Homicide @ Eagle Heights Academy football field today. :'(
The story about this homicide appeared in the Sunday, August 20, newspaper.
www.vindy.com/content/local_regional/356107954702808.php (http://www.vindy.com/content/local_regional/356107954702808.php)
This may have been Youngstown's 18th homicide of the year.
I watched a news report on TV this evening. The reporter stated that no one at the football game had a good description of the shooter. With all of the video cameras at games these days, I willing to bet that someone has the shooting on tape. The question is if or when they will come forward with the information.
The organization that puts on these games at the former South High Field need to get security personell
for these events. Even if the organization(s) responsible for these games are private, their venue is taking
place outdoors, in public.
Between the Mahoning County Sheriff's office, the YSU Campus Police force, the Y.P.D. and the
private security firms doing business in the area, there is NO reason for the lack of security personell
at these events. They could easily pay off duty police officer(s) or private security guard(s) to cover
these events. The kids and their families should not have to be the losers in all of this.
:/
The Vindicator online broke the news about the murder suspect's name. He appears to have an extensive criminal background.
Why does there seem to be a problem with locking up violent criminals in this valley and keeping them locked up? Who is to blame for allowing them to be put back on the streets to await trials that never happen because they've been arrested for other crimes or they disappear?
What can we,the citizens, do to put an end to the same old rhetoric?
The news report last night featured people complaining that the police had been called earlier about the situation that was brewing and they drove by and left. The people seemed very upset and felt that if police had taken complaints seriously and had made their presence known, the shooting would not have occurred. They also said there will be an investigation.
As far as security goes. It is very expensive. Leagues have a hard enough time just affording insurance, officials and venue associated fees. It will get to the point where the families just can't afford it, especially if they have more then one kid.
Who owns the Field House now? I feel it is THEIR responsibility to include security as part of the usage.
Well,
I feel that the bottom line is this: You cannot put a price on lives and safety of human beings - from babies
to grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. that attend these events. Their positive impact on the community
makes them worth finding the money - whatever it takes - to continue the events AND provide a safe
and enjoyable unvironment while doing so.
If some individuals within the organization(s) that put on these sporting activities have a few ounces
of creativity amongst them, there are plenty of things they could do to raise funds for such a good
cause - bake sales, baazars (sp?), garage and yard sales, a car wash event, you fill in the blank
here. A little of the old legal "hustle and bustle" for a charitable cause STILL works - even
here in Youngstown. All you need is some good, decent everyday people who are willing to give
something of themselves - mainly their time and some genuine interest in doing something
good for their community.
How about organizing an old fashioned "athletic boosters club" as a non-profit entity to
help support the teams and the events?
I'm all for creative fund raising.
The teams probably already do EVERYTHING you mentioned AND more.
And I also don't believe that security expense should be a deterrent for children's sports events.
The security should be provided as part of the venue.
It is the venue's responsibility to have rules outlined in their contracts regarding security.
You can't even rent a banquet hall these days without addressing security.
According to news reports today... the police said they would have provided security if asked.
I've been involved in events with off duty police as security and it is expensive. Maybe it is different for the schools?
Why did the police only drive by when called?
Those in attendance said their presence would have made all the difference.
Shift change again?
It is my opinion that there should be no such thing as a shift change.
In this age of computers, they can overlap duty time to avoid any shift changes.
My son's school did not support our soccer team and the parents were responsible for raising the money for EVERYTHING.
The school and BOE supports other sports, even bowling ... guess they just couldn't get behind soccer? Unfortunately it was decided we were not allowed to car pool the kids to 'away' games at one point... due to BOE rules and then we even had to ask each student for bus fare to rent the school buses.
We had many fund raisers, sold simple foods during the games and came up with the rest of the money ourselves.
I received an education about what goes into maintaining a sports team.
Even using a public park, the expenses were high. Not allowed to use the school's playing field because of football practices.
And security wasn't in the budget. In fact I don't remember seeing security at any "away" soccer games either... even at Warren Harding Stadium. Maybe because I wasn't looking for it. There was no soccer team last year and there is none planned for this year. It is because the coaches, who were volunteer parents, were too busy trying to raise money and make ends meet on top of coaching. No one else wanted to take it on.
Perhaps your northside renovation company would like to sponsor the Chaney Soccer team next year?
It's too late for this year...the regional schedule is put together in the early summer.
I wonder how big that courtyard is at Chaney? Big enough for a soccer field? Probably not. hmmmm
Just a thought. Although they had the space before for a fieldand would not give it up.
Yes, I saw that same story on the news last night - Y.P.D. spokesman said that the police
department would have provided security if only they had been asked to do so.
As far as sponsoring Chaney, I feel it would be more appropriate if the neighborhood
around Chaney sponsored them. I have my hands full on the North Side working to
better the neighborhood around Wick Park right now - and my fledgeling company
(have not received all the paperwork back from the lawyer(s) to officially launch
the company yet) is not yet generating any revenue (ie: income).
I have joined the North Side Citizens' Coalitioin and made a $200 donation, and am
working on other projects to help the coalition get back on its feet and become a
fully functioning Non-Profit organization once again.
:)
Wow Allan!! It's nice to know that you are single handedly going to save the North Side of Youngstown. Where would we be without you???
I should have put a smiley in my post Allan.
I wan't expecting you to fund a Chaney soccer team!
:laugh:
Most of the local businesses that support sports do so in the private sector for leagues..
BTW - Youngstown has open enrollment.
MANY of the students at Chaney come from the North Side.
CitizenInYo wrote:
<< Wow Allan!! It's nice to know that you are single handedly going to save the North
Side of Youngstown. Where would we be without you??? >>
There is absolutely no reason for snyde, personally directed remarks like this on the
message board. I did not say, nor did I imply, that I am going to "single handedly
save the North Side of Youngstown"
What I AM doing, HOWEVER - is putting MY PERSONAL LIFE SAVINGS where my
mouth is and actually DOING something to help fix up the North Side - where others,
like yourself, just sit back and "TALK". I work ten and twelve hour days, side by
side with my crew, with my OWN TWO HANDS - trying my best to help fix up
the neighborhood around Wick Park and make it better for every single man,
woman and child living in the area - most of whom I don't even know.
"WHY the North Side?" you might ask - my answer is simple - because it is the side of town
where I grew up, went to high school, fell in love with my first girlfriend, etc, etc.
I have over a third of a lifetime of great memories - all of them from my days growing
up on the "North Side." I was NOT trying to be a smart a** in my response to the
Forum Manager - I was simply trying to explain that I honestly DO NOT HAVE
the money to donate to charity at this time.
I was laid off from my I.T. job of 18 years in October of 2004 - and until my new
business starts generating some cash flow, I am living off of my lifetime
savings - and pouring TONS of it into the properties I am buying and restoring.
Where would the collective "YOU" be without the proverbial "ME" you ask?
Well, "YOU" would be worse off than you are now, with me helping and
risking my life savings in an effort to try and do someting genuine, something
REAL to make a difference in Youngstown.
If you REALLY have a problem with that, then debate me on the issues,
ideas and concepts that I put forth on this board when expressing myself.
Please don't resort to petty, childish, sarcastic "cheap shots" the
"Peanut Gallery". Rather, put forth the behavior of the mature, intelligent
and rational human being that I am certain you actually are.
'Nuff said.....
Allan
BTW
I didn't think you were being a smarta**.
I admire your dedication and wish you luck.
"What I AM doing, HOWEVER - is putting MY PERSONAL LIFE SAVINGS where my
mouth is and actually DOING something to help fix up the North Side - where others,
like yourself, just sit back and "TALK". I work ten and twelve hour days, side by
side with my crew, with my OWN TWO HANDS - trying my best to help fix up
the neighborhood around Wick Park and make it better for every single man,
woman and child living in the area - most of whom I don't even know."
Your messages always imply that you are the only one doing anything for Youngstown. In your message you say that I "just sit back and "TALK". You could not be more wrong. You are not the only one that has your life savings invested in the North Side of Youngstown. I actually live there. I spend every moment that I am not at my job working on a 100 year old house. I do appreciate what you are doing on the North Side of Youngstown, but don't always make it sound as though you are the only one doing anything. There are many, many people who have a lot invested in the North Side and they were there long before you arrived on the scene.
Just a note for the posters that quote each other on the forum -
To quote and have it show that it is a quote
two methods-
1. Click "quote" above a persons message.
The entire message will be in a quote box in a reply and you can take out the parts you don't want
This method will show who you are quoting.
example:
Quote from: ForumManager on August 22, 2006, 11:14:53 PM
BTW
I didn't think you were being a smarta**.
I admire your dedication and wish you luck.
2. or paste the quoted text in your message, highlight and click the little box that looks like a word bubble.
It will put quote tags aroung the text
[quote]highlighted text[/quote] example:
QuoteBTW
I didn't think you were being a smarta**.
I admire your dedication and wish you luck
.
Quote from: ForumManager on August 23, 2006, 09:04:09 AM
Just a note for the posters that quote each other on the forum -
To quote and have it show that it is a quote
You learn something new every day :) I had to try it and see if it works.
OK, what did I do wrong. How do you get back out of the quote box. My message also appears in the quote box?
Quote from: CitizeninYO on August 23, 2006, 09:12:33 AM
OK, what did I do wrong. How do you get back out of the quote box. My message also appears in the quote box?
Make sure your message is after the trailing
[/quote]sometimes the tag is a few lines under the quote.
Quote from: CitizeninYO on August 23, 2006, 09:12:33 AM
OK, what did I do wrong. How do you get back out of the quote box. My message also appears in the quote box?
type your message outside the quote brackets
QuoteYou learn something new every day I had to try it and see if it works.
The forum is full of little gems...yet to be discovered!
Sorry that I took us off topic.
Quote from: ForumManager on August 23, 2006, 09:39:39 AM
The forum is full of little gems...yet to be discovered!
Sorry that I took us off topic.
Last try to see if I can do this right? ::)
Quote from: CitizeninYO on August 23, 2006, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: ForumManager on August 23, 2006, 09:39:39 AM
The forum is full of little gems...yet to be discovered!
Sorry that I took us off topic.
Last try to see if I can do this right? ::)
looks good to me!
Quote from: CitizeninYO on August 23, 2006, 08:51:12 AM
"What I AM doing, HOWEVER - is putting MY PERSONAL LIFE SAVINGS where my
mouth is and actually DOING something to help fix up the North Side - where others,
like yourself, just sit back and "TALK". I work ten and twelve hour days, side by
side with my crew, with my OWN TWO HANDS - trying my best to help fix up
the neighborhood around Wick Park and make it better for every single man,
woman and child living in the area - most of whom I don't even know."
Your messages always imply that you are the only one doing anything for Youngstown.
In your message you say that I "just sit back and "TALK". You could not be more wrong.
You are not the only one that has your life savings invested in the North Side of Youngstown.
I actually live there. I spend every moment that I am not at my job working on a 100 year
old house. I do appreciate what you are doing on the North Side of Youngstown, but don't
always make it sound as though you are the only one doing anything. There are many,
many people who have a lot invested in the North Side and they were there long before y
ou arrived on the scene.
CitizenInYO:
I'm sorry if that's the perception you have of me, based upon my posts on this message
board. So far, you are the only person who has expressed this opinion- and I have been
posting on this board for months and months.
I think it's absolutely WONDERFUL that you are working on restoring an old, historic home
as well - and I wish you EVERY success in your efforts to do so - in fact, I APPLAUD your
efforts.
I readily recognize, and ACKNOWLEDGE - that YES, others are - and have been -
working to better the North Side. This is one of the reasons I joined the North
Side Citizen's Coalition - to try and contribute to their efforts.
Yes, I acknowledge that others have been doing their part LONG BEFORE I got started
(last June in my case, actually). I applaud ANY person who is trying to do ANYTHING
to help the city of Youngstown and the Mahoning Valley in general , regardless of WHAT
part of the city/county they reside in.
It was not my intent to try and put myself on some kind of "pedestal", I
thought I was merely makeing some clearly worded statements of what
my intentions are with regard to my old neighborhood. So If the wording of
my messages rubs you the wrong way,
I APOLOGIZE
Allan
:)