Several weeks ago while I was descending the hill down to Kimmel brook to check on my water supply, I was stopped in my tracks by a Pitt Bull growling with a chain for a collar. The dog was not fearful and stood his ground even when I threw a stone near him to try to get it to move. Many late afternoons from the shrimp ponds I could hear commotion and people cheering down near the projects. Yesterday talking to a very good neighbor of the farm I was told dog fighting is alive and well in the eastside and many dogs are chained to trees in my woods closer to the projects. We truly live in a sad community when the enemy is shrimp and not the respect of animals by the savages.
I saw a dead pitbull along Logan Avenue near GF last week. Obviously it got loose and was run down. I would rather these dogs get run down then to have them attack some unsuspecting person walking down the street. There is no reason to own a pit bull other than to fight it or to use it to attack another human. Its not a pet.
Pit Bulls as a breed are not the problem. It's the owners that raise them for fighting that's the problem.
Petey was a Pit Bull.
They are pets...wonderful loving dogs!! It is the stupid humans that abuse them that are the problem. :'(
A dog breed can be banned from a municipality, but the scum dog owner cannot. Since the "breed" of humans who mistreat pit bulls cannot be legally banned from our city, and those people do not subscribe to the basic tenets of civilized living, then banning the dogs is the next best thing.
Shrimp, did you or anyone call the police and let them know or show them where it is coming from. Since you know the general location you need to call and stay on top of it.
Rick,
I see your reasoning..to a point.
The problem is if/when Pit Bulls are successfully eliminated the scum dog owners will just move on to the next "best for fighting" breed. Then we can ban that breed and keep the cycle going until even "purse dogs" are banned. Then on to cats, I guess.
And we do have a way to ban scum dog owners, at least temporarily, it's called jail.
From time to time stray dogs pass through the Tod Engine Heritage Park. Is it really worth my time to call the Youngstown Police if I see stray dogs? The police dept. did nothing when some of our engine parts were stolen last year (well the did release the thief after he had been caught red handed, so they did do "something"), so I really have no faith in the Youngstown Police Department.
We all get frustrated by some of the actions and reactions of YPD, but in this case if they were told about this dog fighting situation they might just do something, and wouldn't that be a good thing !
Councilman Swierz, Okay I will call the police and inform them what I know if you call the police as a councilman who will have their attention more than I would. I have never had a problem with the YPD so it will not be a problem for me to call them tomorrow.
Wouldn't it be better if Council member Kitchen were also notified , since it is his ward.
LOL , Kitchen opposed the shrimp ponds and drove a small farmer from the eastside. I brought a large architecture firm who designed an aquaculture project on 100 acres of city land and all they got was hyperbole, they are now working with rural farmers. Another loss for the City.
Google Hukaprawnpark in New Zealand and see what this group envisioned, what a shame.
Coucilman, I forgot to tell you, where the dog fighting is going on belongs to Gillams ward and Annie also told me to stop digging ponds in her ward and I have it on my voice mail.
I know the boundaries are funny out that way, but she should want to know about the dog fighting
Why should a city councilperson have any say in how a private individual uses his or her private property? Kitchen and Gilliam should keep their nose out of the business of private landowners and deal with the many problems that are their responsibility.
Rick, I can't believe you mean that. I first took and oath when I went into the U.S. Army, later I took and oath when I joined the Youngstown Fire Dept. Each time I was elected as a council member and President of Council I took and oath to uphold the charter and laws of the city of Youngstown Ohio. That's why they need to worry about what goes on in their ward. Most likely this will be my last post on the site.
As Ron phrased it, it appears as though the shrimp ponds were not wanted by the council members in their wards. It did not sound as if they had concerns that the land was not zoned for aquaculture.
I've never seen what the problem was with the ponds. What could be more natural than a body of water? It makes less of an impact on the neighborhood than land based crop farming: no tractors, no fertilizers, no dust. Why would any Youngstown council member be against this? Its baffling to me.
So you are leaving the forum. Well it was good while it lasted. I appreciated your participation and discussions. Now I guess the last little window that us citizens had to city government is now closing. So sad.
Funny how today's news validates my alarm on animal abuse, I guess dog fighting is not only alive on the eastside but all over the city as well.
Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on August 19, 2010, 11:26:11 PM
Funny how today's news validates my alarm on animal abuse, I guess dog fighting is not only alive on the eastside but all over the city as well.
Who needed validation? I think everyone here believed you, and said you should report it. You implied that you wouldn't report it because council members took issue with your shrimp ponds.
Sorry, what I thought I implied was that the council members have only shown me ineptness, therefore notifying them would be a waste of time.
Quote from: Youngstownshrimp on August 21, 2010, 11:10:47 PM
Sorry, what I thought I implied was that the council members have only shown me ineptness, therefore notifying them would be a waste of time.
My house was recently broken into. The police arrived quickly, but I saw no value in their service after that. (I only received a little yellow piece of paper, a couple phone calls, and nothing else.) But, that doesn't mean I'm not going to call the police the next time I see a law being broken.