Americans WANT Health Care Reform!!!!!

[irishbobcat]

FDR wrote :" There is little possibility of argument over the idea that a healthy people is THE MOST VALUABLE ASSET a state can have. IT TRANSCENDS IN IMPORTANCE ALL MATERIAL WEALTH."

"New instructions from the people through the legistlatures in the form of new laws...are the direct product of public opinion."

Public Opinion now believes in Universal Health Care. It's time has come.

Go wage another war, Sarge.

[Towntalk]

Universal Health Care HAS been introduced into the U.S. House of Representatives.


Universal Health Care


H.R. 676, "The United States National Health Care Act,"
Or "Expanded & Improved Medicare For All"
Introduced by Rep.  John Conyers, Jr.

http://conyers.house.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Home&Issue_id=063b74a4-19b9-b4b1-126b-f67f60e05f8c


The goal of the legislation is to ensure that all Americans will have access, guaranteed by law, to the highest quality and most cost effective health care services regardless of their employment, income or health care status. In short, health care becomes a human right. With 47 million uninsured Americans, and another 50 million who are underinsured, the time has come to change our inefficient and costly fragmented non-system of health care.

It becomes a "human Right" because of an act of Congress, not because of the Constitution.

[Towntalk]

Article I Section 8 enumerates the legislative powers. The powers listed and all other powers are made the exclusive responsibility of the legislative branch:The Congress shall have power... To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.


No one is disputing that Congress has the authority to create universal health care just as it did Social Security and Medicare or for that matter the Civil Rights legislation. What is in dispute is the theory that universal health care is a Constitutional right specifically enumerated in the body of the Constitution.

What you are citing are the powers of Congress, and Congress has been struggling with the problem since the Presidency of LBJ.

SEE: Article 1 Section 8. Powers of Congress

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/26.html#1

[sfc_oliver]

Out of context, I do not believe they are talking about the General welfare of the Population here, but the General welfare of the Country.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

[irishbobcat]

For all you folks looking for answers in the Constitution.....

Article One, Section 8: The Congress shall have power to... provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States;... To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers.

For the general welfare of it's people///////We can have Single-Payer Universal
Health Care..........

Please remember to defend the Constitution, Folks......

[Why?Town]

Actually, Medical Mutual insurance is the suck. I had it for 19 years, didn't realize how bad it was until we switched to Blue Cross/ Blue Shield last year.

I will say that M-M is better than what I'll have next month....possibly nothing.

[sfc_oliver]

Funny, I've been in the St Elizabeth emergency room at least 15 times the last 10 years, and not once did anyone on the Hospital staff ever announce to anyone else what Health insurance I or the person I was with had.

That Medical Mutual Plus must be some really special insurance.

[iwasthere]

here is my experience with the medical profession in this town. i had a blood clot that was caused by an extended rib pressing against my vein. i was checking into saint Elizabeth's hospital and the admission clerk was calling me by hey you, you are going to wheel yourself to your own room with an old rickety wheelchair from the war between the states. her attitude change when she put my insurance card through the machine after that it was Mr. ....... what can we do for you Mr......, i will the orderly wheel you to your room with this motorized wheelchair. i had three orderlies wheeling me to my room before that the head orderly announced to the other two orderlies that this IS Mr........ everyone, HE HAS MEDICAL MUTUAL PLUS. the insurance card changed everything with my superb medicare that was given to me by the doctors and medical staff due to my excellent healthcare benefits from my job. is that fair? what would happen if i did not have Medical Mutual PLUS? i would be either dead,maimed or on the government dole due to the lack or non existence of medical benefits. i told the two doctors on my case, one replied was that they(the hospital and the medical staff)was going to be paid. is this what the colonies fought for out right medical discrimination for the insured and the uninsured in the united states. i cringed at some of these coldhearted replies from the neo cons on this board (whoops is that name calling). i rather go to bed everynight with a penny in my pocket after a i cash my paycheck that i know that everyone has good provided healthcare aka senators and congressman have and that all my basic needs were met from paycheck to paycheck. my entire bill for out of pocket expense was five hundred dollars in those nine months during bloodclot ordeal. my drug bill for the eight days in st. e's was $18,000 that is one bill, that does not include room and board, multi xrays, painkillers and other non/medical expenses. if, i had to pay this out of my pocket i would be still paying for it to this day. is this fair? i rather be called a socialist,Marxist and LIBERAL than be called callous individual. 

[irishbobcat]

If Congress won't establish Universal Health Care......

then hold your horses, because individual states will......

Like Single-Payer Health Care here in Ohio......

http://www.spanohio.org/

Americans want it, and it's coming....and if the Declaration of Independence means nothing to you, why bring up the Federalist Papers?

[sfc_oliver]

First off,  I did not question your false statement that Health care is a right.

Second we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence, but by the Constitution of the United States.

Now since you directed your answer to me instead of the person who asked the question I have to wonder why?

Do not play with me, I do not do well with stupidity.

[Towntalk]

U.S. Courts must rule based on established law and the Constitution, not the Declaration of Independence.

If Congress establishes universal health care as they did Social Security and Medicare that's a whole new ball game.

Because Congress did create Medicade, it can be said that health care is a right, but a limited one.

[irishbobcat]

The Declaration of Independence discusses the problem of government in terms of a contract. Government is a contract where rulers were accorded power and the people consented to that power on consideration that they had been accorded certain rights.

New conditions impose new requirements upon government and those who conduct government.

therefore, in these troubled times, Health Care is a right......

You are not against the Declaration of Independence are you, Sarge?

And Y-town, tell me about how good
conservative values worked in the past in America. Read one of your high school history books and tell me how Hoover helped this country from 1929 to 1933.

[Towntalk]

Where in the U.S. Constitution or the Federalist Papers, does it enumerate "universal health care" as a "right"?

[sfc_oliver]

Agreed Ytown

[irishbobcat]

Health Care is a right........not just for those who can afford it.....

Every other western democracy has guaranteed health care except the good old USA.....because the insurance companies and HMO's pump enough lobbyist
dollars into politicians pockets to keep the poor system we have intact today and tomorrow....