for manufacturing in America. Usually, they guess in the 40's or 50's. Most are surprised to learn that it was just two years ago 2007. America still produces over 25 percent of the world's goods; China produces only 8 percent. You should also know that 2/3 of our trade imbalance is due to importing oil.

I also do not think its a Congressman's job to bring jobs to his or her district. And in fact, when you see some politician bragging about an industry they brought to the Valley, it's usually just a case of getting in front of a parade that already started. A Congressman's job is to attend to the health of the Country. Actually, the best thing a Congressman can do for business is to see that government stays out of it's way. Small government that doesn't tax or regulate businesses to death is what creates jobs, then it's up to the locals to follow suit with reasonable taxes and regulations. Our valley has a lot of strengths to offer potential businesses, but there are also many reasons we get passed by. Certainly you don't believe all those steel mills that once located here, came because of some Congressman, do you?

Dennis,  Thank you for your response.  You are a little vague on your answers tho, can you please clarify your following statements:
1.  In 2007, what did we manufacture and export more than any other year in our history?
2.  Again, the 25% of production in the world that we provide, can you elaborate?
3.  Since you want to be our leader, what is your track record and qualifications?

Your discription of what a congressman does, seems that attending to the health of our area includes identifying industry and creating an environment that is friendly to businesses.  You did not answer my questions about specific businesses.  Thanks in advance for you specific answers. 

For a quick but encouraging overview of U.S. manufacturing check out this article: http://tinyurl.com/c3stgz  Dramatic changes have occurred in this sector, but you will be surprised where it is leading us. It also answers your question about what we are making.

Thanks Dan, at least you tried.  After college, I worked for five years in the Submarine Design Office and my brother is about to retire as a senior Boeing engineer, I know the defence industry.  It is not an economic indicator and hardly a continuous industry that we can depend on.  You should not believe everything you read.  You also did not answer question number 3.

Ytownshrimp asks what are my qualifications.
I am a lifelong student of government. It interests me like automobile engines did when I was younger. I'm a mechanic at heart, and simply can not stand things that do not run well. Whether it's a miss in an engine or government that isn't running well. I am basically a problem solver.

I have been involved in local politics for over 25 years, and have always fought for the taxpayers. I know every politician says that, but it isn't true. Most of them do what I call "going native" once they get in office. They soon learn how powerful a voting block the city workers and their families are and quickly learn that if they want to stay in office they better understand that their primary role is to see that a year never goes by that the workers don't get a raise.

I have served eight years as a Girard City Councilman and never voted to raise a tax or a fee. I have also never voted for raises for the workers when a deficit existed in the City's budget, and I have paid a big political price for it. Every election the City workers have worked hard to keep me out of office. At times they would even have rally's before the election to get out the vote against me, and celebrations afterword.

Here is something important you should know. Whether it is Local, State, or Federal, government departments and their employees come first with almost every polititcian. You are second, and are viewed as nothing more than a "meal ticket". Look at any City in the area, and every politician that has been in office for many years, and you can safely assume they put your needs second. If they didn't they wouldn't be in office. Politicians like me sneak through occasionally; usually when the voting public wakes up and gets angry, but not often.

I am also better suited than my opponent to understand the struggles of everyday folks. My opponent has never had a job, unless you call being a Congressman a job. He has never served in the Armed Forces, and he has never had a business. I have have had over twenty five jobs and belonged to 3 unions. I lost my job leading a wildcat strike fighing for workers rights at Lordstown. I have fought in a war and been shot. I own a business and know what it's like to struggle to meet a payroll.

I am also the person who rid the City of Girard of it's traffic cameras. Though I did not get a ticket, I sued the City in Common Pleas Court and prevailed. That decision is upheld in Trumbull County today.

I am a fighter. I fight for individual freedom, fiscal responsibility and limited government. I am not intimidated by anyone, and I don't stick my finger in the air to test the political winds. Sometimes when people ask me to sum up who Dan Moadus is in one sentence, I tell them, "I'm like Jim Trafficant without the record."

I read in today's Vindicator that Tim Ryan got $4 million dollars for the area to retrain unemployed workers in "green technololgy" skills. Problem is though, there are no such training programs. If this wasn't so sad, it would be funny. $4 million dollars for non existent schooling for non existent jobs.

Wrong Dan. YSU is developing Green Job training programs.

That's nothing but a bunch of hot air. Maybe there is some tricky engineering to be done, but for the most part, constructing windmills and installing solar panels doesn't require anymore knowledge than that possessed in the construction trades. And the jobs don't exist because not many people are dumb enough to buy these devices. They may as well have classes in "jet belt" repair and maintenance. I remember twenty five years ago when showmen started flying around football stadiums with jet belts there were people talking about how before long everyone would be "jetting" to and from work. If Ryan was around then, he would probably be allocating a couple of million to educate people to work in the, soon to be burgeoning, "Jet Belt" industry.

At this point in our technological history, alternative energy is nothing but a cruel and expensive hoax. Check out this site to see how well its working out for our European friends: http://tinyurl.com/daun7m 
You will find that Denmark which has over 6,000 windturbines and is the leading world in moving to this energy source has yet to even replace a single fossil fuel plant.

If anyone gives it even a moment's thought, they could understand that if it was feasible at this stage, and could compete with fossil fuel generators it would be flourishing. The simple fact that it hasn't developed commercially on its own and requires almost total government subsidy should tell you that its not ready for prime time. To think that someone would be wasting tax dollars on educating people to work in an almost non-existing industry is laughable.

One would be hard pressed to even name one industry that is a success that had to have the involvement of government even remotely similar to the support given to wind and solar power. Look at the automobile industry, or the aviation industry, did they need supported by government. No. Why? Because once they became feasible their worth propelled them.

The aviation industry receives billions of tax payers dollars annually from the defense department both for aircraft and R&D but I suspect that you object to that as well as just about everything else under the sun, moon and stars.

Do you also object to the billions of taxpayers dollars provided to the pharmaceutical industry for R&D?

That's fine, I don't have any problem with the government subsidizing research as it does for the defense and health industry. But just throwing money out for education in an industry that isn't even looking for workers is nothing more than "posturing".

I can't count the number of times I have said that we need to allow scientists the time to find and perfect the next generation of energy. Instead we keep allowing our government to direct and push whatever is "hot" at us.

I think last night America found out that the strongest party in the country is the "Tea Party"

Quote from: Dan Moadus on January 20, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
I think last night America found out that the strongest party in the country is the "Tea Party"

nothing was change the other night you just exchange one political party with another party that both missions statements of their parties are destroying this country. if the mass. in dependant voters wanted change they would have elected a true independant candidate from a true independant party(ies).

Chances are, you won't see a successful independent party in America. Our system isn't structured to allow it. The other problem is figuring out just what it is that they could stand for that isn't covered by the two parties. I remember Pero's Reform party. It attracted disgruntled people from the left and the right. The first time they met to draft a platform it was almost a riot. You are far better off electing people who represent your views and get them to change the existing parties, as I am attempting to do in the Democratic Party.

In thinking about the lost HUD money that has been in the news recently, something caught my eye. We tend to think that these programs just pass out money without regard to merit or how it will be used, but in Saturday's Vindicator there was an article that indicated otherwise.

It said the reason the Valley was passed over was that the cities involved in the grant application failed to convince the government that they had the expertise to use the money properly or to implement the program adequately.

Wow! I was impressed. A government agency that was actually concerned about how the money that they pass out will be used.

It's too bad that we didn't get the money, as we certainly have enough abandoned houses to tear down, but at least we learned something encouraging......Dan Moadus

The problem is that they have our money to pass out (or not) to begin with. If that money had never left the valley we wouldn't be jumping through hoops to get it back.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on January 21, 2010, 04:58:56 PM
Chances are, you won't see a successful independent party in America. Our system isn't structured to allow it. The other problem is figuring out just what it is that they could stand for that isn't covered by the two parties. I remember Pero's Reform party. It attracted disgruntled people from the left and the right. The first time they met to draft a platform it was almost a riot. You are far better off electing people who represent your views and get them to change the existing parties, as I am attempting to do in the Democratic Party.

i disagree with you dan there have  been numerous political parties in usa since our country's conception. the whig party, the federalist party and  progressive party these parties did fight the established ruling political parties at the time and their political victories  mold the fabric of usa today's thinking.

I understand your point, but those parties all achieved "critical mass" and had to win the majority of the votes before they took power. Ours is a winner take all system. A new party could win a decent amount of the votes and still not have any representation, unlike a parliamentary system where if you win 10 percent of the vote you get to have 10 percent representation. So you're correct in saying it's possible; I just think it's very unlikely at this juncture.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on January 23, 2010, 05:21:07 PM
I understand your point, but those parties all achieved "critical mass" and had to win the majority of the votes before they took power. Ours is a winner take all system. A new party could win a decent amount of the votes and still not have any representation, unlike a parliamentary system where if you win 10 percent of the vote you get to have 10 percent representation. So you're correct in saying it's possible; I just think it's very unlikely at this juncture.

dan give it a try again. we might be surprise at the end results.

I appreciate the advice, but I would never run as a third party candidate.  I think it is much easier to change the existing parties to suit us. For instance. The Democrat Party has been dragged leftward for over thirty years now. I think it has been dragged away from most mainstream voters. Especially this past year. There are people like me, and Justin Wooden over in the Akron area who are very strong conservatives who are working to drag the party back to the right. Actually the task is not as difficult as it might seem, because most Democrats lean conservative. I'm sure you've seen that no Democrat runs as a liberal, and certainly not as a progressive. That's a pretty good indication that America doesn't elect liberals, except when they lie as Obama did. All you have to do to defeat them, is to "out" them, as I intend to do with Tim Ryan.

This is really bothering me, and I'm wondering if I have it wrong or has every commentator missed this? We know that the Country finished the year with over a trillion dollar deficit, so the money that was used to bail out banks and auto companies did not come out of our government's general revenue, but was borrowed or printed.

The only rationale for the printing or borrowing was that we needed to do these bailouts because these companies were "too big to fail". Now that some of these companies are paying the money back, shouldn't it be paid back if it was borrowed, or destroyed if it was just printed?

If this isn't done, doesn't it lend credence to my theory that the "bailouts" have been used to launder huge amounts of money by our politicians? My theory is that just printing money to hand out to politicians would cause a public outrage. But this returned money can now be viewed as "paid back" rather than "printed money. In effect the money has been "legitimized" and is ready to pass out as "pork" to buy votes with.

America doesn't need anymore right wing conservatives who sell mom and pop Americans down the river to
Big Business, Big credit card companies, big health care companies, and big drug companies.....

How about "Big Government" Dennis?

The other day my opponent appeared on the WKBN's Rob Mangino show. When asked if he still supported the Cap and Trade legislation Ryan said that he did, because they made changes to the Bill. He went on to say, "Where before, we were charging for carbon credits, we are now giving them away for free."

So inured to "green speak" Ryan appears incapable of understanding just how ludicrous that statement is.

In regular English he is saying this to American business, and in turn to it's workers: "We were going to charge you for the limits that we are placing on how much energy you use, but have now decided that we will limit you for free."

This display of arrogance and lack of understanding of American principles is bewildering.

Ryan is for Ryan, I have nothing good to say about him and his staff so I'll be quiet.

The Federal Deficit this year is reported to be $1.6 trillion dollars. That number simply doesn't register with people. Here is a way to visualize it.

A dollar bill is .005" of an inch thick. It takes 200 of them to make a stack 1 inch thick. Imagine for a minute that you walked out on to a pier in New York City and stood this 1 inch stack up on it's edge, and started to add stacks to it. Imagine how much money it would take to extend this line of money across the City. Then imagine how much money it would take to extend the line across the State of New York.

How long of a "money line" could we create with this $1.6 trillion dollars?
Amazingly,  It would extend to California......................................And back..........................................18 times.

Oh, and remember. That amount is not how much our government is going to spend this year. It is how much more they are going to spend than they have.......Dan Moadus

Can't wait til May 4th when Ryan wins Re-Election!

Quote from: irishbobcat on February 02, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
Can't wait til May 4th when Ryan wins Re-Election!

i heard today that ryan is running scared these days due to his shoddy representation on the healthcare debate and the traficant element.

I've been attempting to get action from Ryans office for 3 years now, and it has to do with Healthcare reform. I was told expect to lose. Ryan needs to go.

Quote from: sfc_oliver on February 03, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
I've been attempting to get action from Ryans office for 3 years now, and it has to do with Healthcare reform. I was told expect to lose. Ryan needs to go.

what is your formula for decent healthcare for ALL citizens of United States?

This morning I filed petitions with the Trumbull County Board of elections to have my name placed on the ballot for the May 4th Primary election as a Democratic candidate for Ohio's 17th District Congressional race.

Congrats and best of luck Dan.

We don't need more Conservatives in Washington....The Party of NO>>>>>>

We need more people in Washington to say NO

No more illegals
No more deficit spending
No more subsidized Green energy
No more bailouts for bad business
No more closed door health care planning
No more bad government
And the list goes on

we need no more narrowed-minded people like sarge!

Quote from: irishbobcat on February 06, 2010, 11:10:53 AM
we need no more narrowed-minded people like sarge!

So you'd prefer:

more illegals
more deficit spending
more subsidized Green energy
more bailouts for bad business
more closed door health care planning
more bad government?

when is government not bad? Oh, when we get 16 inches of snow and we need government to plow the streets...

We need better health care......the current system destroys financial security for the everyday person....

We need green jobs and we need them now....we need to put people back to work.....

We need a balanced budget by cutting watseful spending and raising revenues.....

You won't balance the budget while giving away the store. We need jobs, we do not need jobs that must be subsidized by the government in order to exist. We already have too many of those. Does your disagreement with everything I say blind you that badly?

My mind is wide open for intelligent ideas, but I cannot accept more spending and bigger Government. It simply doesn't work.

But you liked it when government took taxpayer time and money to plow out your personal driveway on Saturday?

They could have spent the gas, time, and money doing a street like they are supposed too!

Quote from: irishbobcat on February 07, 2010, 03:56:55 PM
But you liked it when government took taxpayer time and money to plow out your personal driveway on Saturday?

They could have spent the gas, time, and money doing a street like they are supposed too!

My bet is it took one guy an extra hour to do what the Mayor asked of our street department. You have a problem with that? Tell you what, sue the village. Take us to court. Make a federal issue out of it. Then get a life.

you're right, sarge, I have a life, and I shouldn't waste it arguing with a person like you....

If I am elected, you can count on me to sponsor and support efforts to make accessing our State's rich coal and natural gas deposits easier, with less restrictions, in order to make Ohio's energy less expensive. Nothing entices industry to move to a region like cheaper energy.

My opponent's efforts to support so called "green jobs, or green industries" is nothing more than naive political blather designed to make people think he has a vision for the future. And maybe he does, but you can be sure of one thing.  No matter how many of our tax dollars they spend chasing green pipe dreams, the "future" they envision will not get here soon enough to cure what is ailing our country right now.

We all await the day that a little windmill the size of a satellite dish could provide all our household energy needs, and there is little doubt that that day will come, but no one in the know believes that that day will arrive sooner than twenty or twenty-five years from now. In the mean time, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power is all we have, and all efforts to "Cap" its use should be ended before further damage is done to Ohio's manufacturing base.

A February 7th Vindicator article talked about the "Marcellus Shale Formation". It is a natural gas deposit the size of Greece, which lies under Eastern Ohio, most of Pa., and W. Virginia. It is estimated that it contains enough clean burning gas to fuel our entire country for at least twenty years. However, accessing it produces an un-wanted by-product; a "briny" wastewater. The article goes on to say, "Everybody and his brother is trying to come up with the 11 herbs and spices", referring to the search for a good way to treat or dispose of this wastewater.

The article mentioned that "entrepreneurs" are trying to market portable devices for treating this by-product. Wouldn't it make sense to divert investment from so called green energy efforts, to support people who are seeking easier ways to exploit an energy source that is available right now, Our region could be to natural gas, what Saudi Arabia is to oil?

We certainly should continue to support basic research that will someday provide us with endless cheap and clean energy, but it's time our leaders quit fabricating false hopes based on wind and solar power just to give the impression that they are forward thinkers.

Dan, there's no such thing as clean coal.....you're a typical conservative big business polluter....

I didn't say anything about "clean coal". I said coal.

I know, Dan. Coal is not clean...it pollutes our air and streams. Ohio is ranked second in soot, mercury, and ash pollution from coal burning plants.....

I bet you are also for mountaintop removal....another environmental disaster....

Plus you support more nukes......man, you are one dirty energy crazy person ....

Quote from: Dan Moadus on February 08, 2010, 12:33:05 PM
If I am elected, you can count on me to sponsor and support efforts to make accessing our State's rich coal and natural gas deposits easier, with less restrictions, in order to make Ohio's energy less expensive. Nothing entices industry to move to a region like cheaper energy.

My opponent's efforts to support so called "green jobs, or green industries" is nothing more than naive political blather designed to make people think he has a vision for the future. And maybe he does, but you can be sure of one thing.  No matter how many of our tax dollars they spend chasing green pipe dreams, the "future" they envision will not get here soon enough to cure what is ailing our country right now.

We all await the day that a little windmill the size of a satellite dish could provide all our household energy needs, and there is little doubt that that day will come, but no one in the know believes that that day will arrive sooner than twenty or twenty-five years from now. In the mean time, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power is all we have, and all efforts to "Cap" its use should be ended before further damage is done to Ohio's manufacturing base.

A February 7th Vindicator article talked about the "Marcellus Shale Formation". It is a natural gas deposit the size of Greece, which lies under Eastern Ohio, most of Pa., and W. Virginia. It is estimated that it contains enough clean burning gas to fuel our entire country for at least twenty years. However, accessing it produces an un-wanted by-product; a "briny" wastewater. The article goes on to say, "Everybody and his brother is trying to come up with the 11 herbs and spices", referring to the search for a good way to treat or dispose of this wastewater.

The article mentioned that "entrepreneurs" are trying to market portable devices for treating this by-product. Wouldn't it make sense to divert investment from so called green energy efforts, to support people who are seeking easier ways to exploit an energy source that is available right now, Our region could be to natural gas, what Saudi Arabia is to oil?

We certainly should continue to support basic research that will someday provide us with endless cheap and clean energy, but it's time our leaders quit fabricating false hopes based on wind and solar power just to give the impression that they are forward thinkers.

dan like i said before you will never be elected because you are not truthful about your party's affiliation. dan came clean and fuss up that you are a republican through and through.

Sorry "iwasthere", but you are not the determiner of who is and who isn't a Democrat. I was elected three times to office as a Democrat.

The people of the 17th District will determine for themselves what kind of Democrat they want to send to Washington.

I do know this though. The Democrats I talk to believe in a smaller less intrusive government. They believe it is their right to own and bear arms. They believe in American exceptionalism, and that English should be our official lanquage. They believe it should be illegal to step on the American flag. They believe that people who come here illegally should be sent back to where they came from instead of allowing them to access our services. They also think global warming is a bunch of crap and fed up with hearing about "green" this and "green" that. They believe in "profiling" and they are sick of political correctness.

Dan, you are a conservative Republican in Democratic clothing.....

You probably also believe the Sun revolves around the earth, the earth is flat, and the moon is made of cheese....

If you're not on drugs, you ought to be....

Tell me Dennis, do you believe in any of the things I listed? I know you don't believe that "global warming" is a bunch of crap, but what about the other things I listed. Do you believe in those? Let's see just where you stand.

All I know is that for some reason Mr Ryan is worried about his job. Last election you had to search for any re-election material or even yard signs for Ryan. And this year I have already received a flyer in the mail.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on February 09, 2010, 03:44:15 PM
The people of the 17th District will determine for themselves what kind of Democrat they want to send to Washington.

I do know this though. The Democrats I talk to believe in a smaller less intrusive government. They believe it is their right to own and bear arms. They believe in American exceptionalism, and that English should be our official lanquage. They believe it should be illegal to step on the American flag. They believe that people who come here illegally should be sent back to where they came from instead of allowing them to access our services. They also think global warming is a bunch of crap and fed up with hearing about "green" this and "green" that. They believe in "profiling" and they are sick of political correctness.

Right On!!!

Quote from: Dan Moadus on February 09, 2010, 03:44:15 PM
Sorry "iwasthere", but you are not the determiner of who is and who isn't a Democrat. I was elected three times to office as a Democrat.

The people of the 17th District will determine for themselves what kind of Democrat they want to send to Washington.

I do know this though. The Democrats I talk to believe in a smaller less intrusive government. They believe it is their right to own and bear arms. They believe in American exceptionalism, and that English should be our official lanquage. They believe it should be illegal to step on the American flag. They believe that people who come here illegally should be sent back to where they came from instead of allowing them to access our services. They also think global warming is a bunch of crap and fed up with hearing about "green" this and "green" that. They believe in "profiling" and they are sick of political correctnes.

your resposnes are the same ones that the teabaggers were misinforming the public about barak's whitehouse agendathis past summer.

Huh?

that was their message last summer guns, less government, english language only crusade, american flag should be flown in everyone's home, immgrigration and global warming. these statements are what the republicans want the american society to believe. if you are against us you are not for the american way, a joe mccarthy  idealism.

Iwasthere.. You don't own a firearm do you...

Another "Climategate"? Check out this report that three-quarters of the Earth's temperature measuring stations were shut down. From 6,000 stations to 1,500. And guess which stations were shut down. Stations in the colder climates. The Earth's temperature, as an average of readings from these stations would naturally show a warming trend. Is this yet another manipulation by the "green" nuts to validate thier hoax. You be the Judge. Here's the report:  http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/surface_temp.pdf

Quote from: woozle on February 10, 2010, 03:52:05 PM
Iwasthere.. You don't own a firearm do you...

does a slingshot count?

Quote from: iwasthere on February 11, 2010, 12:12:05 PM
does a slingshot count?

Nope..  But I'm sure you don't want the government telling what you can and can't have, Do you??

I for one, am a gun toting, god fearing AMERICAN.. The Day they try to take my freedom away is the day the I stand up and fight...

I'm listening to Tim Ryan on the Ron Verb show. I have never in my life heard more uninformed political blathering in my life. I can not wait to debate him.

It was like an infomercial with Verb lobbing softball questions to him. He still couldn't hit one out of the infield, as when he tried to defend his Cap and Trade vote. I could not believe that he actually had the nerve to say that they were going to "give" carbon credits to companies. Translated, that means, "We are going to put limits on your energy use, but we are not going to charge you for them." My God, does he think we are stupid?

Quote from: woozle on February 11, 2010, 01:43:05 PM
Nope..  But I'm sure you don't want the government telling what you can and can't have, Do you??

I for one, am a gun toting, god fearing AMERICAN.. The Day they try to take my freedom away is the day the I stand up and fight...

when did barak say he was going to take away guns from god fearing Americans?

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."

Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Of course Obama wants to take our guns. He's a progressive who has appointed the most radical leftist cabinet in our history, including the most rabid anti-gun Attorney General, Eric Holder.

has the pres presented any legislation to date to congress to pass to support what is being written on this board?

There can be no doubt about Obam's anti gun philosophy, or those of his Cabinet. Please don't make me have to look up all the anti gun quotes attributed to him. He is reluctant to move overtly on this agenda because he know what kind of "firestorm" it would unleash.

so why fret over something that will not happen. we can use our energy solving other problems that are more important to our country financial health.

Yes, you are correct. We certainly have many other things to worry about and work on.

did hell freeze over dan and i agree on something? ;D :o

Below are excerpts from an article explaining just how inefficient and costly wind power is. It truly is a hoax perpetuated solely to push a political agenda. Also provided is a link to the full article. It's not too late to back America away from this scam, and to save American industry and jobs. It actually makes the case that wind power sometimes result in more CO2 emmissions.

"As more wind turbines are commissioned, more coal plants have to be available to run at short notice to replace the lost energy when the wind doesn't blow. In order to do this, the coal plant has to be running at below its maximum and most efficient rating which causes more carbon dioxide per megawatt hour than if it ran at full load. In the extreme, the coal plant has to be in a condition known as hot standby. This is when the boilers are kept hot and ready to run immediately. In this condition energy is being consumed with no power output."

"A cold coal fired power station takes anything up to 36 hours to start. If there is forecast to be insufficient wind power in 36 hours time a coal plant will be given an instruction to start, but if the forecast is wrong and the wind picks up before then, that instruction may be cancelled. During that time it will have consumed a lot of coal and generated nothing."
http://www.climategate.com/wind-turbines-the-truth

It really doesn't matter who said it if its true does it? I never said the article was written by a scientist. Do you have any "scientific" articles disputing what I posted?

So it's old. Is it true?

As I said in an earlier post. Government sponsored R&D is fine. But our government is going far beyond that. It is disguising wind and solar power's inefficienties by subsidizing it's use. And worse, some State governments are legislating that a percent of the it's power be created by it, knowing that it has yet to make the grade on cost efficiency.

And you are still overlooking the point of my original post which was to say that wind power still has to have a conventional generating source "hot idling" nearby, wasting energy, so power shortages do not occur when the wind stops.

Wind and solar are still far from practical use, and my only concern is that our government doesn't force it's use upon us.

How many times have I pointed out that it is science and not government that must take the lead and the time to find the next best energy source?

Quote from: Steve Novotny on February 24, 2010, 11:47:03 PM
No I'm not. This problem is solved by efficient delivery of the power and the ability to store the power generated.

That's nice Steve. That's like saying crime is solved by all parents instilling the respect of property and life in their children. Are you aware of anyone who has developed a way to store wind generated power?

I am pleased to announce that my candidacy has been endorsed by the "Liberty Committee".

I have been meeting with some of the fine people of this patriotic group for the past few months, and greatly value their decision.

If you are interested, you can read the endorsment here: http://liberty-committee.blogspot.com/

You can also learn about the "Liberty Committee" here: http://www.libertycommittee.com/learnmore.html

That endorsement and 99 cents might buy you a cup of coffee......

My analogy was not a good one, let me be more direct. I pointed out that wind power was not efficient, you responded by saying the problem is solved by efficient delivery and storage of it, which is not much different than had you said, "The problem is solved by solving it." Of course it would be efficient if you could find a better way to deliver and store it, but no one has.

Me pointing out a problem, and you saying that it won't be a problem once it is solved is not much of an answer. The simple fact remains that storing electricity is a problem that has resisted a solution for nearly a hundred years, and until some one discovers a better way to do it, forcing the use of wind and solar power upon the Country does more harm than good.

dan there is a farmer in this valley that is using wind power as on source of energy. he does not have any complaints. the vindy did an article on him this year. this would be a great field trip to see how this works. anyone for a fieldtrip?

Great! I'm all for it. How much did his outfit cost, how long will it last, what kind of maintenance does it need, and what can he power with it?  I wish more people would invest in it, just don't invest "my" money.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on February 28, 2010, 01:38:42 PM
Great! I'm all for it. How much did his outfit cost, how long will it last, what kind of maintenance does it need, and what can he power with it?  I wish more people would invest in it, just don't invest "my" money.

if ask Dennis nicely he will give you the vindy's article date  that gives you all the answers that you need to your questions. :)

Thanks for the advice, but I was just being rhetorical, I already know how much they cost, how long they last, and what kind of maintenance they require.

i still say we should make a field trip out to that windmill farm in the near future.

I'll do you one better. I have a friend who is building his own wind turbine, and you can bet that it will be a good one (he has built his own airplane from scratch) (actually so have I). When it is done I'll post it on here and I'll take anyone to see it.

I have signed the 10th Amendment Pledge. It can be viewed here: http://www.danmoadus.org/

 :) I applaud you Dan.  :)

While I may not agree with you 100% I do agree with you on this issue.

The federal government has totally ignored this amendment and heaped huge debts on states through unfunded mandates.

dan i am for all types of educational field trips. dan have you ever flown your own blt plane?

Yes "iwasthere", I have flown it, but not far. I am self taught, by the "Wilber and Orville" method. Being that it is an "ultralight", there is no requirement for a pilot's license.

will you attempt to fly again>?

Oh yeah. I'll be back flying as soon as this election is over, and I get some free time.

Of course not Steve. I wouldn't be taking office until next Jan.

Dan can start flying May 5th, 2010...the day after Tim Ryan cleans his conservative clock in the Primary!

dan and tim should not pop any champagne corks, there is the JIMBO factor out there lurking around the bushes.

I don't know how many of you are aware of the outrageous incident that occurred in the ballot process for Ohio's Attorney General. If left to stand, it could  jeopardize one of the most fundamental functions of our democracy, that of getting your name on the ballot. I sent an E-mail to Fox News hoping to get some national coverage, as it certainly deserves it. You can read the E-mail on my site. I hope you can help make more people aware of this. It is vital.  http://www.danmoadus.org/

They said he only submitted 700 signatures. He has a receipt from the Secretary of State's office that says he submitted 2,750, and his committee has photo copies of 2,000 of them. Brunner says it doesn't matter. Here is a link to a more detailed explanation.  http://a4cgr.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/02-293/

Dan, why is a Democrat worried about a Republican getting on the ballot????

Guess you really care about the Republicans after all....maybe you're a Democrat in name only? Maybe you truely are a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN!!!!!

Simple, he's a "Tea Party" candidate. I care about "Tea Party" candidates.

We have enough neo-conservatives ruining this country, Dan, we don't need two more...you and him!

Excuse me, but it seems that the Country is currently being run (into the ground) by progressives.

What is needed is something we haven't had in decades; Fiscal Conservatives. And the sad thing is I don't see many out there.

Low taxes for the rich have caused high deficits, severe budget cuts, bubble economies and high unemployment.

Rich people don't "create" jobs when given tax cuts. Rather they invest in Wall Street schemes and off-shore accounts and outsource jobs to China.

Your comments wouldn't be so bad if information to disprove about ninety-five percent of what you say wasn't available, but it is. For instance, all you have to do is go check government figures on tax revenue before the tax cuts, and after the tax cuts, and you will see that it goes up, not down. The deficits have been created by politicians over spending. This isn't even disputable. You also have little understanding of what the stock market is,  much less how it works.

You are either incredibly ignorant or corrupt. I am told you are in education. If so, God help those who you purport to teach.

Dan, your pro-conservative Big business approach to life, liberty, and taxes is what is corrupt and ignorant.

God help us if you ever get elected to anything important. Now I know why Girard is in such a mess....you are on council......Yech!

(http://taxprof.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/revenue20growth.jpg)

Gee, look at that will you.....

Can't be any simpler than that Sarge. But I'll bet it won't phase Dennis.  How about it Dennis, do these numbers tell you anything? Can you deny that tax revenues rose "after" the tax cuts?

It is a safe assumption that the readers of this forum are well aware of the problems facing our Country. It should also be clear that there are competing views on the way forward.

I am running for the 17th Congressional seat because I strongly disagree with how Congressman Tim Ryan is representing us.

Judging by his votes, Congressman Ryan seems to believe that more government control and regulation is the answer. I disagree.

You deserve to hear from both of us. I am challenging Mr. Ryan to a debate. He owes it to his constituents to defend his views and positions.

I will be making this challenge on this, and other forums, talk radio, and by direct E-mail to his office. Stay tuned.

DAN, YOU GOING TO QUOTE SAM ADAMS ALL NIGHT IN A DEBATE?

HELL, TIM WILL MOP THE FLOOR WITH YOU IN A DEBATE......

Dennis, how about giving him a call for me and talk him into debating me. I think he's afraid.

Dennis, while I've got you here, clear up something for me. You must know a lot about the Health Care Bill. For the people who are uninsured; I know Medicaid covers those near or at the poverty level. But what about those who are uninsured and are above the poverty level. At what level does the bill decide that someone above the poverty level should be forced to by insurance? And how does it treat people who don't qualify for Medicaid because they earn too much, but are living from paycheck to paycheck. Who gets forced to buy insurance and who gets it bought for them?

Dan,I don't support THIS health bill......I support single-payer health care for all Ohioans.....

In case anyone's wondering, Tim Ryan is a "yes" vote on this weeks attempt at passing some sort of Health Care Bill. I just got off the phone with his office.

Dan I don't care who's running for office this time around.. If your a new guy on the block you have a better shot than anyone else..

there is the Jimbo factor out there. he had representatives in the st. pat's parade this year.

A quick check of this site  http://maplight.org/us-congress/legislator/444-timothy-ryan  shows that for the last two years Ryan received 82% of his donations from outside the 17^th District. Predominantly, he receives the bulk of his contributions from Attorneys, lobbyists, and Unions. Is it surprising that he doesn't feel the need to respond to 17^th District voters?

dm are you going to debate tr in the near future?

dan rivers annouced that EVERYONE that is running for an office to call the radio station to submit thier names for open political debate at the sports grill. the number is 3309650057.

Thanks "iwasthere", I'm aware of the event and will be participating.
And Steve. To answer your question. I do think spending $25 million dollars to help a private business, not to mention a foreign private business is unconstitutional. Judging by your question, apparently you think that it is. So perhaps you will be kind enough to cite the consitutional provision that allows our government to spend taxpayers dollars on such a project.

Do you actually believe that the money for site prep would have been a deal breaker? Can you imagine a company ready to embark on a $957 million dollar project abandoning it because the government won't give it $25 million dollars? It is more likely that they almost balked at the project because our Congressman voted for the Cap and Trade legislation. I hope you noticed that they didn't go ahead until it looked as though the business killing legislation would not pass the Senate.

Additionally, if the project results in 400 jobs as touted, it means that each job cost the taxpayer $50,000.  What about all the businesses that employ the quarter million other people in the valley. Do you think some of them would like the chance to create jobs at $50,000 a pop? I have a body shop, and have often thought about adding a truck painting booth onto my building. It would cost approximately $300,000. Do you think I could get the same deal as the French company? I would hire six people.

Hey Steve. Just what does it mean when you say there were $25 million dollars worth of "bureaucratic obstructions and uncertainties"?  It took $25 million dollars to clear up "bureaucratic uncertainties"?

And thanks for providing me all the "expert" analysis showing me that the Cap and Trade legislation would benefit the gas industry.  Actually, I never commented on it because I thought maybe you were trying to make a joke. Let me sum it up for the folks so they won't have to bother reading it. Steve's "expert" analysis article said that there will be renewed interest in drilling for natural gas, because the Cap and Trade legislation will make using coal so much more expensive. You see, at this time no one is doing much drilling for natural gas because, as the article points out, there is a glut of it, and coal is so cheap. So Steve's great idea, and Tim Ryan's as well, is to make coal more expensive forcing people into using more gas, thus having to drill for it.

Actually Ryan and his friends really don't want us using gas either, so they plan on making it far more expensive also. They really want us living like Amish.

Oh, and here's Ryan's latest pitch on the Cap and Trade. He's now telling us that the legislation has been made better by, get this, instead of making industry "buy" carbon credits, the Government is now going to give them to industry. Let me translate that for Steve. "Instead of charging you to limit your energy usage, the Government is going to limit your energy usage for free." Can these people get any crazier?

You would be very surprised if you knew just how much I know about the V&M project. Suffice it to say I don't need to know any more.

Amazing,  all this hyperbole and gum flapping, "the emperor has no clothes!"  We've done more work accidentally than most here intentionally.

This past Tuesday, April 6^th, Tim Ryan was given nearly three hours of air time on the Ron Verb show. Anyone who listens even a little to Verb, knows that he shamelessly promotes Tim Ryan. I called Dan Rivers' show, and while on the air, demanded equal air time. Rivers said that Ryan's use of the Station did not fall under the Equal Time rule because he is an incumbent Congressman. I explained to Rivers that the rule only grants four exceptions, and none of them was, "He's an incumbent Congressman". Below is the rule. Judge for yourself:

315. Candidates for public office
(a) Equal opportunities requirement; censorship prohibition; allowance of station use; news appearances exception; public interest; public issues discussion opportunities
If any licensee shall permit any person who is a legally qualified candidate for any public office to use a broadcasting station, he shall afford equal opportunities to all other such candidates for that office in the use of such broadcasting station: Provided, That such licensee shall have no power of censorship over the material broadcast under the provisions of this section. No obligation is imposed under this subsection upon any licensee to allow the use of its station by any such candidate. Appearance by a legally qualified candidate on any—
(1) bona fide newscast,
(2) bona fide news interview,
(3) bona fide news documentary (if the appearance of the candidate is incidental to the presentation of the subject or subjects covered by the news documentary), or
(4) on-the-spot coverage of bona fide news events (including but not limited to political conventions and activities incidental thereto),
shall not be deemed to be use of a broadcasting station within the meaning of this subsection. Nothing in the foregoing sentence shall be construed as relieving broadcasters, in connection with the presentation of newscasts, news interviews, news documentaries, and on-the-spot coverage of news events, from the obligation imposed upon them under this chapter to operate in the public interest and to afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views on issues of public importance.

Rivers said that the final decision was up to Mr. Kelly, the station manager. I called Mr. Kelly, and he was very uncooperative, insisting that the Ryan broadcast fell under one of the exceptions. I explained that the broadcast wasn't a "news interview" in that Verb didn't interview Ryan. He was more of an advocate. Verb and Ryan actually were "tag teaming" callers who disagreed with the Congressman, and once played a pre-prepared sound bite to buttress Ryan's position.

I also said to Mr. Kelly, that even if he was correct and there wasn't any validity to my claim that I was entitled to equal time, one would think that the station would be glad to provide the public both view points on important subjects.

When Mr. Kelly would not budge from his position, I informed him that I would file a complaint with the FCC, and that's where it now stands.

It would even make a little sense if the station was overloaded with worthwhile broadcasts, but today Dan Rivers spent time discussing the lesbian high school student who wanted to bring her girlfriend to the prom, and the "End of the world" theories of Nostradamus. I was astounded.

As I said, I intend to follow through on this issue, as I think it is crucial that radio stations, which use the public airways, show some fairness and civic responsibility in providing to the public all the important information needed to make wise decisions concerning elections.

If you agree that this issue is important to Democracy, I hope you will take the time to express your concern to Mr. Kelly. His direct line is: 330-729-2500. Thank you.

as i writting this response i am talking to mr kelly and he said, dm is a selfsering individual who only gave have of the story to this event. mr kelly told me dm was invited to have his views know on April 21st at the ytown sports grill from 6-8pm. mr kelly said ryan did not do any campaigning on ron verb's show.

Now, which conservatives out there still do not believe we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine to radio?

Regarding equal time, Since Ryan was on a talk-show, it is considered a bona-fide news interview show, thus exempt from equal time.....

Sorry Dennis, talk shows occasionally do interview guests, but that doesn't mean that Ryan's broadcast was one. Verb wasn't interviewing Ryan. In fact he made much of the fact that they were viewing it as a "Town Hall" event. Which is fine by me if they want to let Ryan use their broadcast facility for an event, but the law requires they provide equal treatment to other candidates.

Town hall events are campaign events, and you see them all the time during campaigns, and campaign events are not "news interviews".
Any how Dennis, we'll let the FCC be the judge of that. And by the way. You shouldn't confuse the Fairness Doctrine with the Equal time rule. The equal time rule is a current law. The Fairness Doctrine was  a law at one time, but  was abolished in 1987.

And to "Iwasthere". Mr. Kelly did say to me that I could talk at the Sports grille,  but I said to him that if he thinks I'll settle for three minutes at some bar with twenty other candidates while he provides 3 hours of free broadcast time to Ryan, he must be a little crazy. 

Dan: I worked in radio broadcasting for 18 years.....I know the differance between the Fairness Doctrine and Equal time....so don't lecture me.

You will lose your "case" with the FCC.......I know the rules and law.....you are toast.......like your campaign to unseat Ryan.....

Hey Dennis, you brought up the Fairness Doctrine in reference to my beef with WKBN, not me. Just what did it have to do with my post? Maybe you do need "lectured".

Again Dan, you show how stupid and clueless you are to areas outside your little world. Don't lecture me regarding Radio Broadcasting History and Law....

Stick to making sure the garbage gets picked up in Girard....that's the extent of your political powers......

So typical of you Dennis. When you get "schooled" and can't come up with a decent response, you fall back to name calling, and demeaning comments.

Great news by the way. I just received a letter from the Ohio Right to Life PAC notifying me that they have chosen to endorse me in the upcoming Primary Election. If I'm not mistaken, this is the group that used to endorse Ryan before he turned pro-choice.

Dan, you didn't school me, old man......


your endorsement and 99 cents will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's......

Dan...your 15 minutes of fame are up after May 4th.....

Now Dan,
Listen well to Dennis; after all he knows what he's talking about when it comes to losing a campaign.

dan did pat kelly say he was going to give you three minutes with tim ryan or is that is your assumption on your part. i have attended those debates. the candidates have more then three minutes to dispute thier cause. dr and verb gives each candidate three minutes to talk about their platform then it is a twenty minutes of q/a from the audience.

"Iwasthere", His name is Bill Kelly, and no he didn't say anything about the format. He was just trying to placate me by saying I would have my chance the sports bar. I assumed it would be three minutes. While Ryan got three hours of air time. By the way. I sent a certified letter to him today saying that I would file a formal complaint with the FCC if he did not fulfill his obligation. I'll keep you posted.

dan there are other political forums coming up in the few weeks. did you receive notices from Union Baptist Church on the northside and New Bethal Church on the southside? i strongly suggest you contact these two churches because they have debates among the candidates that knocks the socks off the office seekers. these debates ask hard hitting questions that seperates the novices from the professionals. dan if you want to be taken seriously as candidate you must form an election committee that keeps you inform  on all the debates in the mahoning valley.  as for wkbn i strongly suggest that you take up the offer from bill kelly. if you do not, you must stop your bellyaching about being treated fairly as a serious congressional canditate.

Thanks for all your concern, but I know about these events and I will be at the New Bethal Baptist Church next Monday and at the Sports Grille on the 21rst. That has nothing to do however, with WKBN's refusal to grant me equal time. By the way, I did make my request formal by certified mail two days ago and received a final refusal by Mr. Kelly in an e-mail today. I will be filing a formal complaint with the FCC shortly.

Personally, I am not angry at Mr. Kelly and all the good folks at the station, but must pursue the issue out of principle, because it is important that those who are permitted to use the public airwaves be reminded occasionally that they have an obligation to the public to rise above their personal preferences or business interests.

Remarks regarding the Tribune's endorsement of my opponent.

Having been involved with politics for many years, I tried to respect the adage that you don't argue with people who buy their ink by the barrel and their paper by the bale, but I must take the Tribune to task for their endorsement of my opponent Tim Ryan. I also realize that my remarks may be viewed as sour grapes, but so be it.

First, the Tribune editors make much of Ryan's role in many of the developments in the District such as the Community College. Does anyone think that these projects are a result of his "vision"? It should be common knowledge that most politicians are deluged with ideas for projects, many of them worthwhile. It is simply a matter of deciding which to support and which to reject. Does the Tribune editorial board think that there exists a Congressman who can not point to projects such as these? It wouldn't surprise me to see a green job incubator in every District in the country.

Which brings to mind my other point:  I've read countless editorials in the Tribune railing against Cap and Trade, Card Check, bank bailouts, and stimulus spending. Yet, they endorse the candidate that they admit votes for these things. Inexplicably, they add, "Ryan's voting record on many national issues, we believe, is out of touch with constituents and not in the best interests of the nation."

I have seen people endorsed who, I believe, voted against the best interest of the country many times; but this is the first time I have seen someone endorsed by the very people decrying the bad votes.

While warning about the Federal overspending that has caused the virtual collapse of our country the editors overlook the fact that the very projects that they credit Ryan with, were paid for with borrowed money, thus adding to our debt.

They close their endorsement with this shameful statement, "His track record for helping his district outweighs his questionable voting record on national topics." An admission that even if his votes harm our country, they don't care as long as he brings home the "Pork".

How can any one have any faith in the Tribune's opinion the next time they complain about the bankrupting of America.

Boo Hoo......you ain't gettin the Vindy Endorsement either.....or any paper..........your 15 minutes of fame end in 2 weeks.....

Dan, watched you at tonight's debate at the church....you did as well as Kelly Pavlik did Saturday night.....

Both Elaine and Tim wiped the mat with you.....ha ha ha

Where were you hiding Dennis? Because you sure didn't have the nerve to say that to my face. I think it was Ryan who was bleeding from both eyes. It was taped Dennis, but I'll bet no one will dare let it be shown.

You mentioned cutting the dept. of education and energy, but I never heard you mention cutting the salary of members of congress or cutting
members health care or pension....I guess you want those perks and pork.....

Please Dan, Ryan made you look like an out-of-touch tea party fanatic.....

Like I said Dennis, the forum was taped. So why don't you see if you can have it put on Youtube so everyone can see for themselves. But you won't; and you can be sure that Ryan won't, and you know why, don't you?

Cutting the perks, retirement, and pay of Congress would be just fine with me, but people who make statements like that just show how little comprehension they have of the scope of the problem with the federal government. You could reduce the salaries of all 535 legislators to zero and it wouldn't have much of an impact because the government still employs over 2,000,000 others, not counting the military.

I'll relate the illustration I gave to the assembly last night to give a better idea of just how out of control our government is.
I told them that if you could have stood on a cliff on the day Jesus was born, and threw a twenty dollar bill over the edge every second from that day until today; you would still have another 500 years before you threw the $1.6 trillion dollars deficit our country is projecting for just this year. Keep in mind now, that isn't how much money they will spend this year. That is how much more they will spend than they take in.

Hey Dennis, how'd you like it when they asked me if I would cut Medicare, and I pointed to Ryan and said, "He already did!" In the so called Health Care Reform bill.

Yes Dennis, a good time was had by all. Well, maybe not Ryan.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on April 19, 2010, 10:10:09 PM
Where were you hiding Dennis? Because you sure didn't have the nerve to say that to my face. I think it was Ryan who was bleeding from both eyes. It was taped Dennis, but I'll bet no one will dare let it be shown.

dan, yes, ryan was bleeding from both eyes but you are not responsible for his bloodshot eyes. elaine was the one making ryan look like a professional politician. if you do remember the applause was the loudest from crowd when elaine was finished speaking. the applause was mute for you and ryan. i would suggest to the bloggers on this blog to watch the entire evening on www.whatshappening.com.

No surprise there. I didn't say I "won" the crowd. Far from it. My comments elicited plenty of moans. Probably would have been "boos" had the good folks there not have been so polite.

I knew going in that my views would not be well recieved. It was a "progressive" crowd. I do believe though, that I did far better than Ryan or Elaine would have done at a Tea Party event.

Hey "Iwasthere", youwerethere?

Great read from Robert Henricksen over on MVRed.com:
http://mvred.com/index.php/archives/local/280-coming-together

It was reported today that General Motors has paid back the $6.7 billion loan given to it by our government, and will pay back the $43 billion balance later this year with a public stock offering. My question is. What will be done with this money? There was never an announcement about any spending being cut to provide the money when it was given to GM, and we know that the country finished last year with a big deficit, so there wasn't any extra money available. The money that was used to bail out the auto company was either printed, or borrowed. Shouldn't it be destroyed if it was printed, or paid back to the lender if borrowed?

Quote from: Dan Moadus on April 20, 2010, 02:22:56 PM
Hey "Iwasthere", youwerethere?

dm iwasthere was in attendance. rr and i were sitting next to each other eating a pizza pie together.  ;D the audience was stunned that you wanted to to eliminate the dept of education thus putting the state's responsibility to provide education to its residents. dm you were unclear with your plans with paying for education in this country. you and all candidates must be clear on your plans with our social woes without being vague. i will see you next monday for the debate at union bapist church. rr and sarge should attend to give you moral support. Elaine would hold her own with the tea baggers at their event.

Actually, I'm kind of stunned that anyone would be stunned at my comment. What good is the department of education?  Why on Earth do we tolerate bureaucrats from Washington telling us how to educate our children?  How would I fund education you ask? How do you fund it now? We could use the same money were using now, and more. After abolishing the Department we could use the money that we are now "wasting" on it.

If the editors of both the Vindicator and the Tribune ever wonder about why newspaper readership is in decline, and why people are turning to other sources for news and opinion, they needn't look any further than their respective organizations.

As a long time area politician who has run in eleven elections (not fifteen as mistakenly claimed by David Skolnic), I have been both endorsed and passed over by both papers. Possessing nothing more than "standard issue sensitivities", I of course marveled at their insight when endorsed and was appalled at their lack of judgment when passed over, so perhaps the criticism I am about to offer will be just viewed as sour grapes. So be it.

What can not be glossed over however is the fact that both papers displayed a level of parochialism that one would not expect from people who expect their customers (readers) to accept their viewpoints on important national issues. Both papers in the past have railed against "pork" and "earmarks", but issued their endorsements based on how much money Tim Ryan has brought to the district.

After years of writing editorials elevating reckless government spending almost to the level of crime, the vindicator incredibly says that they endorse Ryan without reservation because, "His fingerprints are on just about every project in the 17th District." They omitted the word "spending" before project.

And the Tribune actually had the nerve to endorse Ryan after saying this. "His damaging votes on such important national issues such as the bank bailouts, Cap and Trade, Health care, and the so called Employee Free Choice Act, are out of touch with his constituents, and not in the national interest."

You can draw your own conclusion, but I think the editorial boards of both papers are cowards. They give the appearance that they are endorsing Tim Ryan because they think he will win, and they don't want to risk having less access after the election.

what is your formula to establish a concise and clear model on your education platform concerning fair and equal funding of education for ohioans?

Primary funding for education in Ohio is a state issue. You might check with JD Williams or Sean O'brien.

 Dan......seriously, how would you adequately fund education IF IT WERE a federal responsibility?????? 

I would abolish the Federal Department of Education, take their entire budget and add it to the current federal spending on education then simply send it to the states and allow them to use it as they see fit.  BTW, it was nice to meet you in person tonight. 

Dan, it was nice to meet you as well....weather report from Hell...it did freeze over last night......Irishbobcat met Dan Moadus in the flesh and no fists flew....it was a nice polite chat..... The scary liberal met the scary conservative......and all is well......the sun came up this morning.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on April 26, 2010, 10:15:15 PM
I would abolish the Federal Department of Education, take their entire budget and add it to the current federal spending on education then simply send it to the states and allow them to use it as they see fit.  BTW, it was nice to meet you in person tonight.

you would allow the states to spend it on education as they see it without any federal guidelines?

Irish and Dan

Hell didn't freeze over but we are having a freeze warning in the Mahoning Valley for tonight.

;D

Quote from: iwasthere on April 27, 2010, 02:12:35 PM
you would allow the states to spend it on education as they see it without any federal guidelines?

Why on Earth would anyone want Federal guidelines?

You can go to my web site to hear the radio ad that I am currently running by clicking here:  http://www.danmoadus.org/

Very Good Dan. Best of luck to you on Tuesday.

Thank you Sarge.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on April 27, 2010, 09:47:11 PM
Why on Earth would anyone want Federal guidelines?

look at the mess that the charter schools has bestowed upon the Ohioans. do not you think the federal government should have a say on these incompetent schools.

You don't think you are capable of deciding whether or not a school is bad yourself?

do you agree with charter schools as an choice for k-12 education knowing their past history in Ohio?

I don't care about their history in Ohio. I would only care about the one my children went to, and I would be intimately involved in it. If I felt my child was not getting an adequate education I would change schools. Pretty simple actually.

I would like to offer my heartfelt thanks to any readers of this thread who voted for me in this election. I viewed this election and the coming election as a fight for the restoration of American values, and I tried to play a small part in it. Obviously, my defeat left me disappointed, but in the overall scheme of things, it was a small matter. The fight goes on. I will stay engaged and continue to play a part in it.

If you live in OH-17, please take the 2-3 minutes to fill out this survey: http://mvred.com/survey/index.php?sid=69543

So far 150+ have responded. Once we hit 300 or so, we'll announce the results on my website. I am striving to hit around the 62-36% margin Obama won over McCain in 2008 in this survey. By doing so, the results would be a bit more accurate, although I understand polls of this nature are unscientific!

Thanks for running Dan! 

dan do not take this as insult this is for all older politicians from all political parties. go into the background and let the younger generation take over running the local, state and federal government. you and others had your time in the government. now, it is time for the next generation to put their footprints on this world.

So sorry to dissapoint you but I have no intention of getting out of politics. In fact I am already planning my next campaign. You must not know much about me, if you thought there was even a remote chance that I wouldn't continue to run.

Quote from: Dan Moadus on May 07, 2010, 04:26:41 PM
So sorry to disappoint you but I have no intention of getting out of politics. In fact I am already planning my next campaign. You must not know much about me, if you thought there was even a remote chance that I wouldn't continue to run.

Dan look at your numbers that were casted for you in the campaign for congress against Tim Ryan.  one must face the facts that they can do more for their cause when working in the background by putting a new fresh face to scene. the public looks at you as an old hat that must be put back on the rack. so, a new hat can be taken off of the political hat rack to attract new and fresh faces and voters to parttake in their civic duty.

I look at issues and political philosophy, not age when choosing who to vote for.

Quote from: iwasthere on May 08, 2010, 12:29:08 PM
Dan look at your numbers that were casted for you in the campaign for congress against Tim Ryan.  one must face the facts that they can do more for their cause when working in the background by putting a new fresh face to scene. the public looks at you as an old hat that must be put back on the rack. so, a new hat can be taken off of the political hat rack to attract new and fresh faces and voters to parttake in their civic duty.

I do hope you are not referring to Tim Ryan when you refer as the "new fresh face".

Our "old" congressman was the ones with the fresh ideas.  Our "young" current congressman is the one practicing the "old style" politics. 

dm, no ryan has no fresh ideas. he votes the way the dem party tells him to vote on an issue. can you give me examples the fresh ideas that JIMBO has in this upcoming  november election. i will give credit to JIMBO he always stuck-up for the little guy whether it was popular or not. I have told his arch supporter, Linda that Jimbo must come to the party with new fresh ideas and how to solve our current economic conditions in this mah valley. we all know that he and the irs have a no love lost relationship between each other that does not cut the ice with me. people loathed the irs since it conception. we as usa residents should have another way of paying the bills for our country. is there any new ideas out there with our public officials in the way of paying the bills for our government?

My support for Trafficant ended on the day, long ago, when I read a complete transcript, which was printed in the Vindicator, (three or four pages long) of a tape made by the FBI of a conversation between Traficant and some mafia chieftain, I forget who. In the transcript, Trafficant, in his own words, promises to protect the mob if elected Sheriff. He also admitted taking thousands of dollars from them.

He has never admitted any wrong doing, and while there are those who believe him, the odds are simply against his complete innocence. While I certainly believe in redemption and rehabilitation, those words are usually associated with repentance, and there is no evidence of it in him. He served his time for his crimes, and is entitled to reenter society, but certainly not as our representative.

In the coming General Election, I will be working for, contributing to, and supporting Jim Graham. Contrast Graham's life story with Trafficant, and tell me how anyone could do otherwise.

dan are  you referring to the meeting when he met with Jimmy Prato at the Calla club which the IRS tried to try him on tax invasion for taking $10,000 without reporting it to the IRS and Jimbo beat the IRS at their own game?

Yes, but if I recall correctly it was much more than $10,000. I also don't think he beat the IRS, he beat the Justice Dept. He admitted taking the money, so he ended up having to pay the tax on it.

Here is a link to Vindy's archives. Here is more than you want to know about Jim Trafficant. Audio tapes, and transcripts of them, and a complete set of new articles. It is an amazing compilation.
http://www.vindy.com/traficant/

Quote from: Dan Moadus on May 12, 2010, 11:46:43 PM
Yes, but if I recall correctly it was much more than $10,000. I also don't think he beat the IRS, he beat the Justice Dept. He admitted taking the money, so he ended up having to pay the tax on it.

yes that is correct. he never was convicted of any crime of bribery on this account. like i said before if everyone that was involved in trafficant's bribery scheme in the past went to jail then he should not run for any political offices but these individuals went on to have successful careers. so crime does pay when involves the government civil servants. ted kennedy served 42 years in the senate even when he allowed his mistress to drown. he never tried called for help to aid HER.  he called his father's vanguard to aid HIM from going to jail. who is the bigger scum?

Who cares which one is the biggest scum? Why elect scum at all?

Quote from: Dan Moadus on May 17, 2010, 02:30:11 PM
Who cares which one is the biggest scum? Why elect scum at all?

trafficant does not have blood on his hands aka teddy kennedy. murder is murder. taking money hurts someone pocketbook.

What does it really say about a man if you have to compare him to a percieved murderer to make him look good?

i am saying whose sin is worst in these two incidents. what would jesus do?