Well I am telling you right now I am endorsing Williams. I'd have to think the Mayor and most of City Hall will vote for him as well.
I mean Hagan was the only democrat who said they wouldn't cut the income tax. So I wonder where he will take money away. I think he'll be layin off a lotta people downtown but what do I know.
They said if only 1 of the candidates Like Fortune and/or Patton would've dropped out Bush most likely would have won.
I mean I heard that Jay Williams cut his 6 figure or a lot more than his $100,000+ job to become CDA Chief. That is what I call dedication.
I hope you all join me in endorsing Jay Williams for Mayor. And I will make sure the press here's this one.
After listening to both candidates speak and evaluating aspects of both candidates' philosophies and plans, I can say who'll get my vote. Make YOUR decision based on your own judgement, but from what I've seen, Jay Williams will make decisions in the best interest of Youngstown, rather than for his own personal political gain.
Hagan's not a bad guy, but a career politican with a job to gain out of the mayoral seat. Williams gave up his job as vice president of a bank to become CDA director, and he even gave that up to devote his time to campaigning for mayor. He's devoted to the people of our community and I think a lot of people recognize that.
Hagan has commented on the fact that Williams is inexperienced in politics, as if this is a disadvantage. Well, coming from a teenage voter who has seen nothing but corruption in politics since I was a little kid, I see that as a GREAT advantage. We've seen how far politicians have brought us: virtually nowhere. Do you think McKelvey endorsed Bush with our best interests at hear heart? And they all try to take credit for any good that comes out of their underhanded, illegal, and selfish methods. All of you probably have more examples than -I- do of corruption in local government.
I want someone in office who I can safely say is not jaded by years of political experience: someone with new and innovative ideas. I want someone with an honest plan: The 2010 Plan: The plan that -WE- created. I want a person with the knowledge and the skills to guide our city and our community along the lines that WE have put forth. And that, I trust Jay Williams to do. He has devoted his time as CDA director to overseeing the 2010 Plan's development and acted quite effiecently as its spokesperson. When asked what his plans as mayor would be by reporters, the first thing he did was point to his 2010 pin and say "Implementation".
A leader can't be expected to solve all our problems, but to guide us and create an environment where we, the people, can resolve our problems. Jay Williams realizes this and doesn't treat people as if they were too stupid to realize it, too.
I want a mayor I can trust to listen with an open mind, and listen to me. I want an innovative mayor who will try new and effective methods of improving our quality of life. Even if I don't agree with Jay Williams on every issue, I can trust that he will act with Youngstown's best interests at heart. I want a mayor who I can communicate with personally and who will speak to me honestly. I want a leader who will represent us as a whole: who will evaluate all perspectives of an issue instead of simply taking a stand based on their own prejudices.
Of all the things I want in a mayor, Jay Williams fits the closest, from what I've heard and seen. Call me idealistic, call me nieve. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, and what more can I expect but to be in this terribly pessimistic world I've been raised in?
Pessimism, in any form I've ever seen, only hinders action. There's a big difference between being realistic and being pessimistic. A realistic person sees and recognizes problems and flaws. A pessimistic person dwells on problems and flaws and sees no solution, therefore acceping and excusing his or her own lack of activity to solve them.
We've had enough pessimism in the Mahoning Valley to make Hell freeze over from the coldness of our inactivity and apathy. It's time for a change. I see Jay Williams as mayor a major step in the right direction.
City employees are so scared Hagan will win they are SUCKIN UP To him at the St. Christine's Fest...
AWFUL..
Bob Bush=GONE
Fire Chief=GONE
50% OF THE CURRENT CITY EMPLOYEES= GONE
GONE UNDER HAGAN!
Jay For Mayor
Why would Hagan get rid of city employees?
he has made promises TRUST ME!
the cops and a few others city employees were suckin up to Hagan at the st. christine's festival.
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AWFUL!
Williams has the edge and will win you watch.
THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE - SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW A CITY SHOULD BE RUN -
Dear Moloch,
During last May's primary election, we tried posting questions for the mayoral candidates hoping they would respond and establish an internet dialogue with the voters on this message board. Candidate John Swierz was the only one to respond. Do you know if Maggy Lorenzi would take the time to participate if we pose questions for the November election?
Jay
THIS QUESTION SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO HER - NOT I
I was hoping you knew her. Sorry!
I RETRIEVED HER E-MAIL FOR YOU FROM HER WEB SITE - MAGGY@MAGGY4MAYOR.COM
SO YOU COULD EXTEND YOUR INVITATION ;)
The city has a candidate w/o your special interests who know how to run a city...and a bank... and the CDA.
[size=20]JAY[/size]
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THREE ANSWER QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC - I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE A DEBATE - THEN EVERYONE WILL KNOW WHO CAN THINK AND SPEAK AND WHO READS ITEMS PREPARED FOR THEM ON AN INDEX CARD
SHE GOT NO SHOT.
If she were smart when she finds out she has no shot she'd help out her fellow independent and get him a victory.
from her website I would NOT want her as my mayor. NO SHOT
WHAT IS NICE ABOUT LIVING IN A FREE SOCIETY IS EVERYONE HAS A SHOT AT BEING ANYTHING IF THEY PUT ENOUGH EFFORT INTO IT - A LOT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER ;D
YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO FACE THE FACT BUT IT IS TRUE - IT MIGHT NOT BE HUGE BUT .....
SHE HAS A SHOT !!!!!
I BET SHE WINS THE DEBATES TOO!
UNLESS PEOPLE ARE TOO SCARED TO INCLUDE HER
MOLUCH if I could meet you I'd bet 1000 bucks on the spot she'd lose.
SHE HAS NO SHOT!
JAY FOR MAYOR!
BETTING IS A WASTE OF MONEY AND IS ILLEGLE - DO YOU MAKE IT A HABIT OF DOING WASTEFUL AND ILLEGLE THINGS? WOW -I FEEL LIKE I AM TALKING TO JAY WILLIAMS HIMSELF!
SHE HAS A SHOT!
You a jerk for comparing my betting to JAY.
Why say that? Because you have nothing at all against JAY.
A man who has QUIT 2 6 FIGURE JOBS.... WHY? Because he loved Youngstown.
So stop all this crap that she has a shot. She has no shot. Its Jay vs. Hagan. You won't get anymore than 5% of the vote and you know it.
NO SHOT.
And you think she can win a debate? ROFLMFAO. Jay will murder anyone anytime anywhere. Even that jackass Hagan will too.
NO SHOT
JAY FOR MAYOR
I DON'T THINK FIXING IT SO YOUR WHOLE STREET IS EXEMPT FROM PAYING TAXES IS HELPING THE COMMUNITY - THERE ARE LEGAL WAYS TO DO THINGS AND THERE ARE ILLEGAL WAYS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO POP OUT OF THE CLOSET OR WHEN ;D
IF JAY WILLIAMS LOVES THIS COMMUNITY YOU TELL ME -
WHAT HAS HE DONE - BEFORE HE DECIDED TO RUN FOR MAYOR -TO BENIFIT ANYONE OR ANYTHING IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT DID NOT DIRECLY OR INDIRECLY PUT A DIME IN HIS POCKET !
AND MAYBE HE QUIT HIS 2 - 6 FIGURE JOBS BECAUSE HE WILL "MAKE" MORE AS MAYOR
AS FAR AS WINNING THE DEBATE - I HAVE HEARD MAGGY SPEAK - JAY AND HAGAN ARE IN TROUBLE
IT IS ALSO A SHAME THAT YOU CAN NOT EXPRESS YOURSELF WITHOUT CALLING PEOPLE NAMES, EVEN AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED NOT TO. THAT IS A SIGN OF INSECURITY .YOU SEEM TO BE THREATENED BY WOMEN TOO - YOU MAY WANT TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP FOR YOUR PROBLEMS.
I heard Maggy Lorenzi on the Louie Free Show this morning. She was very knowledgeable and made some good points when discussing the history of the land purchase for the convocation center.
I HAVE HEARD HER TALK ON A FEW OCCASIONS - THAT WOMAN IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND DOES HER HOMEWORK.
[size=30]NO SHOT..... JAY FOR MAYOR[/size]
And Jay c-mon. You think anyone in the city with the exception of a bakers dozen even care 1 lousy bit about the history of the land purchase of that land? Hell No.
AS EACH INDISCRETION IS REVEALED HER CHANCES GROW
WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE WAITING TO BE DISCOVERED-
SHE HAS A SHOT! ;D
you and i both know she will not become mayor!
JAY
THE ONLY VOTE ANYONE CAN BE SURE OF IS THE ONE THEY PLACE THEMSELVES - PEOPLE CAN SAY THEY ARE FOR EXAMPLE - JAY- BUT WHEN THEY GET IN THE BOOTH THEY PICK FOR EXAMPLE -MAGGY. -THAT IS WHY WE VOTE AND THEY JUST DON'T ELLECT PEOPLE FROM ASSUMING WHO WILL WIN.
SHE IS HAVING AN EFFECT JUST RUNNING -
IMAGINE WHAT SHE WILL DO WHEN ELECTED!
I am not thinkin about then because she won't make it that far. The money raised by JAY and HAGAN will kill any shot of her winning and force her to drop out.
NO FREAKIN SHOT!
AH YES, MONEY .... THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER !
THE DETERMINING FACTOR OF WHO "MAKES IT" TO NOVEMBER IS WHAT OTHER WRONG DOINGS SHE FINDS AND WHO IS DOING THEM - SHE HAS ALREADY EXPOSED THE "PROBLEMS" WITH THE LAND PURCHASE AND THERE IS THE TAX EXEMPT STREET ISSUE - IT IS STILL EARLY TOO - WHAT ELSE DOES SHE KNOW ? - WHAT IS OUT THERE THAT SHE CAN DISCOVER ?
SHE HAS A SHOT!
if you wanna start a thread on her go ahead because i specifically called this topic: Who Will You Endorse? Hagan or Williams? No where did I put Maggy's Muffins there.
I TAKE THAT AS A WIN! ;D
YOU CAN TRY AND EXCLUDE HER BUT YOU WON'T SUCCEED!
SHE WILL BE THERE TILL THE END!
SHE WILL BE A FORCE TO RECKON WITH!!!!!
take it as a win all you want.
i got an airport website to run and build and i guess my thinkin of jay winnin doesnt get through your mind even tho she got NO SHOT
I WORK 48 HOURS A WEEK AND HAVE 13 ONCE ABUSED ANIMALS TO TAKE CARE OF - BUT I MAKE TIME FOR IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE THE MAYORS RACE. SO CONVINCE ME. TELL ME WHAT HE HAS DONE TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY BEFORE RUNNING FOR MAYOR. MAGGY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE WEED AND SEED PROGRAM TO CLEAN UP THE CITY, BLOCK WATCHES, COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL MEETINGS ECT. SHE HAS BEEN WATCHING WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THIS CITY FOR YEARS. THAT IS WHY SHE IS RUNNING - SHE CAN'T STAND SEEING THINGS DONE THE WRONG WAY ANYMORE. SHE WANTS TO DO IT RIGHT!
well thats nice you work a lot in a week; and i am sorry i hate animals... family had a bad incident with them that someone got seriously hurt.
JAY.
THAT IS SUPPOSE TO CONVINCE ME TO VOTE FOR JAY?
SORRY YOUR FAMILY HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH AN ANIMAL OR TWO - BUT YOU SHOULD NOT BE PREJUDICE OF ALL BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF A FEW!
NOW BACK TO JAY - TELL ME WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY BEFORE DECIDING TO RUN FOR MAYOR THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO YOUNGSTOWN - WITH OUT PUTTING MONEY IN HIS POCKET EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY!
This bickering is juvenile. Why don't the both of you focus on what's good about the candidates you support, instead of attacking each other's candidates, and EACH OTHER? :-/
Everyone has a right to run if they can get the necessary number of signatures to do so. Whatever they decide to do, it should be with the best interests of the community at heart. We should expect and accept no less as citizens. One must be properly informed about all choices and the media has no right to bias and speculate who has a better chance than who. It severely injures the media's already damaged reputation, particularly with handeling elections.
As the question asking what Jay Williams has done for our community, before running for mayor, has been brought up; I, as a volunteer in his campaign, feel obligated to respond with the knowlege I have about this issue. I am not going to respond with speculation or heresay, but facts that I have aquired from talking to Jay Williams first-hand on several occasions.
I would first suggest that you should check out his website at http://jaywilliamsformayor.com/ for more information about him, particularly noting the Experience and Accomplishments pages. These will tell you factual information about him, much of which is public record.
He has worked as the Director of the Community Development Agency for the City of Youngstown for the past 5 years, a job he saw an advertisement for in the newspaper. He took a test, along with presenting his resume to city officials, and underwent an elaborate interview by both City Council and the mayor before being granted the position.
In order to take this job, he gave up his position at the bank, as well as 80% of a very large bonus. This bonus, as he described to me, would have been enough for him to 'quit work and travel the world'. At any rate, he gave it up to take the CDA director position, which pays comparatively less and is a civil service position. As CDA director, he became the spokesperson for the city's 2010 initiative, and attended all (and moderated some) of the more than 100 public meetings around the community, except for one that occurred when he was in London attending a function his wife was involved in. He also worked directly in the 2010 Initiative planning process on the executive committee, which included both city and university officials. He moderated several 2010-sponsored public forums that focused on resolving the divisions of the people of Youngstown, and uniting us in our diversity toward our common desire to see our city improve.
The CDA director is a position that also handles federal funding and destributes that funding to community service institutions according to need. I don't know a whole lot about that, for most of that is behind the scenes work and I have not talked to him much about the details of his work in this aspect. If you would like to know more about it, check the contact page on his website and drop them a line or an e-mail. I'm sure he, or one of his representatives, would gladly respond in detail and take any questions you ask them. I've pressed him, in person, with some difficult questions in the past, and I was thuroughly impressed with how important he felt it was for me to know every detail and fact.
Many people are also particularly curious about why he quit his job as CDA director to run for public office, and what he intends to do if he is not elected as mayor. I will clear both questions up here and now with what he has told me, first-hand, in a meeting I had with him a few days ago. There is a federal law that states that people in government positions like CDA director (which are hired civil service positions that handle federal funds) are not allowed to run for office. Therefore, to run for office, he had to quit his job as CDA director. It is also important to note that officials in civil service positions cannot be removed by a new mayor the same way that strictly appointed officials can (like police chief), and hence he was in no danger of LOSING his CDA job when McKelvey's term is up.
Currently, Jay Williams is doing consulting work for new businesses in the area, particualrly nonprofit ones, and helping them come up with business plans. This he does independently, and only has work when a business is in need of such services and contracts him to do it. So it is only a temporary job. He obviously hopes to be elected as the mayor of Youngstown. But, if he is not elected, he is certain that he can find work around here. He likes his house (which he had built) and his neighborhood, and he has no intention and desire of moving elsewhere, contrary to speculatory belief.
If you have any further questions or questions about what I've written, I'll do my best to answer them. You can also contact the Committee HQ with the contact information on the website.
IN POLITICS - THE PAST IS A REFLECTION OF THE FUTURE - THE BAD AND THE GOOD!
WILLIAMS....
I BELIEVE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A CDA FUNDS INVESTIGATION - SO DOES THAT MEAN IF ELECTED THEN FOUND GUILTY IN THE CDA FUNDS INVESTIGATION - WOULD OUR MAYOR GO TO JAIL? I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PENALTY OF A CRIME OF THAT NATURE. HE DID NOT DO THAT JOB PROPERLY!
ALSO HOW DO YOU GET AN ABATEMENT ON YOUR PROPERTY WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD REJECTS IT ?- FIXING IT SO HIS ENTIRE STREET DOES NOT PAY TAXES - I RESENT THIS - I PAY MINE! -2 SIX FIGURE JOBS - HE SHOULD OF HAD THE MONEY TO PAY HIS SHARE! SO YES - I CAN SEE WHY HE WOULD NOT WANT TO MOVE!
HE SAYS HE LIVED HERE ALL HIS LIFE- THEN HOW IS IT HE WAS REGISTERED TO VOTE IN TRUMBLE COUNTY?
EXECUTIVE - MEANS PUTTING LAWS INTO EFFECT - HE HAS NOT DONE THIS!
HE IS CONTRACTED TO HELP THE NON PROFIT AND SMALL BUSINESSES - MEANS HE IS BEING PAID FOR IT! - HE IS NOT DOING IT VOLUNTARILY TO HELP - IT IS FOR MONEY!
I CHECKED OUT A POLE ON THE VINDICATOR SITE - WHEN I LOOKED 80% OF THE VOTERS THINK 2010 IS A BAD IDEA -HERE IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WERE SAYING -" HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PAY BACK A MULTI MILLION $ LOAN WHEN NO ONE CAN AFFORD TO PURCHASE TICKETS"?" PEOPLE WILL NOT WANT TO COME FROM OUT OF TOWN BECAUSE OF THE CRIME IN THE AREA-"
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ONLY WANT POSITIVE THINGS SAID - CONSIDERING ALL THE NEGATIVE THINGS YOUR CANDIDATE HAS DONE!
WHY DO YOU THINK - IF ELECTED - HIS PERFORMANCE WOULD BE ANY BETTER IN THE FUTURE - THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST!
THE PAST TELLS YOU WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE FUTURE!
I would seriously suggest inquiring about these things from the Committee or Jay Williams for more information, but I will do my best to respond to your questions. It's important to bring up everything about a candidate that you hear, and find out the truth about them. Because if they aren't truly what they claim to be, then it is important that this be known.
CDA FUNDS INVESTIGATION - Who are 'they' that have said an investigation will be going on? Where did you hear this from? What is the exact source, and who will be doing the investigating? What is the reason for the investigation? Is it routine or based on a grievance? Is it required by law after a CDA official resigns? People speculate and exaggerate about situations a lot, especially when it comes to the history of candidates for elected offices. It's important to know the facts before judgments are made, good or bad. I'm not trying to discredit your statements in favor of the candidate, but it is imperative that these kinds of things be proven if they are to be stated. I'll ask him about this and see what he has to say.
ABATEMENT & SCHOOL BOARD - Are you implying that Jay Williams receives illegitimate tax breaks? What does the school board have to do with this situation? From where have you learned this? What are the specifics of the abatements? I haven't heard anything about this before. I'll ask him.
TRUMBULL COUNTY REGISTRATION - Never heard anything about this, either. The only time he mentioned to me about not living here to me was the couple of years when he was a kid. That was because of his dad's job. I'll find out what he has to say about it.
CONTRACTS - Obviously he's not doing it as a volunteer! He needs to be able to earn a living! You misunderstood my point for including that information in my previous post. That is what he is doing CURRENTLY as a means of earning a wage. Since he quit his job as CDA director, a lot of people question how he's getting by. That's how.
2010 - I don't see how anyone in the right mind can be against having a PLAN for a city! NOT having a plan certainly wasn't getting us anywhere! The 2010 plan gathers the ideas of people from all the neighborhoods in the city and even people from the suburbs and combines them into one basic goal: one that the people of Youngstown want to strive for. It is a GUIDE, it's not set in stone. For the people, by the people.
It helps city officials help businesses and industries interested in moving to Youngstown find places in the city that would best suit the needs of their business and benefit the people of the city, as well. For example, one of the revolutionary concepts that is in the 2010 Plan is land zoned for Green Industry: that is, new, high-tech, clean industries that actually improve the property value and do minimal harm to the environment. Up until the Plan was created, Youngstown had no such zones in the city. Such industries are the way of the future, and, by having places set for them in the plan of our city, it encourages such businesses to locate here. Those businesses bring good-paying jobs, blue and white collar alike. The plan also benefits existing businesses by setting forth suggestions to optimize and organize the business districts in our city.
Without a plan then there is complete disorder and disorganization. New businesses are discouraged from locating in a city that doesn't have a clue what it's own assets are. The 2010 plan focuses on the many assets that Youngstown has, such as the Mahoning River, and how these assets can be used to best benefit the people of our community.
Ultimately, it will be the people and institutions of the community that will implement the plan as they see fit, and add to the plan as each neighborhood and district builds its own, even more specific plan, as the Wick Neighbors are doing.
Anyone who is completely against a plan for the city either doesn't know what is truly included in the plan or thinks that something about it should be done differently. If they don't care enough to research the details of the plan, or attend the meetings and offer their own input, then they don't really know enough to complain or criticize it. Certainly, NOT having a plan hasn't done us any good. Have you been Downtown lately? Compare it to the way it was in the in the mid '90s. Even in 2001. New businesses are springing up slowly but surely, and sticking around. It's hard to find a parking space on Federal Street pretty much any weekday. You can spend a Friday night in Downtown Youngstown. Virtually every building down there has a project in the making, if it isn't already occupied. Things really picked up after the openeing of Federal Street, which was part of the 2010 PLAN.
"Not since the building boom following World War I has downtown Youngstown seen such a flurry of construction activity and spending." - The Business Journal, "$60M Building Boom", Nov 2004.
The Convocation Center's got it's fair share of problems, but it's only one little component to an elaborate Plan document and map which encompasses every single property and utility in the entire city. Also, I question the credibility of the Vindicator, especially after the way they have mistreated their Union employees. All of this is completely off-topic, so let's not discuss it further in here. If you want more information about the 2010 Initiative, go to www.youngstown2010.com and investigate. It's all there.
THE NEGATIVES ABOUT JAY - Besides the 3 peculiar things about Jay Williams you've mentioned (without yet producing any source from which I can check these claims), I ask you to produce any other 'negative thing' you know of that he has done against this community. If you do, I absolutely guarantee I will confront Jay Williams with questions about it. Candidates must answer for these things, and directly. Jay Williams doesn't beat around the bush, and I can tell you that from personal experience.
I am not a supporter of 'Jay Williams', I am a supporter of the candidate that I believe truly has the interests of this community at heart. I love this city. I want to see this city and the people of this city come alive again: break out of this 30-year depression and truly become all that I believe that we are inside. I have hope for a better future, and I'm willing to do my part to make it happen. Any candidate that I feel truly has the willpower, the innovation, the compassion, the desire to guide this community in the right direction, has my support. An honest, hard-working candidate who will work with us and get us to work together to make our city a better place! I see that in Jay Williams. I urge everyone to choose the candidate that they feel this way about, no matter who it is.
CDA FUNDS INVESTIGATION - I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS A LEGITIMATE WAY OF DOING IT - BUT HE BY-PASSED THE JUDGE APPROVAL PART. WHEN MAGGY ANNOUNCED IT - I BELIEVE ( NOT POSITIVE) IT WAS THE MAYOR WHO WAS TALKING INVESTIGATION.
CHECK HIS TAX RECORD - THE SCHOOL BOARD REJECTED IT -THEY REVIEW AND DECIDE IF SHOULD BE GIVEN- BUT HE GOT AN ABATEMENT FOR HIS ENTIRE STREET NOT TO PAY TAXES. IF YOU LOVED YOUNGSTOWN SO MUCH WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF PAYING YOUR SHARE? LOOK AT THE MONEY LOST FROM HIS STREET NOT PAYING TAXES - THIS FACT ALONE IS ENOUGH FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM!
CHECK VOTERS REGISTRATION - HE WAS REGISTERED IN TRUMBLE COUNTY
2 SIX FIGURE JOBS YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD HAVE A SAVINIGS - IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF HE DONATED IT TO THE NON PROFFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND WROTE IT OFF HIS INCOME TAX - I AM ASSUMING HE PAYS THAT. POINT IS HE IS NOT DOING IT TO HELP - IT IS FOR THE MONEY! -MONEY !MONEY! MONEY!
LIKE I SAID BEFORE - THE VINDICATOR HAD A POLE ON LINE AND WHEN I VEIWED IT 80% WERE NOT HAPPY. CHECK OUT WHAT THEY SAID IN THE ARCHIVES ABOUT 2010.
MAGGY HAD NO TROUBLE FINDING THESE THINGS OUT! LOOK UP THE TAX RECORDS FOR HIS STREET - GET THE TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE LOUIE FREE SHOW 7-20-05 WHEN MAGGY WAS ON.
THE FACT THAT HE SAID HE HAS ALWAYS LIVED HERE BUT IS REGISTERED IN TRUMBLE COUNTY - MEANS HE LIES - I DO NOT TRUST LIARS - ONCE A LIAR ALWAYS A LIAR
I RESENT THE FACT I MAKE WAY LESS THAN HE DOES - ALONG WITH MOST OF YOUNGSTOWN - YET I PAY PROPERTY TAX -ALONG WITH MOST OF YOUNGSTOWN -BUT HE GOT IT FIXED SO HIS ENTIRE STREET DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY - AND HE DID THIS WITHOUT THE POWER OF BEING MAYOR - MAKES ME WONDER WHAT HE WILL "FIX" TO BENEFIT HIMSELF IF HE HAD THE POWER OF MAYOR.
HE DID NOT FALLOW PROCEDURE TO ENSURE HE GOT WHAT HE WANTED ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION - WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS MAYOR? I HAVE NOT SEEN JAY DO ANYTHING THAT DID NOT SOMEHOW BENIFIT HIM. QUITTING THOSE JOBS MAKES ME WONDER WHAT HE HAS PLANNED TO COMPENSATE - AN EXAMPLE (NOT SAYING HE IS - ACTUALLY I HEARD FROM A FAMILY MEMBER THAT HAGAN WILL DO THIS)GET YOUR FAMILY AND FREINDS CITY JOBS.
TO BREAK OUT OF THE 30YR DEPRESSION - WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER "POLITICIAN"
WE NEED A CHANGE
YOUR SIG HAS NO SHOT
OK I BITE - WHAT IS SIG ? IF IT WILL GET YOU IN TROUBLE SEND IT PRIVATE ;D
I JUST DID SOME SEARCHING AND ADDING - CASTLE CRT (THE STREET) DOES NOT PAY TAXES FOR 15 YRS. I ADDED WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PAYING A YEAR - $32,528.16 TIMES 15 YEARS IS
$487,922.40 THERE WERE ALSO DELINQUENT TAXES OF $14,312.96
FOR A TOTAL OF $502,235.36 THAT IS OVER HALF A MILLION YOUNGSTOWN IS LOOSING :'(
CDA Funds investigation- You did not cite a specific source I could check to find out if this claim is fact. Who was supposed to do this investigation? Why were they going to do the investigation? You did not answer these questions, which are the important ones. I also don't trust a candidate who feels they need to attack another one to prove their own value.
Tax Abatements - How does the school board make decisions on tax abatements? Where did you receive this information? Did you check his tax record? Where can I go to check his tax record?
Trumbull Registration - Did you check this personally? Where can I do so?
2010 - Like I said before, this is completely off-topic. How many people took that pole, anyway? Did you see this poll yourself?
If Maggie is certain that she is the best candidate for the job, why doesn't she focus on what's good about her instead of wasting time trying to find flaws with the others? This is a low-level tactic of a politician playing on the ignorance of the voters. It's an insult to our intelligence as citizens, and it takes away from the actual issues at hand.
Rather than focus on the actual issues of the campaign, such as security, business development, more organized city governement, etc., it forces the attacked candidate to respond to these attacks, whether they are true or not. Though some may be true, and important, most are exaggerations, heresay, and slander. If Jay Williams used this tactic against Maggie or any other candidate, I'd be downright furious with him. And, believe me, I'd let him know it.
I totally agree with you, we do NOT need another politician. AMEN to THAT! Jay Williams is not a politician, from what I have seen. But I will talk to him about the things you've said, and see what he has to say about them.
I TOLD YOU TO CHECK OUT THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THAT SHOW WHERE IT WAS DISCUSSED! I CAN SEE WHY AN INVESTIGATION MAKES YOU NERVOUS.
LOOK AT THE VINDICATOR POLE FOR YOURSELF - ON THEIR SITE IN THE ARCHIVES.
LOOK AT - FREE PUBLIC RECORDS - OH - MAHONING - PROPERTY -SEARCH THE STREET CASTLE - THERE WILL BE 2 ENTRIES FOR EACH HOUSE- ONE SHOWING WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PAYING IN TAXES WITH THE ABATEMENT FOR 15 YEARS BY THEIR NAME - THE SECOND SHOWING NO TAXES OWED OR PAID - ADD THEM UP X 15 YRS + THE DELINQUENT TAXES IT EQUALS $502235.36 - READ THE LAW ON THE PROCEDURE FOR ABATEMENTS.IN CASE YOU DID NOT KNOW WILLIAMS LIVES ON CASTLE.
MAGGY HAS BEEN A CRITTIC OF YOUNGSTOWN FOR YEARS - EXPOSING WRONG DOINGS BY INFORMING THE PUBLIC - WHY SHOULD SHE STOP? SHE KNOWS WHAT IS BEING DONE WRONG AND HOW TO DO IT RIGHT!THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE USING THE CORRECT PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO FIX THE PROBLEMS OF YOUNGSTOWN
WE WILL LEARN MORE ON THE BROTHER K'S SHOW WED AUG 3RD 9-10 AM
Why should an investigation make ME nervous? What do I have to lose? If he's truly done some shady things while he was CDA director, do you think I DON'T want to know it? I don't want a crooked mayor! We've had enough of them! But I haven't seen any proof of this. And I don't even know if this 'investigation' is necessarily anything more than routine procedure! I don't know where to find the transcripts. You haven't told me.
Back to these abatements: Where do I find that, at the courthouse? Isn't there a URL I can go to, the Auditor's website or something? Do you have the URL where you found this information?
Why should she stop? Because we already know what the problems are! We don't NEED a critic, we need an honest leader! We need SOLUTIONS to our problems! If she's got some ideas, why isn't she making THESE the focus of her campaign? Why is she wasting her air time and press time talking about the other candidates? Whether it's true or not, it's not saying a thing about what she is going to do to fix it, to make things better.
Dear Comrade,
I finally had to jump in. First, the individuals supporting me are thinkers and as such seek out the facts, not just what is told to them.
As for who I am - if you sought the facts, you would know that I address issues, and only address the person as they relate to such. Also, apparently you have not visited my website or you would have seen not only issues, but solutions.
Do not judge, what or who you do not know.
I am not in elected office and may not be in the future, but I recently had an effect on one long standing problem. It wasn't until I began to make public the millions in arrearages in income tax and addressed the issue both before the primary and at the Chamber breakfast that all of a sudden the city brings RITA in to collect finally. You see while they were requesting that 1/2% on the backs of our safety forces, who never received their percentage, they were failing to collect 5 MILLION a year. If they were collecting, we would still be paying 2 1/4%. However, it was easier to add on than address the core problem.
Finally, if you were truly knowledgeable of all that has been wrong or done wrong you would most likely be a candidate yourself.
There are those who really do place community interest ahead of their personal ones.
HI MAGGY
MY FRIENDS AND I ARE BEHIND YOU 100%
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE AND ALL THAT YOU WILL DO!
COMRADE :
IN MY REPLY #39 - 3RD PARAGRAPH - THAT IS THE INSTRUCTIONS TO FIND THE ABATEMENTS.
CALL THE SHOW AND ASK THEM TO SEND YOU THE TRANSCRIPTS
SHE SHOULD NOT STOP - YOU FOR ONE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT EVERYTHING - EXAMPLE - ABATEMENTS - OTHER PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TOO!
CDA LOANS ARE SUPPOSE TO BE APROVED BY A JUDGE - HE SKIPPED THAT PART - WRONG PROCEDURE - INTENTIONALLY OR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE I DO NOT KNOW - EITHER IS UNEXCEPTABLE
I COMMEND YOU FOR WANTING TO SEEK OUT THE TRUTH AND THAT YOU ARE NOT FOR WILLIAMS NO MATTER WHAT
I POSTED THIS BEFORE - YOU MUST HAVE MISSED IT SO HERE IT IS AGAIN
THIS IS FROM MAGGY'S WEB SITE - THIS IS THE FOCUS OF HER CAMPAIGN
Point One:
A pledge that no individual who ran for this office will be appointed head of any department in our city.
We need community oriented, energetic, and knowledgeable people.
Will the other candidates make this pledge?
Point Two:
I have no political consultants(s) assisting me.
Any statements I make will be solely based on my knowledge, my passion, and my words.
Point Three: Charter and Ordinances
Go back - to following our City Charter and established Ordinances.
Youngstown is a Home Rule, not " make your own rules " city.
Laws and Ordinances are passed and should be utilized to benefit the citizenry and protect their assets.
Point Four: Racial Differences in Our Community
Definitions of Community: " a body of people living in the same place under the same laws"..."joint ownership".
I believe that race issues have been used as a tool to divide.
Being out in the "real" community, and having researched many city actions, I have found that it is not about BLACK or WHITE, but the color GREEN.
Point Five: Our 2 3/4% Income Tax
A major issue is our city having the highest income tax rate in the state. We enacted a 1/4% raise in 1997, then another 1/2% effective January 2003, on the backs of our safety forces.
All the while our city leaders were failing to collect millions in arrearages.
Solid foundations build solid structures.
Point Six: How To Collect and Rollback
Sen. Hagan stated at a 7th Ward Coalition Meeting he " would not " rollback the income tax. Mr. Williams stated in the Valley Voice that it would be " irresponsible ".
It is irresponsible not to!
Mr. Williams also stated at the Chamber Breakfast that we would lose 3.5 to 4 million per year on a 1/4% rollback. Try collecting the FIVE million a year owed.
Although it is usually done before acquisition, the first act must be an audit for a clear financial picture. It needs to be privately done - we are charged for the State audits and cannot afford to wait over a year for the results.
Secondly, a private company should be subcontracted to collect our past due accounts.
You then reinvest a portion of these monies back into upgrading the Finance Department to insure that this magnitude of arrearages never occur again.
I believe that within 15 months an initial rollback of 1/4% is feasible.
Point Seven : Data Processing
As a follow up to Point Six, it is imperative that we have a solid Data Processing System with a Chief Information Officer.
Remember Jones Janitorial? The city had an enforceable legal claim for hundreds of thousands of dollars which could not be recovered due to lost paperwork in the Finance Department.
We need to upgrade or install security procedures.
Establish emergency and long range master plans.
Electronically log time in ALL departments, including regular, overtime, and accumulated.
Where is a City Website??? Duh! How do you expect, in the tech age, to market your city and disperse information?
Point Eight: Independent Audit Committee
I am aware that Sen. Hagan has taken steps to initiate a business committee BUT, more crucial than this should be the formation of an independent audit committee - OPEN BOOKS and OVERSIGHT !
JOINT OWNERSHIP - Although it sounds like a business term - it is actually a definition of community.
Point Nine: Loans
A reassessment of all " defaulted loans" for possible collection.
In the future there must be documented proof of collateral and more caution must be used in dispensing waivers and tax abatements.
Point Ten : CDA Funds
These funds need full review. We have repeatedly been found in " non compliance " under State audits.
More monies need to allocated to demolition and revitalization.
Special emphasis needs to be placed on the 4 million outstanding in the Revolving Loan program, to insure these monies continue to " revolve ".
Think About It !
Maggy,
I did not judge you, and I'm sorry if it seemed that way. I just haven't heard, up until this last post, anything about you except for what you said about the other candidates. This takes AWAY from the actual issues, and it HAS in this very message board. Because the focus was on the claims you have made about the problems with the other candidates, the SOLUTIONS you have for them in your platform were NOT discussed! This is a problem with many political campaigns, and I don't want it to happen in this one.
Correct information is important, but focusing on the flaws of the other candidates doesn't tell us a THING about you or what you will do to make our city better as mayor. I'm not saying you aren't in this race with the absolute best intentions at heart, I'm saying I don't know, because all I've heard about you (up till this last post) is your criticisms about Jay Williams!
I know a lot of the problems our city faces, but I couldn't run if I wanted to! I'm too young, and lack experience! I don't think I could handle all the slander that anyone running for office must tolerate. I commend you for your willingness to run for office for the betterment of our city. I am glad to know that in November, we will have good choices for Mayor.
Moloch,
I will look into the things you mentioned about Jay Williams, and respond with my findings when I have done so. It is important to know about the history the candidates. It is important to know whether relevant information about their past is true or false, and it is important to find out why it has been said and why it is what it is.
COMRADE - LOOKING FOWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE ;)
To: Comrade
You didn't hear any comments directly from me about anyone.
Again remember, there are real life independent thinkers in existence.
I applaud your interest in the dynamics of your community and suggest you seek information on your own.
So I will. So I do. You'll be hearing from me, don't worry! ;)
HOPEFULLY BY NOVEMBER ;D
MOLUCH and Maggy you two should be very careful about making false accusations about candidates, in particular about Jay. I happen to know for a fact that SOME of the things you have posted here are false and inaccurate. And because I know this, I have to question the other things you have posted about him. When you two do things like this it calls your own charater into question, I hope both of you read the agreement when you registered to post on this website. In the meantime, I will wait for Comrade to respond with the information she is trying to verify about Jay.
Maggy there are things I have heard about you that are not very flattering and I would not nor would Jay use a website to repeat these things and claim that they are true. As a matter of fact I have never heard Jay go out and publicly accuse his opponents of things whether they are true or not. He has always based his campaign on the vision he has for the city of Youngstown.
Just from listening to you on the radio Maggy I thought you would have been above doing this sort of thing. I can only hope that you don't make that the cornerstone of your campaign, and will try to base it on the plan you have for the city of Youngstown.
Think about it, and Good luck to you in November.
JADED
JUST AS YOUR SPELLING IS INACCURATE - SO IS YOUR STATEMENT
1. TELL ME WHICH POST OF MAGGY'S DOES SHE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR CANDIDATE?
2. IF MAGGY HAS DONE SOMETHING ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW - LIST IT!
3. LIST WHAT IS NOT TRUE ABOUT JAY!
I THINK THE REASON WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM COMRADE IS OBVIOUS.
THE FACT THAT MY FRIENDS AND I PAY PROPERTY TAXES. OLD PEOPLE STARVING ON SOCIAL SECURITY PAY PROPERTY TAXES. SOME OLD PEOPLE LOSE THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE TAXES ! JAY WITH HIS 6 FIGURE INCOME DOES NOT - ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE CASTLE STREET. THIS IS ENOUGH FOR ME NOT TO WANT HIM AS MAYOR OF YOUNGSTOWN.
MOLOCH
MOLUCH,
Before you critique my spelling you may want to check your own from your previous rants.
I will not use this website or any other to make accusations about Maggy or any other candidate. Because that would only diminish Jay's efforts, instead I will let the truth speak for itself. Besides Jay does not need me to defend him, he is more capable of answering any legitimate question(s) for his self so I will leave that to him. I can tell you this, he will not use this sort of format to respond to your and Maggy's accusations, he is man enough to do it face to face.
In parting, I will say this; "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
Think about it.
Jaded,
Now I must step in, my suggestion is go back through all the posts for this topic. If you take the time to do this you will see that when Maggy posted no names were mentioned nor did she actually out and out refer to any one person. Maggy always encourages people to seek the truth, may I suggest you do the same. Oh and I also suggest you visit Maggy's site and read her crediblity statements: "only open mouth with documentation in hand." Maggy will only say or post something about someone or something if she has the documentation on hardcopy and in her hand keep this in mind before you accuse her of inncorrect or false statements!
YOU MAKE NO ACCUSATIONS ABOUT MAGGY BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE TO MAKE!
YOU DO NOT SAY WHAT IT IS I WAS WRONG ABOUT - BECAUSE - I WASN'T!
THE FACT THAT YOU FEEL YOU MUST "BUTCHER" MY NAME MEANS I HAVE ANGERED YOU WITH THE TRUTH - ;D
DON'T WAIT FOR COMRADE - INVESTIGATE FOR YOURSELF - AFRAID YOU WILL FIND OUT -I AM RIGHT - OR ARE YOU JUST INCAPABLE.
OH BY THE WAY -
ACCORDING TO THE WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY
THE DEFINITION OF JADE (JADED) - A HARD, TRANSLUCENT, GREEN GEMSTONE;AN OLD WORN-OUT UNMANAGEABLE HORSE; A MEAN OLD WOMAN; HUSSY.
WELL I AM SURE YOU ARE NOT GREEN ;D
I AM A SUPPORTER OF MAGGY - I AM NOT MAGGY - I AM NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING - IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT MY HOUSE IS MADE OF!
I'm sorry MOLOCH it was just a type-o, I certainly was not trying to offend you in anyway. Obviously, my type-o has upset you as well as my opinion about you and Maggy so I will end my post with you here.
Thank you for the suggestion PattiB, I did visit Maggy's website, I found it somewhat enlightening but not enough to make me change my mind about who I will be supporting this fall. It will to be interesting to hear the candidates' positions at the forum later this month.
Good luck
fyi: Maggy-Moluch-PattiB.... I know city workers downtown and one from the CDA Department and your continuos false accusations regarding Jay are hurting you bad as they have spread the word about your comments.
So if I were you I'd regret your thoughts on the Jay Campaign because judging by talking to many people downtown; not just city workers; Jay is by far the favorite and the pedestrians downtown have no clue who you are and didn't even know you were running.
So your Hagan like-SMEAR-Campaign must stop and folks like Comrade and other supporters of Jay like muah should not be blamed with your hate.
sincerely; Ytown News and Views
To Ytown News and Views
Good post, however I am sure you will be attacked at any moment now.
I thought the purpose of this site was to participate in lively discussions about our views of the current political situation here in Youngstown. Unfortunately, if you do not agree with an opposing view then you are attacked and called names. I just hope this site does not turn out to be another Dems17. I will only view and occasionally post when I think an intelligent conversation is taking place without all of the accusations and attacks. Watch this: JAY FOR MAYOR! If I'm not attacked for those three words I will be surprised.
You know what man if you want me and you can get my site: Youngstown News and Views back to competition with the dems board and maybe give some more calm opinion on this mayors race and be realistic its hagan vs. jay.
join me @ http://youngstown.rr.nu
JADED - TYPE-O - YA SURE - BUY, BUY.
YTOWN NEWS AND VIEWS - SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT JAY RAN THE CDA LOAN THROUGH THE JUDGE LIKE THE LAW STATES - IF I WAS MISINFORMED THEN PLEASE ,TELL ME THE JUDGES NAME? JUST TYPE ...THE JUDGE WAS (INSERT NAME HERE)
THANK YOU FOR INFORMING ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAGGY IS RUNNING - THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU. IT IS HELPFUL TO MAGGY THAT PEOPLE LEARN THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ;D
WHY HAVEN'T YOU MENTIONED THE NOT PAYING OF PROPERTY TAXES FOR 15 YEARS FOR THE ENTIRE, CASTLE STREET, ISSUE? TELL ME HOW YOU JUSTIFY THIS AS ACCEPTABLE. DISCUSS IT WITH ME. WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON THIS. I WILL MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU
- FINISH THIS STATEMENT...
...JAY AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF CASTLE STREET DESERVE NOT TO PAY TAXES FOR 15 YEARS BECAUSE......
$502235.36 IS ALLOT OF MONEY FOR YOUNGSTOWN TO LOOSE. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME GO ONTO THE PROPERTY SITE AND DO THE MATH YOURSELF. I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS FACT DOES NOT BOTHER YOU - UNLESS YOU YOURSELF DO NOT PAY PROPERTY TAX. EXPLAIN TO ME - WHY THIS SHOULD NOT MAKE ME ANGRY.
HATE - YES - I VERY MUCH RESENT THIS FACT - ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITY TAX RATE IS INCREASED BECAUSE "THEY NEED MONEY". WE LEARNED ABOUT CASTLE STREET BECAUSE JAY IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR - HOW MANY MORE RESIDENTS ARE OUT THERE EXEMPT FROM PAYING TAXES AND WHY? THEN THERE ARE THE UNCOLLECTED BACK TAXES - WHY SO LONG TO COLLECT?
I HAVE ASKED YOU TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE IN PAST POSTS - HOPEFULLY YOU ANSWER THIS TIME.
YOU SHOULD SEND PEOPLE TO YOUR AIRPORT SITE TO TRY AND BUILD-UP YOUR MEMBERS. I AM SURE THEY WILL EVENTUALLY GET AN AIRLINE.
*LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR TO ALL - THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN - I DO NOT SPEAK FOR MAGGY. IF I SAY SOMETHING THAT IS BOTHERSOME TO YOU, DON'T INCLUDE HER IN YOUR REPLY - MY STATEMENTS ARE NOT HERS NOR HER CAMPAIGN.
MAGGY FOR MAYOR
Jaded,
I had no intention of changing your mind when I asked you to visit Maggy's site. My intention was for you to see what Maggy is about and the fact that IF Maggy does post something about someone or something it will be factual and she will have the documentation to back it up.
My dearest Ytown News and Views,
I make every attempt to be nice and polite to everyone on every board I visit and post on as does Maggy. Moloch is an adult and has taken the time to do some investigating on her own especially about the taxes.
Please don't include my name and Maggy's name in the so called smear campaign, if we post something it will be a fact that includes documented proof. I would also have to say that since Moloch has taken the time to look things up she will also have documented proof.
Oh and she's right you should be sending people to the airport site never thought about it but that is a good idea.
I'd include a link in your posts. :)
Look MO LUNCH,
First of all it's bye-bye NOT buy, buy
Bye-bye means farewell, so-long, good-bye
Buy means to purchase
Obviously, you are a psychopath with a computer. I've noticed you have started a lot of threads on this website. This tells me you don't have much going on in your life and perhaps the reason for all of your hostile and angry post. You should really seek help.
I am glad that you admit you are not speaking for Maggy. You do not represent her campaign well with all of your anger. Just from reading your post you may have possibly turned some undecided voters away from Maggy because of all of the accusations and lies you have made against Jay. Don't you think that if half of these things you say were true, Jay would have been forced to drop out of the race by now? Come on THINK ABOUT IT!
I am saying BYE-BYE to you because I will no longer respond to your ridiculous accusations, it only encourages you to continue with this wild and out of control behavior. I still suggest you seek help because you have some issues you need to deal with.
THINK ABOUT IT, OKAY?
I'm with Jaded. You 2 and maggy have made this site pathetic and a joke so my site with actual moderating will begin to rule the area as i get more members from the dems and vindy boards.
And regarding me asking those downtown about maggy; they still said they are voting for jay anyway!
3rd like many people say maggy has only stated problems in the city and HAS NEVER GIVEN US WHAT SHE WILL DO AND IT CONTINUES ON HER PATHETIC Website. Come November you will know with polls and debates who will win; its quite simple; JAY.
http://youngstown.rr.nu
ps.. this site was once good but you 2 have become so unrealistic and so defiant about maggy and her shots of winning i can't talk here witha bout being criticized.
Ok once again you keep saying you 2 and Maggy, I would like you to show me a post where Maggy or I have gotten out of line or made any comments that were false or out of line in anyway!
JADED & Y-TOWN NEWS & VIEWS
SORRY FOR THE SPELLING ERROR - THAT IS A - YOUNGSTOWN EDUCATION FOR YOU.
ACTUALLY I HAVE STARTED 2-3 THREADS - HOWEVER I DO RESPOND TO THEM - YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT, ARE YOU - YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ THE MESSAGE BOARD PROPERLY - THE NAME IN THE MIDDLE IS WHO STARTED THE POST - ON THE RIGHT IS LAST RESPONSE. DIDN'T YOU NOTICE YOUR NAME ON THE RIGHT WHEN YOU POSTED YOUR REPLIES OR ARE YOU NOT OBSERVANT EITHER? - MUST NOT BE CONSIDERING THE COLUMNS HAVE HEADERS.
YES I SPEND ALLOT OF TIME AT HOME - SO I AM NOT ROBBED. UNFORTUNATELY MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT SAFE.
I DID SEEK HELP FOR MY ANGER - THEY CALLED IT MENOPAUSE ;D
YOU TWO ARE THE ONES WHO START THE NAME CALLING WHEN YOU ARE FACED WITH A TRUTH YOU HAVE NO ANSWER FOR. ANYONE CAN SEE THAT WHEN THEY READ THE POSTS - ANOTHER INACCURATE STATEMENT FROM YOU JADED.
ALL THE CANDIDATES HAVE A SHOT AT WINNING. MANY PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO THE DEBATES AND HEAR WHAT THEY ALL HAVE TO SAY. NO ONE EVER SAID SHE DID NOT ENTER THIS RACE AS A LONG SHOT. THE MORE EXPOSURE SHE GETS THE BETTER HER CHANCES. THE PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO DOWNTOWN HEARD THE NAME MAGGY FROM YOU - THEY HAVE NOT HEARD HER YET - WHEN THEY DO, SOME MAY CHANGE THEIR MINDS ;D AND NOW SHE KNOWS TO GET DOWN THERE AND TALK TO PEOPLE. THANKS AGAIN ;D
I FIND IT INTERESTING YOU BOTH MADE POSTS - YET NO NAME OF A JUDGE - AND NO TALK OF THE TAXES. JUST A STATEMENT THAT I AM LYING WITH NO PROOF THAT I AM. THAT IS BECAUSE I AM NOT LYING - THERE IS NO JUDGE AND CASTLE STREET DOES NOT PAY PROPERTY TAX. SO YOU GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND RUN ON OVER TO Y-TOWNS SITE. YOU BOTH JUST START CALLING PEOPLE NAMES WHEN FACED WITH A TRUTH YOU CAN NOT DISPUTE.
PATTIB- UPON INVESTIGATION OF Y-TOWNS SITE - HE IS RIGHT IN SENDING PEOPLE THERE - JADED ONLY MADE THE 21 ST MEMBER.
WHEN I READ JADED'S FIRST POST - WITH THE SAME MISSPELLING OF MY NAME Y-TOWN DOES WHEN ANGERED - I THOUGHT THEY WERE ONE IN THE SAME - BUT IN THE DISCOVERY, JADED DOES NOT KNOW THE LAYOUT OF THE MESSAGE BOARD - I NO LONGER THINK THAT.
Well Moloch I think they have a hard time accepting the fact that you may actually be able to think on your own. I'm sure a lot of people feel that me or Maggy tell you what to say, they don't realize that Maggy and I will post when we feel there is a need for it and that we won't hide behind someone else or have someone else make posts for us.
As for the tax abatement issue, I don't agree with it for a couple of reasons:
1) the school board denied it, the street got it anyway
2) if you're going to give a tax abatement give it to the elderly that live on a fixed income and could use that bit of extra money
My view is if they can afford those houses they can afford to pay their taxes.
PATTIB
I ALSO THINK THE ELDERLY ON SOCIAL SECURITY SHOULD GET THE TAX ABATEMENTS - MAYBE THEN THEY COULD AFFORD MORE THAN CAT FOOD TO EAT! -
I HEARD THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER MOTHERS WALK ON THE SOUTHSIDE AROUND THE 22 ND - SINCE PEOPLE ASSUME WE KNOW EACH OTHER - MAYBE WE SHOULD MEET :D
Moloch,
Yes we are having another prayer walk, we have changed it from Mothers Prayer Walk to Community Prayer Walk and it is open to everyone in the community. It will be the 27th on the Southside. The last one on the eastside I felt was sucessful considering the short notice and lack of publicity. I was touch when 2 young men playing basketball in the street put the ball down and joined us on the walk. Although a few others joined us its the teens we're losing and for those to young men to join us gave me hope that we can reach people including our young people and in turn maybe save some lives.
QuoteYou 2 and maggy have made this site pathetic and a joke so my site with actual moderating will begin to rule the area as i get more members from the dems and vindy boards.
Moderation? You plan to moderate anyone who disagrees with you? Moderation on your board will show that you don't tolerate freedom of speech. BBS is about discussion and differing views. I believe that moderation on this board is primarily used to remove outdated posts and not for censoring. If it was about censoring then your posts, ytownnewsandviews would probably be some of the first to go.
It is interesting to note that your posts are the posts where the "trash" filter changed your profanities to more appropriate words. It is interesting to note that you begin to name call when someone disagrees with your opinion. This then spurs angry commentary. All roads lead back to your initial "angry" insults.
Jaded, I haven't seen anyone EXCEPT THE BOARD OWNER say "refer to the site's agreement" when certain board members called Hagan or other members names. Quoting the terms of use when it is convenient for your cause seems like a defensive move. Interesting to note that comments about the terms of use come from someone who has not bothered to agree to the terms of use and become a member.
If board members are making inaccurate or slanderous statements regarding political candidates, then report it to the administrator. There are dozens more seemingly inaccurate statements being made on the Dems boards and the sparse traffic that the Vindy board gets is all about negatvity. The "questionable" statements were made in the form of questions... the poster is asking questions so that others may take it upon themselves to look into the points made.
Good luck with your BBS. It can be any flavor you wish, if you are paying the bills. You can censor out anyone who disagrees with you. That is why the internet is so appealing. The MV BBS has been around for a long time, sans censorship, except for profanity. Many of the users go back to the YSU freenet days before the WWW even had pictures and it took some skill to communicate and navigate - not just point and click. Probably long before your time. The MV Board is far from pathetic...you even resort to calling this BBS names, now that IS pathetic.
GET REAL
After reading this thread I decided to do a little investigation of my own regarding the residents of Jay Williams' Street, Castle Ct.
This information can be obtained online at the Mahoning County Additor property search.
It appears that the statement that none of them will pay taxes is correct.
They have an abatement for 15 years.
It is called a City Reinvestment Area
CRA ABATEMENT 15 YEARS
100% N / C TY2001-TY2015
SEE ABATED, PA 119.0-0A USA
revised commentary
There are identical address entries for each property. Each secondary entry shows no property value with no taxes. Only one resident on the street doesn't have a double entry.
What is up with this? How can they get away with this? Is this legal?
If this is Williams' brainchild, should we admire him for being sly like a fox or mistrust him for being a snake? Our public servants need to be held accountable for their responsibilities and should be held to a high standard. He should separate himself from this tax abatement situation if he wants to be mayor.
This is not a neighborhood that needs revitilzation nor does it need too attract settlers. It is one of the more affluent streets in Youngstown adjacent to Boardman.
As to how this came about is a mystery.
So one of the questions raised has foundation - what about the others?